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J and J Auto
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10/24/2003
17:07:12
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 Subject: Steven, Amsoil Diff
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Hey I was running the org turbo 10-30 in my truck
about a month ago we did a quick dent repair on
the local Amsoil guys truck and he was so happy
to get his fender bender repaired he gave me
a case of XL7500 10-30.
I just changed to the XL about 800 miles ago.
I know its only rated for 7500 but I am going to run
6000 and see how it does over the turbo blend.
What is the actual difference in the oils
Thanks
Larry
J&J Auto
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DakotaEnthusiast
10/24/2003
20:27:53
|  Amsoil XL-7500 vs. Full Synthetic, API, Warranty
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Larry,
Quick Answer:
Amsoil XL-7500 is a Group III (definition below) Hydrocracked Synthetic Base Oil, API Certified, formulated for the Quickie Lubes (and for those afraid of a non-API motor Oil) --- rated for 7500 miles between changes
All other Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils are FULL SYNTHETIC --- Group IV / Group V (definition below) Full Synthetic Base Oil, PAO --- Extended Drain Synthetic Oils
Note: Amsoil XL-7500 is a fine motor oil and I encourage you to use it (since it was bartered). The difference in price is pennies so the XL-7500 is not my preferred choice, and I would suggest switching back when you order your next case.
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Motor Oil Base Oil Categories And Definitions:
Group III -- Manufacturing Method --Hydroprocessing and Refining.
Group III base oils are subjected to the highest level of mineral oil refining of the base oil groups. Although they are not chemically engineered, they offer good performance in a wide range of attributes as well as good molecular uniformity and stability. They are commonly mixed with additives and marketed as synthetic or semi-synthetic products. Group III base oil products have become more common in America during the past decade.
Group IV -- Manufacturing Method -- Chemical Reactions
Group IV base oils are chemically engineered synthetic base stocks. Polyalphaolefins (PAOs) are a common example of a synthetic base stock. Synthetics, when combined with additives, offer excellent performance over a wide range of lubricating properties. They have very stable chemical compositions and highly uniform molecular chains. Group IV base oils are becoming more common in synthetic and synthetic-blend products for automotive and industrial applications.
Group V -- Manufacturing Method -- As Indicated
Group V base oils are used primarily in the creation of oil additives. Esters and polyolesters are both common Group V base oils used in the formulation of oil additives. Group V oils exhibit a wide variety of properties specific to each individual oil's formulation. Group V base oils are generally not used as base oils themselves, but add beneficial properties to other base oils.
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The longer answer:
The 5W-30 (XLF), 5W-20 (XLM) or 10W-30 (XLT) XL-7500 or our 15W-40 (PCO) are API licensed oils for the Quickie Lubes and those afraid of non-API motor oils. If you are looking for an alternative to frequent oil changes or just want the best performing synthetic motor oil for your truck, then one of our top tier non-API licensed synthetic oils are are recommended.
API Licensing - Passenger Vehicles - What is it?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the MINIMUM performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench, physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected and MINIMUM performance standards were set by the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
Costs
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through or requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average. (That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.) Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the MINIMUM requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
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Why Some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils Are API Licensed And Some Are Not
1. Full API licensing puts AMSOIL INC. in an inflexible position. Not only would we find it necessary to buy formula components from specific vendors and be at the mercy of their pricing, we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and the associated costs. To solve this problem, the API must establish basestock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks just as they have for other basestocks, as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components too.
2. Full API licensing would impose strict phosphorous limitations on our motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or Noack volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
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Warranties And API Licensed Motor Oils
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny to fix your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will find against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans. If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement.
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Larry, I hope this answered your question.
Thanks for all the FREE advice you give here on DD.com.
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Anyone interested in requesting a FREE Amsoil Catalog, Click Below:
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Conclusion
AMSOIL takes pride in never having conformed to industry norms or standards when those standards are contrary to peak performance. We introduced synthetics to the automotive world in 1972 with the first synthetic motor oil to exceed API performance specifications. At that time other manufacturers refused to recognize the superior performance of synthetic motor oils. Now, however, most companies sell synthetic lubricants, vehicles are factory filled with synthetic motor oils and gear lubes, and some manufacturers even offer extended warranties if you use synthetics. AMSOIL has always offered extended drain intervals because the oil was capable of performing for extended drains, and it was the right thing to do for the consumer. Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. Ironically, it was recently published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future because that's what consumers want.
AMSOIL is a company of firsts. That doesn't happen by always conforming to industry norms and standards.
API licensing of lubricants is voluntary, and it ensures automobile manufacturers and consumers that the product meets a set of MINIMUM standards. Should these standards, in the future, be raised to a level consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil performance, AMSOIL will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel pressured to use an API licensed product, we have Amsoil XL-7500 and encourage you to use it. AMSOIL does offer better performing motor oils --- that are not API licensed for the reasons explained in this response. They provide our customers with alternatives to the commodity products typically available in the market today. If you want the convenience of extended drain intervals or the top performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has taken time to engineer the very best money can buy.
Thank You, and let me know if I can be of service.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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J and J Auto
GenII
10/24/2003
20:55:24
| RE: Steven, Amsoil Diff
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Thanks Steve
I will go back to the Organal 10-30 Turbo after
3000 miles, wish I would have known that but
I guess it will not hurt to run it this time.
I wondered about the oil, It seamed thinner and
my presure was a little lower.
Wait untill I see this guy, I am going to ask him
to trade me the 7 Qts I have left for what I
normaly use.
If I would have known I would have not used it
but he did not have a case of turbo in his truck
and free was a good price
Larry
J&J Auto
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Slick fishin
Dodge Dakota
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10/25/2003
02:49:08
| RE: Steven, Amsoil Diff
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Hello there Larry I guess Amsoil sponsor pretty much said it all but here is what I like to use..
I run series 2000 2 cycle racing oil in my 200hp Mercury outboard since it was new two years ago and have ad no problem with it at all.. I run my boat pretty hard and it has held up great..
I just started runing series 2000 ow-30 in my new truck and I only have 3500 miles on the truck with 2000 of it being with Amsoil oil so I cant give you an opion on on how it is doing yet but the distributer I deal with says this is the best motor oil they carry..
They say you can run 30.000 miles before you have to change the oil as long as you change the flter every 10.000 miles..
I dont think I can run that many miles before I change the oil but I do know this stuff has been good for me so far.. Well just my two cents Cya Slick
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Slick fishin
Dodge Dakota
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10/25/2003
10:48:15
| RE: Steven, Amsoil Diff
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Larry I forgot to mention that the series 2000 ow-30 is a racing oil.. Just tought I would tell you that.. Cya Slick
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