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S. Hardy
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9/27/2003
21:42:01
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I just recently changed the pads and had the rotors turned on the front. (99 SLT 3.9 ABS 50k)
After I drove the truck a few miles, the brakes would start to vibrate, not squeal but vibrate the whole truck. It got real bad.
So I take the pads back and get the best brake pads they have, Albany is what they had.
After installing them I got about 500 miles on them and there starting to do the same thing again. They vibrate after there warm and when I turn.
Last night after driving through the rain they stopped doing it, until today after driving about 20 miles they start up again.
Before you say it, yes there installed correctly. Right on right, left on left with the anti-rattle springs pointed in the right direction. Also used anti-squeal compound and no I didn't get any on the brake face of the pad. Also the calipers move easily.
I'm at a loss as to what's wrong. Any break experts out there with an answer?
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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9/27/2003
22:06:37
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i would check the runout on the rotors again. they might still not be square which would cause the vibration when they warm up.
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jaymes
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2003
22:45:52
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i agree with daddio.sounds like warped rotors. have your rotors machined.about 20 bucks each.
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GB2000
Dodge Dakota
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9/29/2003
07:06:39
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I wouldn't worry about it... who needs brakes anyway? :)
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J and J Auto
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9/29/2003
10:22:38
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Do you have any play in the wheel bearing.
Take a torque wrench and torque the lug nuts all
the same.
Some times the rotors will get runout after
cutting when tightened unevenly
Did you knock a balancing weight off the wheel
when you did the brakes.
is it a vibration or just a rattle
Larry
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Marc
Dodge Dakota
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9/29/2003
17:25:16
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I GOT IT!!!
I had the exact same problem with my truck after i did the balljoints. The anti-rattle spring (that long spring on the outboard pad) is installed incorrectly. It had to be pressing agiainst the knuckle NOT on the outside of the knuckle. Have a look and you'll see what i mean
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S. Hardy
Dodge Dakota
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9/29/2003
17:33:11
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It's a vibration that's coming from the front brakes.
I had the rotors turned. Lug nuts torqued.
When it does it, it's mostly when I'm turning sometimes going straight. I can apply just the slightest brake pressure, I mean just touch the pedal and it smoothes right out.
Sometimes it can get real violent and other times nothing.
I'm gonna recheck the runout tonight.
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S. Hardy
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9/29/2003
17:46:41
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One other thing I have a low break pedal that goes past the gas pedal before I get braking action. It's a solid feel but too low for my likes.
I've read in other post of people complaining about the same thing. I figure it's just a Dodge thing. Or could it be the free travel of the brake pedal? My manual doesn't say anything about.
Also the brake pads will have an air gap between them and the rotors after releasing the pedal. I figure that has something to do with the low pedal feel.
I'll have to get out my feeler gauges and measure the gap and post it.
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Montag
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9/29/2003
19:33:04
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Well, the low pedal might be the rear brakes being out of adjustment. Jack the back end up so that both wheels are off the ground and have the truck in neutral. Spin the wheels by hand, if they will spin for more than one and a half turns after you let go then the brakes need to be adjusted out.
As far as the vibration you might need new rotors or you might have a wheel bearing out. My 79 power wagon had that problem.
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S. Hardy
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9/29/2003
20:10:44
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Marc was right I had the springs on the wrong side of the knukle.
I'll be checking the rear brakes tomarrow.
Today I'm happy.
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J and J Auto
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9/29/2003
20:29:56
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S. Hardy
LOL, must be the old age creeping up on ya,
Like I do make a mental note of how clips go back
in. just come up with something to make you
remember how they were in.
Arc up arc down, this to inside or outside or
anything to remember how they were in.
Every make and model has something differant on
the front brakes trying to figure how some of
the anti rattle or retaing clips go on can be
a mind bogler.
There shold be very little gap between rotors and
pads. usualy its the back brakes that give you a
low pedal
some do not even have the metal knocked out to
adjust them you either have to remove the drum
to adjust, hard to do if there is any wear on
the drum. or knock out the acces hole and get
a rubber plug for it.
Larry
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S. Hardy
Dodge Dakota
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9/30/2003
18:07:15
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Well putting the springs on the right way even helped the low brake pedal.
After I got the springs on the right side of the knuckle I noticed that the caliper angle changed in relation to the rotor.
About a week before I did that brake job I had done my daughters on her Tempo, it was almost identical to the Dakota except the springs went on top. That's probable what screwed me up.
Either that or maybe a few less beers before working on brakes:)
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K. Riggs
Dodge Dakota
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10/30/2003
12:14:03
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I'm glad I decided to check this forum out as well as check the factory manual (I work in a library- have it handy). Anyway, I replaced my pads on my 99 Dak and have lost sleep trying to figure out what is causing this intermittent shuddering that stops completely when the brakes are applied. After scouring this forum I found this thread, then checked the manual and found an illustration of how that clip is supposed to sit. I am 99% sure that I have the clips on wrong, and if that is the case and the problem is gone, I'll be one happy camper! P.S. I saw many times on this forum and it happened to me; when I removed the guides pins I had one of the pins get stripped and also stripped out the hole in the spindle. Once again this forum saved my a** by telling me to use a helicoil thread repair kit and what size to use. Thanks again for all the good info people share on here!
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K. Riggs
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10/31/2003
09:49:52
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Yep, having the clips of the outboard pad on the outside instead of the inside was the problem. I'm so glad I found this info on here. Prior to doing the brakes I had one of the link pins between the sway bar and the lower control arm snap, and since I needed my truck back in a hurry I took it to the Firestone I worked at years ago. They were the ones that warned me that the pads were really thin and do it as soon as possible. So they replaced both pins and I had them rotate the tires. All of these things made figuring out what was causing the vibration and shuddering a nightmare, cause I was trying to take into account all of these changes. Once again, I'm grateful to have found this forum and minimized my cost and aggravation in getting my Dak in tip top shape.
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