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scott
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9/27/2003
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on a 00Dak 3.9 automatic,all my local tranny guys are saying to use lubeguard "black" with regular mercon/dexron fluid,instead of using ATF+3. also, they recommend removing the check valve from the cooler lines,saying it can cause reduction of cooler efficiency due to restricting the flow. the label on lubeguard states that it fortifies the mercon with highly modified friction reducers,giving it the same or better protection than +3or+4 fluids...anyone know anything about this potion? anyone have any do's or donts for the check valve?
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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9/27/2003
01:21:38
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forgot, they say the check valve was installed due to earlier Daks having a problem with the fluid draining back to the pan, causing trans to not work right when cold.
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J and J Auto
GenII
9/27/2003
10:55:56
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Scott,
Mopar recomends +4 in the older tranies also.
The +3 was a parcial synthetic and the +4 is all
synthetic now.
I would not remove the check valve it is there
for a reason. Some of the additives do help but
if your trans is in good condition there is no
reason to use them.
I have been using the Amsoil universal synthetic
in all the tranies when I do fluid and filter
changes and have had no complaints people and
myself have noticed that they operate smother
with the Amsoil
Use Amsoil or the +4 they are both about the same
price so the choice is yours.
Redline is also a good fluid
All the aditives are is a micro lube that will
help sticky valves and clutch packs that hang up
not needed in a good trans
Larry
J&J Auto
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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9/27/2003
12:46:23
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will amsoil mix with the conventional fluid left from doing a pan drop/filter change?
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9/27/2003
13:43:35
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If you have followed the Chrysler transmission problems (and their attempts to correct them) you may recall that they went from the ATF+/MS-7176B fluid to the current ATF+4 in the span of about 10 years. Rather than recall a bunch of transmissions that had "shuddering" problems, they worked with various friction modifiers in an attempt to find a chemical solution. It almost seemed like they were taking a hit or miss approach. From personal experience I can tell you the latest ATF+4 fluid has largely solved the shuddering issue. This shuddering is due to a very rapid "stick/slip" condition as the clutch plates begin to engage. It typically occurs as the transmission is upshifting from 3rd to 4th under light to medium throttle settings @ 35-45 mph. The key to solving it is tailoring the AFT properties to work correctly in the transition phase from slipping to complete clutch lockup.
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9/27/2003
13:56:56
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For the flamers that think the concept of "universal" atf is bogus ... I show you the following two pictures:
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followed by this: (their bottle lists multiple standards as well):
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I simply posted the two pictures so that you can see
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... and in the real world.
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J and J Auto
GenII
9/27/2003
17:06:55
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will amsoil mix with the conventional fluid left from doing a pan drop/filter change?
Yes it will work fine with the remaining fluid.
You will only get about 50% 6 quarts with a fluid
and filter change
As steven shows you above some fluids are a blend
of both and there is no harm doing this some
people mix 50/50 on purpose to gain the benifit
of sythetic for less money
Larry
J&J Auto
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9/27/2003
19:31:47
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Scott,
I guess I was typing when you asked your question, and thanks Larry for answering it.
Amsoil's Synthetic Universal ATF is 100% compatible with Mopar ATF so you would have no problem mixing. But why would you use Amsoil ATF when just dropping the pan? IMHO, That defeats the purpose of switching to synthetic. Since you're dropping the pan you're only dumping 50% of your fluid so when you top it off with Amsoil it's just gonna mix in with the old fluid and you won't get the full benefits of Synthetic ATF. I would suggest that you do a complete flush when switching to Amsoil Synthetic Universal Synthetic ATF.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Tazzy
GenIII
9/27/2003
19:32:41
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Thinking of puttin in "transgo"
Right now the tranny does'nt feel right..
after hard braking,it hunts for a gear for a sec..
feels like it slips..revs up a sec then revs follow trans....
only 28k on it...
will the "transgo" help me out...
Don't want to have to rebuild or replace soon..
42RE Trans
Brass Cap& Rotor
K&N Drop in
Relocated IAT
MSD6a
Bullet Muffler
TPS mod
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Tazzy
GenIII
9/27/2003
20:13:34
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After some searching..I found that "dextron fluid" was put in during the flush and fill..
Going back monday..have then use the correct fluid..
Brass Cap& Rotor
K&N Drop in
Relocated IAT
MSD6a
Bullet Muffler
TPS mod
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Scott
Dodge Dakota
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9/27/2003
23:32:49
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Steven and Larry
Let me take a moment to thank you both for your input.the both of you seem to have immense knowledge, and i for one, do appreciate your taking the time to answer everything passed your way.myself being in management for a retail parts company (not the "Zone") i know how frustrating it is to answer the same q's over and over again. Truly, i dont claim to know all, and i have found the knowledge that the two of you share with the masses on this forum very beneficial. thanks again guys..glad to have your help.
Scott
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J and J Auto
GenII
9/28/2003
10:34:08
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Tazzy
Chrysler used to recomend +3 but now they recomend
+4 where the 3 was used.
I would also be pissed if they used a fluid that
was not recomended for thr trans.
The shift kit will help a lot and is not that
hard to install just takes time and is messy
the TransGo kit even comes with a VHS vidio to
watch
Larry
J&J Auto
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Tazzy
GenIII
9/28/2003
14:31:28
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Just had the "dexron" removed..and "pennzoil multi..ATF" put in..
reset the PCM..and on my way home tranny felt better..
Also just checked the Fluid no more FOAM..
Tommorrow "Florida Quick Lube" will get an ear full from me..
I want them to Re-inburse me for the wrong fluid installed..and have them pay for the right fluid to be installed...
Yes I'm pissed at them...lol
Brass Cap& Rotor
K&N Drop in
Relocated IAT
MSD6a
Bullet Muffler
TPS mod
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2003
18:27:15
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tazzy i live in the florida panhandle, and all the transmission shops here use dexron3 fluid, with additives such as lubeguard black to "fortify" the fluid, and bring it up to spec for +3&4 ATF. cant say for sure thats what happened to you, but if it is, no harm done.
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xmr
Gen I
9/28/2003
19:30:15
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Since i don't have a lift I hate changing my own tansmission fluid and filter. Now after reading this on the board I guess I am going to have to tough it out. On my last change the station put in Costal Dextrom lll. When I asked, they said that was what it was susposed to have. So much for that. Larry - Thanks for your sugestion on getting rid of the rattle. When I pulled the sway bar off I found that the upper bushing on the passenger side was shot. Napa did not have any in stock so I replaced the top bushings on each side with bushings and washers that came off of the front shocks when I changed them. Seems to work fine but I guess that I will install the link kit when I get time.
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Tazzy
GenIII
9/28/2003
21:18:25
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As far as the,Lubeguard..I just looked at my reciept..And no mention of any "fortifier"
Brass Cap& Rotor
K&N Drop in
Relocated IAT
MSD6a
Bullet Muffler
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UhOh
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2003
21:23:25
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Using Dexron or Mercon fluid in a Chrysler transmission will destroy the clutches and cause all sorts of slipping and shuddering.
If you've ever allowed anyone to use GM or Ford fluid in your Dakota, no amount of snake oil in the world can fix that. It's rebuild time.
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dgunn
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2003
21:37:14
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Just brought home my new 99 dakota with 89,000 mi. After 35 miles of interstate travel the trans began to upshift/downshift on its own. Maybe OD kicking in and out. 3.9L 3spd wth OD steady speed (60mph) even grade. Any ideas?
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2003
21:49:00
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regarding uhoh
every trans shop in town uses that lubeguard potion,no failures yet..i certainly hope you are wrong,since my slushbox is now dosed down according to label directions. will keep ya'll posted on my luck
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