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dodge9800
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9/25/2003
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i have a 98 dakota sport with 56,000 mi.on it. i want to switch over to synthetic oil. does it make a difference what brand i choose? and is it worth the cost? what do u guys use?
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9/25/2003
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Let me shock the "flamers" by being the first to say Mobil1.
Now let me state that Amsoil is a better oil with better base oils and additive packages.
There is a difference in cost.
Amsoil is formulated for extended drain. You can extend your drain intervals up to 2 - 3 times manufacturers recommendations. NO ... I am not crazy. Redline recently published a report acknowledging that "some" synthetic oils are capable of 25,000 mile oil change intervals, but they do not recommend it with their oils. Too bad they did not mention that Amsoil is capable of 25,000 mile oil changes (with oil analysis), but of course they did not want to mention the name of their competition.
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9/25/2003
10:21:29
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To clarify my above post ... I do not use Mobil1.
Of course I use Amsoil.
I simply know that most visitors to this site (and within the general public) prefer to use what is convenient at WalMart, and the majority of posts will say they use Mobil1.
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TuckerLudlow
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9/25/2003
11:15:25
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Mobil-1 right now, but I'll be contacting Steve in a few thousand miles and put AMSOIL in it.
I may have gotten a couple tenths of a MPG with Mobil-1, but then the truck needs plugs, wires, etc., that it will also get in a few thousand.
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IndyDak02
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9/25/2003
11:34:33
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Well, you can do a forum search for synthetic oil and get dozens of listings of posts on this site. My last change was the quickie lube and they filled with Castrol. I've learned since that Castrol is a fake synthetic and their marketing department came up with SynTech so that we would think it was a superior synthetic. I've read many of the amsoil posts on this site and have learned a lot. At the 3k mile mark on my Castrol I'm switching to amsoil too.
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wallyw
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9/25/2003
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wally world $ 2.97 per quart and $ 1.97 for a filter
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K-Dak
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9/26/2003
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What is the average oil change when using Mobil 1.
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jeremy
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9/26/2003
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LOL indydak. You might be the only one that they tricked. You gotta read the cover man. It's right on there.
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12/18/2003
20:21:31
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API Comparative Motor Oil Testing
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil (ATM) and 10 competing conventional and synthetic10W-30 motor oils were subjected to a series of API motor oil tests. The competing oils included petroleum-based Castro GTX Drive Hard, Mobil Drive Clean, Pennzoil with Purebase, Quaker State Peak Performance and Valvoline, as well as synthetic-based Valvoline Synpower, Quaker State, Castrol Syntec, Pennzoil and Mobil SuperSyn Multi-Vehicle.
Seven API tests were run on the motor oils. The Thin-Film Oxygen Uptake Test (TFOUT) measures the oxidation stability of engine oils. The High Temperature/High Shear Test (HTHS) measures a lubricant's viscosity under severe operating conditions. The NOACK Volatility Test measures the evaporation loss of oils in high temperature service. Pour Point indicates the lowest temperature at which a fluid will flow. Total Base Number (TBN) is the measurement of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity for combating acids. The Cold Cranking Simulator Test (CCS) measures a lubricant's viscosity at low temperatures and high shear rates. The Four-Ball Wear Test measures a lubricant's wear protection properties. The impressive test results show AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil outperformed the competitors in each test.
Thin-Film Oxygen Uptake (ASTMD-4742)
The Thin-Film Oxygen Uptake Test evaluates the oxidation stability of lubricating oils. A mixture of the test oil and chemistries found in gasoline engine operation (oxidized/nitrated fuel, soluble metals and distilled water) are placed in a test vessel, which is pressurized with oxygen and placed in a heated bath. Anti-oxidant breakdown is evident when the oxygen pressure in the vessel rapidly decreases. At this point, the induction time (break point) of the oil is recorded. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil had the highest induction time of all the tested oils. In fact, it didn't reach its break point in over 500 minutes of testing.
The superior oxidation stability of AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil allows it to effectively resist the formation of engine deposits and sludge, keeping engines running clean and efficient and extending oil life. It also resists thickening, maintaining its superior wear protection and lubricating properties and maximizing fuel efficiency.
High Temperature/High Shear (ASTM D-4683)
The High Temperature/High Shear Test measures a lubricant's viscosity under severe hightemperature and shear conditions that resemble highly-loaded journal bearings in fired internal combustion engines. In order to prevent bearing wear, it is important for a lubricant to maintain its protective viscosity under severe operating conditions. The minimum High Temperature/High Shear viscosity for a 30 weight oil is 2.9 cP. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil surpasses this minimum standard and displayed the highest High Temperature/High Shear viscosity in the group.
The superior viscosity retention of AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil in the face of severe temperature and shear conditions allows it to provide continuous, unsurpassed protection for engine bearings, extending equipment life and preventing wear.
NOACK Volatility (ASTM D-5800)
The NOACK Volatility Test determines the evaporation loss of lubricants in high temperature service. The more motor oils vaporize, the thicker and heavier they become, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy and increased oil consumption, wear and emissions. A maximum of 15 percent evaporation loss is allowable to meet API SL and ILSAC GF-3 specifications. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil outperformed its nearest competitor by over 30 percent.
The extremely low volatility of AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil allows it to maintain its superior protective and performance qualities throughout extended drain intervals, even when faced with severe operating temperatures. In addition, oil consumption and emissions are minimized and fuel efficiency is maximized.
Pour Point (ASTM D-97)
The Pour Point Test determines the lowest temperature at which a lubricant will flow when cooled under prescribed conditions. The lower a lubricant's pour point, the better protection it provides in low temperature service. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil has the lowest pour point of the tested oils.
The low pour point of AMSOIL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil allows it to maintain its fluidity in extremely low temperatures, reducing drag on moving vehicle parts, providing critical engine components with quick, essential lubrication and easing startup in cold temperatures. Wear is greatly reduced and equipment life is extended.
Total Base Number (ASTM D-2896)
Total Base Number (TBN) is the measurement of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity, which aids in the control of acids formed during the combustion process. The higher a motor oil's TBN, the more effective it is in suspending wear-causing contaminants and reducing the corrosive effects of acids over an extended period of time. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil has the highest TBN of the tested oils.
The high TBN of AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil allows it to effectively combat wear-causing contaminants and acids, providing superior protection and performance over extended drain intervals.
Cold Crank Simulator (ASTM D-5293)
The Cold Crank Simulator Test determines the apparent viscosity of lubricants at low temperatures and high shear rates. Viscosity of lubricants under these conditions is directly related to engine cranking and startability. The lower a lubricant's cold crank viscosity, the easier an engine will turn over in cold temperatures. 10W motor oils are tested at -25°C and must have a viscosity below 7000 cP to pass. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil is well below the maximum requirement, while many of the competing oils barely pass.
The low cold crank viscosity of AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil reduces drag on moving engine parts and allows engines to achieve critical cranking speed in extremely frigid temperatures. Engines turn over quickly and dependably in the coldest winter temperatures.
Four Ball Wear (ASTM D-4172)
The Four Ball Wear Test determines the wear protection properties of a lubricant. Three metal balls are clamped together and covered with the test lubricant, while a rotating fourth ball is pressed against them in sliding contact. This contact typically produces a wear scar, which is measured and recorded. The smaller the average wear scar, the better the wear protection provided by the lubricant. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil produced the smallest wear scar of the tested lubricants.
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil provides unsurpassed protection against engine wear. Equipment life is extended, and repairs, downtime and expenses are reduced.
AMSOIL INC.has been the leader in synthetic motor oil formulationsince its introduction of the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil in 1972. By specializing exclusively in the synthetic lubricant technology, AMSOIL is able to optimize the most advanced chemistries available. The "Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated" designation displayed on AMSOIL packaging indicates that the oils are formulated with Polyalphaolefin (PAO) synthetic base stocks. This chemistry is the industry's premier base stock technology. Unlike conventional mineral-based chemistries, AMSOIL PAO base stocks contain fullysaturated, hydrogenated molecules and are free of wax and other impurities. Combined with an exact balance of premium additives, itdelivers superior hot and cold temperature performance, resists oxidation and acid formation and provides long-term wear protection. AMSOIL "General Synthetic PAO Formulated" oils have shattered the parameters of the most rigorous industry testing and set the standard for all other motor oils.
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Robert
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12/19/2003
14:25:00
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Been using Mobil 1 since it was released in a round metal can years ago.
Can't get past the pyramid sales scheme Amsoil uses to sell its product. Kinda like Amway!
Don't mean to offend the Amsoil guy. Had to get it off my chest.
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J and J Auto
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12/20/2003
01:08:32
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All that being said I still like my Amsoil
I use it on everything
engine
T case
trans
rears
and grease with the syn with molly
Have no complaints
Larry
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12/21/2003
11:31:01
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First ... Thanks Larry!
Second ... for Robert,
As for MLM's (your so-called Amway type pyramid schemes/scams) ... Well, again, there isn't anything wrong with this as most companies are a network of people that take the money from the bottom people who do the work and rolls it back up to the top, each level is getting their portion and usually the guy on top makes the most. This is common in any and every company. If most companies would follow such a program (performance based) you'd be surprised as to how many would really put an effort into really working instead of expecting that paycheck just for showing up.
That's the neat thing about MLM's, as it can offer the ones that work ... an unlimited amount of income based on their performance. Not everyone should be in a program such as this because many cannot focus on selling and are better suited as a production person (clock-in clock-out) and IMHO ... they DO deserve their share because if not for them there would be no product to sell. So, is MLM bad?, I don't think so. Every company is an MLM of sorts.
FOR THE RECORD, Amsoil was started 30 years ago as an MLM because they did not have the advertising budgets to compete with the "big guys". I'm certain that if they were starting the company today ... what with easier access to capital (Venture Capital and the Stock Market) they might do it differently. However, they can't change their stripes now ... thousands of Amsoil Independent Representatives would loose their sole income or their second income ... and who says they want to. I think Amsoil is quite happy with 5% of the market that appreciates a superior product.
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Robert
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12/21/2003
18:16:32
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Well, I certainly have no problem with capitalism.
However, Royal Purple is enjoying sales growth through grass roots style marketing.
http://www.royalpurple.com/arta/arta.html
Check out that link for results obtained from true independent testing. I like these kinda results. Not ones provided by Amsoil and paid for by Amsoil.
Please, do not tell me because of advertising. They take a 1/4 page add per month, less than your monthly commission check.
True, I like M-1, however, I'm also open to new producers such as Royal Purple. I use their gear lube and will start using their engine oil.
Amsoil publishes their results from independent labs they hire.
Tell your Honcho's to offer Hot Rod, Car Craft or some reputable engine builder a dyno shootout.
Then, I'll take interest.
How many people can afford to use a product and wait years to see if the results are true?
I KNOW Mobil 1 performs from 20 years of usage. ('86 2.3 Mustang - 186K miles [4 speed,no od] drainplug removed once to put in the M-1. Every 3k miles, new filter and 1qt oil). And you know how these engines had reputations for wasting camshafts.
I started with Mobil 1 since they were really the only commercially available sythetic. I listen to independent testing and will consider alternatives, from idependent sources.
Enjoy!
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ed
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12/21/2003
21:10:20
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Well, I use Mobil 1, it has been good so far, my friend used AMSOIL in his 99 toyota tacoma and put 150,000 miles on it until this thanksgiving when it was totaled (hit a DODGE RAM head on, Ram is getting repaired). He changed his oil less than I did, his motor never gave him any problems, and he swears by it. I am considering switching, but have not recieved my AMSOIL catalog yet.
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Robert
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12/22/2003
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I'm not slamming Amsoil, just pointing out the way I think... thats what these discussions are all about.
Most of us don't have the means to swap all fluids from different manufacturers and dyno test them. We also can't flog engines on dynos then disassemble them and measure clearances. This is why I try to read objective, 3rd party material to guide my decisions.
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12/22/2003
08:43:46
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I would like to quote an old friend that used to visit this site regularly:
Sandman stated:
"I will start buy saying that I am a firm beliver in synthetic oils and only use them now. With this said I will also say that alot of cars have made it 200,000-400,000 miles on regular oil and 3000 mile oil and filter changes. The thing is they are usualy on their last leg at this point. They are usualy burning alot of oil and need to be rebuilt. ----- If ever you have torn down most engines with 100,000 miles on them they have alot of slude and varnish. The gaskets tend to stick together. When you tear an engine that has been run on synthetic oil apart the gaskets almost never stick together and all parts can be cleaned with a damp rag no wire wheels, or putty knifes needed. Synthetics make it easier to extend the life of your vechile. If you abuse your truck synthetics help to lessen the damage you do to it."
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There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc., ...including here at DodgeDakotas.com, so I will keep this simple and to the point.
I will also keep it pleasant as many posts are borderline hostile.
AMSOIL has 25 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe) ... because that's what consumers want.
Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil. Longer intervals = less oil used.
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... and let me quote one other WELL RESPECTED
member of www.DodgeDakotas.com ...
Larry of J&J Auto states (and I quote):
"All that being said I still like my Amsoil
I use it on everything
engine
T case
trans
rears
and grease with the syn with molly
Have no complaints
Larry
J&J Auto
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12/22/2003
09:14:22
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Robert,
Agree ... It is sometimes best to let someone else do the talking:
From a VERY WELL RESPECTED Industry Trade Magazine:
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(David McFall's column on AMSOIL, reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes)
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AMSOIL Applauded for Extended Drain Technology
AMSOIL founder A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals. Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles.
Today, motorists are still bombarded with propaganda from the major oil companies promoting 3,000-mile oil changes. However, the industry is slowly but surely coming around. Vehicle manufacturers typically suggest 5,000- to 7,500-mile intervals in their owners manuals, and many manufacturers have also started incorporating oil life monitors into their vehicles, allowing motorists to safely extend drain intervals by monitoring oil life and alerting drivers when the oil needs changing. Competing oil companies have also begun marketing their own synthetics, some claiming service lives extending beyond 3,000 miles.
Lubes-n-Greases Automotive Editor David McFall, once with the American Petroleum Institute recently tackled the issue of extended drain intervals in his March column, criticizing the standard 3,000-mile oil change and referring to the American motor oil market as "shackled".
"In Europe the average engine oil drain interval for current gasoline-fueled cars is about 10,000 miles," explains McFall. "In the United States, indicates the Automotive Oil Change Association, the average drain interval followed by most drivers is somewhat less than 5,000 miles, one-half of Europe's.
"Every year in the United States, this "too-short" drain interval results in the unneeded production of 300 million to 400 million gallons of engine oil; excess consumer expenditures of around $1.5 billion; and tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes."
Not only are these unnecessary oil changes an expense to consumers, explains McFall, but they have an environmental cost as well. "The added environmental cost of having an average 5,000-mile oil drain interval (instead of 10,000 miles, as in Europe) may be nearly 100 million gallons of engine oil being dumped, untreated, into the U.S. environment annually."
McFall's examination of Mobil 1, Shell and AMSOIL demonstrates the differences among companies who are shackled to the current system and one who isn't.
According to an ExxonMobil spokesperson, "Car owners should follow the oil change intervals specified by the manufacturer. We believe it is inappropriate to recommend drain intervals that may conflict with those set forth by the car manufacturer's specifications."
"Here, in a nutshell," says McFall, "is this observer's take on ExxonMobil's and the oil industry's 'owner's manual' position: It is designed solely to increase motor oil sales." He backs it up by mentioning that Mobil 1 SuperSyn motor oil claims to meet European ACEA A5 and B5-02 specifications, two specifications intended to extend oil drain intervals. "If the oil can be used in Europe for extended drain intervals, why doesn't ExxonMobil notify U.S. consumers of that capability?" asks McFall.
Although Shell Oil Products, owner of Pennzoil-Quaker State, has broken through the shackles enough to offer an API unlicensed oil specially formulated for higher mileage engines, they make no mention of a recommended drain interval, preferring instead to avoid the issue and keep consumers in the dark.
McFall marvels at the success of the independent motor oil company that offers drain intervals up to 11 times longer than the standard interval offered by conventional oils, saying, "Purists can sniff that AMSOIL's data isn't derived from a controlled field study, but the sheer mountain of vehicle miles over three decades, and the absence of any confirmed performance, wear or maintenance issues, speaks volumes."
McFall sums up his column by highlighting the true value of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, stating the cost may be "two to three times higher than most retail conventional oils but if you can securely count on a 15,000- to 25,000-mile drain interval, it's a flat-out bargain, not to mention providing a clear environmental bonus."
So, what is it that allows AMSOIL motor oils to be used for extended drain intervals, while other oils must be changed significantly sooner? First, the synthetic base stocks with which AMSOIL motor oils are formulated are worlds apart in quality compared with conventional base stocks. The synthetic molecules are uniform in size and shape, resisting the vaporization that boils off the smaller molecules of conventional motor oils and leaves behind a thicker, higher viscosity oil that compromises engine protection. AMSOIL motor oils surpass even the most stringent European volatility standards, providing superior protection for extended drain intervals.
Second, AMSOIL spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming.
By using only the highest quality synthetic base stocks and additives available, AMSOIL motor oils are capable of extended drain intervals, all while maintaining performance, providing long-term wear protection and fuel economy, keeping engines clean and deposit-free, providing cold weather starts and protecting against rust and corrosion.
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Robert
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12/22/2003
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Steve,
Again, I am not slamming Amsoil. We all have our preferences. I have read more literature concerning synthetics than I care to admit. Just like you.
I agree about the oil change intervals pushed by the Jiffy Lubes' of the country. Obviously, pure profit.
Do you remember the original Mobil 1 Can that suggested 25K mile oil changes? That was around the late 1970's if I recall. Synthetics simply do not wear out compared to conventionals. That label went away by the way of oil change franchises and factory fill in Corvettes, Turbo Shelby's and manufacturer pressure et al.
I think what really did it in was camshaft failures of the 70's and 80's not related to lubrication but from poor metalurgy. (Ford 2.0L, Chevy 5.0 and 5.7 and MBenz.)
You can throw all of the propaganda that Amsoil can generate, however, let see heads-up comparisons from 3rd parties, not editors (McFall) of trade rags.
Your turn. Respectfully.
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12/22/2003
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Sorry Robert,
... but "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine ... is The Lubrication Industry's MOST HIGHLY RESPECTED Trade Magazine.
Sorry, but I can't find a better recommendation than that.
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12/22/2003
18:29:15
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..... and I would like to point out ...
The above referenced column on AMSOIL, ... reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, was written in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes ... using Amsoil Extended Drain Synthetic Oils and Lubricants.
Everyone can do their part to conserve valuable resources and protect the environment --- fewer oil changes = less imported oil = less used oil to dispose of = less pollution = etc., etc., etc.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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DakotaEnthusiast
12/23/2003
06:59:49
| Amsoil Synthetic Oil 25k Drain Interval
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Robert --- You asked,
Do you remember the original Mobil1 Can that suggested 25K mile oil changes?
I was very young but I do remember.
Unlike Amsoil (at the very same time) ... Mobil marketed a "dino" oil ... and if Mobil1 pushed the 25k interval oil it would cut into the sales of their "dino" oil . Read below as to why they did not want this scenario:
Consider this:
5 quarts of (extended drain) Mobil1, changed every 25K miles =
$5 a quart x 25 quarts = $125 over a 5 year period.
..... $125 retail sale for Mobil1
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5 quarts of (regular dino) Mobil1, changed every 3000 Miles,
(because thats what most people believed they should do),
.....for the same 125K miles
= 42 oil changes = 208 quarts x $5 a quart = $1041 over that same 5 year period.
....... $1041 retail sale for Mobil1.
It all comes down to the bottom line. Another reason Amsoil is not a publicly traded company. Once public you must satisfy the stock holders and not the consumers.
Also, I think those nice lucrative contracts with the auto manufacturers are a reason. They both benefit ... Mobil1 from the sale of oil ... Dealers from the sale of an oil change.
Also, I don't know what Mobil1 makes from factory-fill contracts (if anything), but the co-marketing exposure is very valuable. You have no idea how many times I hear "It's factory-fill in the Corvette", or "Mercedes uses it" ... so it must be the best oil on earth".Trust Mercedes? I don't. Just go and research the Mercedes Benz class-action law suit that I mentioned on this site.
All co-marketing and guaranteed profits for Mobil1 when the owner lifts the hood and sees the filler cap read "Mobil1 recommended".
All B.S.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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