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8/30/2003
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What is the best oil to use in my 98 3.9 dakota?



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8/30/2003
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Any good name brand oil will be fine, I run all
Amsoil fluids in my trucks and have had very
good luck.

10-30

No Leaks, I think most of the people that get
bad leaks already had them and the synthetic
just cleand all the build up off and made them
worse.

Larry
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8/30/2003
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Jimmy,

"Best" ???????????

Larry is correct in saying that "any" good name brand will work "fine".

However, what is "best"?
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If you wanted opinions, you should have used the word "favorite" instead of "best". Best implies logic, but favorite implies emotions, which are illogical and opinionated.

By what criteria??? Price, anecdotal or actual performance, additive package, drain intervals?
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The first choice is between Synthetic and Non-Synthetic. The second choice is between "which brand". And the third choice is "which viscosity".

Let me see if I can answer all three here:
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Synthetic vs. Non Synthetic - Why Synthetics Work Better

In plain English, synthetic lubricants are designed to handle temperature extremes, especially heat. They reduce frictional heat and transfer heat away from critical components faster. They also resist heat breakdown much better than petroleum-based lubricants. In scientific terms, synthetic lubes have higher lubricity and higher thermal conductivity.

Conventional lubricants (often referred to as Dino, short for dinosaur) rely mainly on additives for their performance. Their petroleum base fluids are physically separated from crude oil during refining. Petroleum base fluids contain impurities of varying types and amounts (wax crystals and sulfur compounds, etc.). These impurities make the lubricant less stable, providing molecular "targets" where heat and chemical contaminants can "attack".
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What ARE Synthetic Lubricants?

Synthetic fluids are manufactured, built "from the molecules up" from simpler organic compounds. This synthesis process gives Synthetic Lubricants pre-determined physical and chemical properties. Thermal and oxidative stability increases oil life, reduces deposits and controls oil thickening. High lubricity reduces heat and prevents wear. The performance characteristics of synthetic lubes are based on their tailor-made molecular structure. Synthetic oils use additives to enhance performance, rather than make up for limitations of petroleum base fluids.

The synthetic chemistry means less friction, more efficient operation, and a decrease in lubricant temperatures. This translates into better fuel economy and increased power, reduced maintenance, improved reliability, and longer-lasting engines, transmissions, differentials, etc.
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NOTE: There are TRUE Synthetics and SEMI-Synthetics (sometimes referred to as FAKE Synthetics). A "100% True Synthetic" is Group IV/Group V and a "Hydrocracked (not 100%) Synthetic" is Group III (still better than straight dino)

A true 100% synthetic oil uses either the Group IV or Group V basestock, or a mixture of the two. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the synthetics use just one, they mix them both.

Group IV is PAOs (Polyalfaolefins) while Group V is the esters.
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Brand ????? Since I believe whole-heartedly in Synthetics ... lets begin there and talk about the top 3 mentioned on this site:

Redline is an excellent synthetic oil, but VERY pricey, and they offer no Preferred Customer Program whereby customers can receive approximately 20% off retail pricing (Amsoil does). Redline has an excellent additive package, and a high ratio of esters to PAO's. But my personal opinion ... I would not use this in a daily driver - it's viscosity tends to thin out rather quickly .

Of course I am particular to Amsoil. Amsoil has an excellent additive package, and offers extended drain intervals. FOR MORE INFORMATION ... perform a search for "Amsoil Extended Drain". Too much information to repeat every time. Amsoil can safely offer you extended oil drains up to 2 - 3 times manufacturers recommendations. I have a press release from Redline Oils where they verify that some Syntheitc Oils are good up to 25,000 miles but they don't recommend that you do it with theirs. Amsoil promotes a 25,000 mile oil ... but you have to work your way up to that level and perform Used Oil Analysis (UOA).

Mobil1 is good for an "on-the-shelf" synthetic oil, but it could be better. The European Formulation for Mobil1 is much better than the U.S. Mobil1 Formulation. It is a weaker formulation in the U.S. to compete price-wise with the other "on-the-shelf" oils.

There are other 100% synthetics but not as readily available as Redline, Amsoil, and Mobil1. I mentioned these three because they are the "favorite" 100% TRUE synthetics on this site.

If you choose to go with a Hydrocracked Semi-Synthetic, Amsoil offer their line of Amxoil XL7500 (per the name good for 7,500 miles between changes), and Castrol puts up very good numbers on the UOA's.
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VISCOSITY ...

... in the general term is defined as " a fluids resistance to flow". it's a measure of the internal friction of the fluid or the resistance to the movement of one layer of molecules relative to an adjacent layer.

THE LOWER (SMALLER or FIRST #, as in "10w-_) NUMBER.. is the Cold Cranking measurement, made at low temperatures, using a concentric cylinder viscometer to predict the oils cranking resistance in an engine during cold starting.

The measuring devices, or viscosmeters, most often used are in the form of close-fitting concentric cylinders. The fluid being evaluated is placed between the cylinder walls, the outer cylinder is held stationary and the inner cylinder is rotated. The speed of rotation is measured for a given force to calculate the viscosity, most commonly reported in cp or centipoise units. Also known as Absolute Viscosity.

THE HIGHER (BIGGER or SECOND #, as in "-30") NUMBER...is commonly measured in capilary tubes, in which the time for a fixed volume of fluid to flow through the tube under gravity at operating temp (100c)is measured and reported as cSt or centistokes. This is used most commonly to report the normal operating viscosity of motor oils or the higher number.
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0W- " is a viscosity GRADE, not a viscosity MEASUREMENT.

When testing for cold fluidity, the temperature is lowered approximately 5 degrees centigrade between each test.

The Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity is tested at:

-20 C for 10W-
-25 C fpr 5W-
-30 C for 0W-

It is my understanding that the oil has to be labelled at the lowest temperature it meets the specifications.

It may not be long before someone comes out with a " -5W-30 " which would correspond with -35 C.

NOTE: Stay within the manufacturers guidlines, making minor adjustments for driving conditions, driving habits, and where you drive during the winter.
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Don't forget to use the best filtration ... Dirt is Enemy # 1.
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8/30/2003
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interesting study

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html



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8/30/2003
13:53:45

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mddaktogo,

You are correct ... that is a VERY interesting story
that I have been following it from the very beginning.

I am confused however because that webpage was originally set up to PROVE that oils break down early and can not go for extended drains. Now they are thinking differently and have pushed the Mobil1 to 15k miles. Excellent, and Mobil1 can easily go 7.5 k miles in "any" vehicle, but to push it beyoud 7.5k miles requires UOA's (which they are doing every 1000 miles).

REMINDER, Mobil1 ACEA European Formulation is better than the API American Version. Why doesn't Mobil1 sell their "best" oil in the U.S. ?? Because they still want you to change your oil every 3k - 5k miles to pad their bottom line with profits. Plus their "best" oil would be priced at $10 plus in the U.S. (Amsoil retails for less than $6).

For The Record --- ACEA vs. API

European ACEA oil standards are much higher than what the minimum API requires. Amsoil has only "ONE" formulation ... their "best" ... which exceeds both ACEA and API standards, not so with Mobil1. They have two formulations ... one for European ACEA and one for U.S. API. Has anyone asked Mobil why American are being cheated out of a better product from Mobil that is only offered overseas? They are afraid to admit that they have a better formulation that they are not offering. It would kill their sales at Walmart.

Mobil1 is still a VERY good oil ... Best On-The-Shelf ...
that is ... unless the store also happens to be carrying Amsoil.

NOTE: Not every oil will perform the same way in every engine.
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Thanks for pointing out that site to everyone,
............. the more information the better.



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8/30/2003
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I keep hearing 25ooo mile changes max. What is up with the Amsoil company van that I used to see driving around Superior Wisconsin. This rolling billboard of a van had plastered in big letters on it how many miles it had achieved without an oil change. It has been some years and I didn't really have any interest or understanding of the subject of ext. drain intervals at the time, BUT i would swear that that van had more than a couple hundred thousand miles on the change(somebody please correct me if I am wrong). I have asked this question before, but it was buried in a already long thread. IN SHORT, how long can amsoil go with best case scenario. thanks.



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8/30/2003
17:01:26

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Answer: "Diesel Engines" with "By-Pass Filtration".

Here is one of our favorite examples:

409,000-Mile Oil Drain Interval Mack Engine Teardown

After 409,000 miles without an oil change, the AMSOIL-protected Mack E7-400 engine was as wear-free as an engine in comparable service treated to TWENTY TIMES the oil changes.

“I didn’t see any surprises in there at all. Based on my experience with AMSOIL Motor Oil, it came out the way we expected,” said owner/ operator Haywood Gray of his 1990 Mack E7-400 engine. It came out in good shape, exactly what you’d expect for a well-maintained engine with 630,000 miles. Yet the engine’s oil had not been changed for 409,000 miles!

Gray began using AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine 15W-40 Motor Oil (AME) in the E9-400 V-8 engine of his first truck, a 1984 Mack, after the engine accumulated 45,000 miles. For 280,000 miles, Gray changed his oil at 40,000-to 60,000-mile intervals though his oil analysis reports showed, without exception, that the oil was good for continued use. At 325,000 miles, Gray increased his oil drain interval to 100,000 miles. The engine was torn down at 600,000 miles when Gray decided to sell the truck. The cylinder liners, bearings, pistons, rings and oil pump, all treated to extended oil drain intervals with AMSOIL, were found to be in excellent condition. Gray continued using AMSOIL AME in the engine of his new truck, a 1990 Mack with a E7-400 engine. With the new truck, instead of using 100,000 mile drain intervals, Gray began basing his oil drains on the findings of a used oil analysis program. He also installed an AMSOIL By-Pass Oil Filter. After 630,000 miles total and 409,000 miles without an oil change, the E7-400 engine was torn down by the local Mack dealership in December 1996 and its parts were examined by an engine rater from a major oil additive manufacturer.

Findings

The engine showed light to moderate wear throughout, just as an engine in similar service and lubricated with conventional oil changed at 15,000- to 20,000-mile intervals would show. In fact, according to the engine rater the parts he examined – cylinder liners, pistons, rings, bearings, valve train components – could have been put right back in the engine and would have continued to provide the good, dependable service they had provided all along – after 409,000 miles without an oil change!

Discussion

Many factors enable AMSOIL to be safely used 20 times longer than petroleum oils may be used:

Stability – AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine 15W-40 Motor Oil is far less prone to thermal and oxidative breakdown than are petroleum oils. Stability inhibits the formation of carbon deposits, varnish, sludge and acids, which helps the engine run clean and protected.

Neutralization ability – While rapid TBN loss often renders conventional oils unfit for continued use, 12 Total Base Number (TBN) AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine15W-40 Motor Oil offers lasting protection against engine corrosion.

Viscosity retention – Some conventional oils’ viscosity slips out of specification within a few thousand miles of an oil change. AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine 15W-40 Motor Oil neither loses viscosity as shear-prone oils do, which promotes wear during high temperature operations, nor gains viscosity as oxidation-prone oils do, which promotes wear during startup and cold temperature operations.
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Additional Demonstrations

Gray’s successful use of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil in extended drain service is not unique. AMSOIL has conducted demonstrations with fleets all over North America. In each instance AMSOIL has been proven safe and effective in extended drain use. In fact, these studies show that AMSOIL used in extended drain interval programs consistently delivers lower rates of engine wear than conventional oils used in conventional drain interval programs.

The rater found the valve train components showed, “very light wear. Very good. [I] find no wear on the shaft, which can be a heavily loaded area.”

Southern over-the-road fleet – AMSOIL was used in Cummins class 8 engines for 75,000-mile drain intervals; the fleet’s normal drain intervals were 15,000 miles.

Upper Midwest grocery fleet – AMSOIL was used in Cummins NTC 350 engines for 74,000-mile drain intervals; normal drain intervals were 12,000 miles.

Northern grocery fleet – AMSOIL was used in Detroit Diesel Series 60 engines for 79,000-mile drain intervals; normal drain intervals were 20,000 miles.

Virginia Beach, Virginia owner/operator – AMSOIL was used in Cummins 350 engine for 325,350 miles without a drain.

Midwestern trucking fleet – AMSOIL was used in Detroit Diesel Series 60 engines for 60,000-mile drain intervals; normal drain intervals were 20,000 miles.

Northern tier over-the-road fleet – In an ongoing demonstration, AMSOIL Series 3000 5W-30 is being used in a fleet of Cummins N-14 engines for extended drain service with oil drains based on the findings of used oil analysis. One change was performed at one year with 125,000 miles on the AMSOIL. The oil was recommended for continued use. Normal oil drains are done at 20,000 miles.
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Back to Howard Gray ...

Haywood Gray has his used oil tested regularly to ensure the ongoing serviceability of the oil and well-being of the engine. In the engine oil report card, wear metals tell the whole story. A high wear metal content indicates a high rate of engine wear. In fact, most engine manufacturers publish upper limits on wear metals content at which an oil must be changed to assure continued engine protection. Even after 409,000 miles, AMSOIL protected better than Mack limits required. Now that’s protection!

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What Is Oil Analysis?

Oil analysis is a maintenance management tool that allows users to monitor equipment condition for maximum equipment life, maximum lubricant drain interval length and optimal downtime scheduling. Oil analysis saves users significant money by reducing equipment replacements and repairs, reducing the volume of lubricant purchased and destined for disposal and, most of all, by reducing downtime.

Oil analysis customers like Haywood Gray “trendline” their oil analyses. Trendlining involves comparing the results of previous oil analysis reports to those of the most recent report to establish trends in wear metals content, viscosity, acid content, acid neutralization ability and other characteristics as specified. Departures from established trends indicate a change in engine or lubricant condition and the information they provide may be used to correct abnormal conditions before they cause damage or failure.
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“AMSOIL extended drain interval recommendations are set at a minimum of two times or more than the engine manufacturer’s recommendations as determined by oil analysis.

“Studies have proven time and again that extended drain intervals with AMSOIL are a win/win situation – truckers win with less downtime and oil expense and they win big with reduced engine wear.”

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You too can extend your drain intervals in your Dodge Dakota (Gasoline or Diesel) ... up to 2 - 3 times manufacturers recommendations ... and EVEN LONGER with Oil Analysis.

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Thanks for Asking,



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8/30/2003
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Steven,

Pretty impressive results. Long post though. I would probably just change my oil once a year rather than go through the analysis. Might make the switch soon, especially if I get my new vehicle.

Thanks.



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8/30/2003
19:31:13

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Man Steven and I thought I was long winded.
well let see how bad I am

Just do a little research on why the Amsoil was
created in the first place by a pilot that liked
to return to the landing strip with his engine
still in one piece and running.

What will destroy an engine faster than anything,
Heat.!! What causes heat Friction.!! so lets
add 2 and 2 together and get catch 22

How can I reduce heat and friction
(secret) synthetic oil reduces friction thus
reducing heat.

Is it better Yes.!!

If you plan on running your engine hard you want
an oil that will not break down from heat and
cause more friction and heat when it does.

Another thing about synthetics is that all the
molecules are the same size not some big
some small like crude (right name) crude

The smaller same size molecules will give a
better film of oil protection.

I run the original Turbo 10-30, 9000 miles
and 3 $4 filters, Am I saving money Who Cares
am I saving ware and tear on my engine Yes.!!!

I guess if those are not laymen's terms no one
will ever understand the benefits of synthetic oil.

Larry
J&J Auto

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8/30/2003
20:26:02

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Royal Purple 5W-30 is all I have used in my
truck since 1,200 miles new (63,000 miles
now).

All of this info is nice, but for everything that
Amsoil says is great about their oil, Royal
Purple (along with everybody else) has a
whole different sales pitch why they have the
BEST oil going.

I personally like R.P. others have their own
favorites. Just use common sense and buy
your favorite, for your own reason.

Change the oil reguarly (no matter what
ANYBODY else says). That alone is by far the
most important step to keeping the motor
alive and going.

Amsoil guy... You can spare me the sales
mumbo-jumbo, I'm sure you sell a good
product. But I like R.P. 5W-30 with
K&N(HP-2004) filters changed every 5,000
miles! No matter how much tech info you cram
into a post.


Darryl



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8/30/2003
20:39:37

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Thank you steven and Larry.

Darryl,

If you have nothing to add , please stay away.



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8/30/2003
21:03:39

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Darryl,

Real simple, I was answering someone's question ... not posting a lot of technical "crap" as you so kindly put it.

Use what you want ...

... even the stuff they sell as "no name" for $ .69 quart.



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8/30/2003
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

The same goes for oil buy what you feel comfortable with

I always wanted to go synthetic, Amsoil just happened to
be what I chose because they made the fluids for every
part of my truck

Engine
Trans
Rearends
and I even grease with the Amsoil grease with moly
and to this day I have never had to replace any front
end parts on any of my trucks or cars and never
lost a motor

I am sure the other synthetics perform just as well, I
was just making a point synthetic is a better oil no
matter what the brand name

Larry
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8/30/2003
21:22:59

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If you plan on keeping your car 7,10,15 years the long term deposits from dino oils in the ring pack, pickup screen, oil galleys, emission system and lifters really become an issue. EGR valves are not cheap and niether is decarboning or top cylinder cleaning etc.. on a regular basis. As the oils keep getting thiner and OCI's keep getting longer I think these issues will become evident. Now if a good GIII oil was produced and marketed as a good dino oil then alot of these same issues go away. Eventuly the greedy blood sucking scum bags that push GIII as synthetic will be forced to sell GIII at down to earth prices. This will also force them to compete on a level playing field with companys that have been honest enough to sell a true synthetic at the same or cheaper price point!! Castrol ... you are SCUM.

My prediction for this to happen is 10 years. Ester and PAO based oils are going to make so much progress in the next 10 years that these scum bags selling GIII as true synthetic will not be able to compete and will be forced to do the right thing.

All major car/truck manufacturers realize the benefits of TRUE Synthetics ... especially with the longer warranties that they are offering. More and more are factory fill synthetic. The future is here and it is spelled S-Y-N-T-H-E-T-I-C.

Don



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8/30/2003
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It is my understanding the RP can be used in race motors but is not formulated for a truck we drive every day. That is from my cousin who has been working in the pits for 10+ years. He uses Redline in the race car and Amsoil in his xxxx. (Sorry, had to put the xxxx's, since I know Ford is a four letter word here).



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8/30/2003
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Royal Purple has 2 grades of motor oil, 1 for racing and another that is API certified for street driven motors.

I hope I added something! Sorry to speak ill of the all mighty!

Last I knew, everyone is intitled to an opinion, you got mine... like it or not.

Darryl



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8/30/2003
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Amsoil guy:

If you can find the word "CRAP" in my first post, I'll start using Amsoil!

Guess I'll still be using R.P.

Guys, make sure you read and fully understand a post before you respond.

I know you were posting info to help, but I too was posting info to help. The only difference is I dont make a cent off my "help".


Darryl




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8/31/2003
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As aformer RP user, Personally I see no reason to use Royal Purple over Mobil SS. I know this sounds weird but the motor seems to run smoother with the Mobil SS. Also, RP has a lot of moly in it and moly is an unknown for now. Some praise it and some surse it. any comments?



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8/31/2003
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One thing that has been bothering me is that almost every analysis on RP involves the LS1 motor which never seems to give a good report. But we all know the LS1 hates most oils. I think myself and everyone else would feel more comfortable using RP if there were more positive studies released on RP. This is not to be taken as irrational criticism of Royal Purple products. I know RP has a new SL version vs the old SJ. I was not impressed with the SJ but maybe the SL is better. Just my .02



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8/31/2003
11:21:38

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Good morning Everyone,

Normally I would not be at my desk on a three day weekend, but me and the wife are sick this weekend and staying at home.

A word about RP:

Royal Purple is a VERY good oil and I would certainly recommend it over Redline (I have seen UOA's where Redline thins out too fast and their Xw-30 trends down to a Xw-20 at about 3500 miles which is not good). Danny is correct ... RP's new SL is much improved over their former SJ formulation. So I don't see any problem using Royal Purple unless you don't like the color Purple!

However, one of the main benefits of using Synthetics is Extended Drains. (Saves money, helps to protect the environment, etc.) Redline recently (in a press release) confirmed that "some" motor oils marketed as having 25,000 mile drain intervals (without mentioning Amsoil), could VERY WELL be able to do so under normal driving conditions. Amsoil Synthetic Oils are formulated with Base Oils and Additives for Extended Drain Protection. Redline confirmed Amsoil's claims, but stated that they would not recommend Redline oils for the same extended drains. (If you would like a copy of this press release let me know).

As for reading "crap" instead of "cram" ... yep ... my bad!

If you do decide to use RP ... I recommend the 10-w30 ... better UOA's.

As to oils used in Race Cars ... Mostly special 70w formulations that you would not put in your daily driver. Their engines will not last if they use a "lighter" oil such as an SAE 30, 40, or 50.

So you can't say "Mobil1 in in the racecar so it has to be good for me" ... TWO DIFFERENT FORMULATIONS. (not to disrespect Mobil, probably the best on the shelf synthetic ... but it could be better formulated ... perhaps to the ACEA (European Version) that is much better).

Unfortunately for consumers, Mobil will never offer their "best oil" to the American public. Why does Mobil offer a better oil in Europe that the United States. Mobil could not sell their "best oil" for $20 jug at WalMart, and it would kill their market share.

Mobil is market share driven. How Sad & Too Bad !
McDonalds offers a $1 burger, but a gourmet burger is $6.
Which one tastes better and is more healthy? Which do you prefer?

"Food" for thought !!! .... Get it? Burger = Food ! Ha Ha

Have a GREAT Labor Day Weekend !!!
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P.S. On a different thread I posted my top choices of petroleum oils (i.e. dino or crude oils). Anyone interested in only using regular dino and not synthetic ... please let me know and I will repost that list. The list was based on reality ... Used Oil Analysis!!!!

Thank You,



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Yes, this thread was last posted to in 2003.

... AND ... My how things have changed ...

... Oil at $55 a Barrel and Gasoline Over $2.00 a Gallon

REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL WITH AMSOIL

AMSOIL has 30+ years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.

AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because we start with superior base oils and and the additive package is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.

Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe) ... because that's what consumers want.

Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil.

Longer Drain Intervals = less oil used.

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REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL WITH AMSOIL

Industry tests have shown improved fuel economy of 2 - 5% in vehicles using synthetic lubricants. Many AMSOIL customer testimonials tell of even greater savings. If all cars in America used AMSOIL synthetic motor oil, gear lubes and drive train fluids, we would save enough fuel to eliminate our need for thousands of barrels of oil.

As mentioned earlier, there is another way to reduce oil usage. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are designed for extended drain intervals and reduce the amount of oil used by as much as 80%.

Fewer oil changes means less oil used.
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