Oil additives and engine treatments

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93dakman Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/30/2003 00:07:04	Subject: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: What do you guys think about oil additives and engine treatments. I mean are they good or bad? What can they possibly do; Raise compression? Make it faster? Tell me what you all think about any thing you put in your engines that isn't oil or gas. Thanx
J and J Auto Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/30/2003 00:15:28	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Forget the additives just go to a good synthetic oil. I run all Amsoil fluids and have never had any problems with any of our trucks or cars. It also helps a little with performance and gives you better milage especialy in a 4X4 oil tran's rear ends Larry J&J Auto
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/30/2003 08:21:11	Oil additives - Not with Amsoil IP: Logged Message: 93dakman, Here is a good thread and it might be beneficial for you to do a search for others. Slick 50 Additive Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Harvey Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/30/2003 23:50:32	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: The owner manual says 'NO!' to additives. I wonder what will happen to the additive industry since most, if not all, auto manufactures say not to use additives.
pbxr GenIII 7/31/2003 07:07:38	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Steven and Larry, what do you think of the Lucas products? I have primarily run Mobil 1 5w30 in my dak, and have also tried Amsoil, 7500 mi oil. Both seem to hold up well, and take less time to break down, although I noticed that I was able to stretch the Mobil 1 a little further. I commute 216 mi a day, and I am willing try new product. At my last oil change, 2000 mi ago, I replaced what appeared to be very dirty broken down Amsoil, back to Mobil 1 and added a product from Lucas, oil treatment. So far I have to say, I have noticed some mpg improvments, and what seems to be a smoother running engine, so what gives. Oh and when I mentioned stretch, it was @ 5000 miles. I know the Amsoil product said 7500 mi, but I couldn't hold out, especially when I checked my fluid levels, and noticed the discoloration, black, oil. This is in no way a slam on Amsoil, infact, reading all of the informative posts form Steven regarding oil comparisons, I am more out for more information, and perhaps a comparison of Amsoil to Lucas and Mobil1. Thanks for the replies '01 Sport Auto 3.9, CC, 3923s, Intense Cold Intake, Dynomax SuperTurbo 17748, Wal-Mart special roll on bedliner, MOOG upper and lower ball joints, V8 TB, clear corners, gutt guard, tinted,blah blah...
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/31/2003 11:24:07	Amsoil AMSOIL Amsoil AMSoil Amsoil IP: Logged Message: pbxr, I have neither good or bad things to say about "Lucas Oil" ... I've never used it or run a Used Oil Analysis (UOA) on it. Lucas oil is a Group III base and it is not a "true" PAO synthetic, Group IV & V. -------------------------------------------------- Step up to the plate and use something besides Amsoil XL7500. That oil was formulated for the Quickie Lubes. It too is a Group III hydrocracked oil and not a Group IV / V "true" PAO synthetic. -------------------------------------------------- Are you inquiring about Lucas Oil "Stabalizer"? I would not recommend Lucas Stabalizer in a motor oil. Lucas ... in all their demonstration machines ... show how the oil will climb in that little gearwheel contraption. Kinda neat, EXCEPT ... motors have an oil pump so why do you need an additive in a motor oil to help it climb? The oil has more than sufficient ability to get onto and into all parts of an engine. Second, you want the oil to flow ... and by increaseing the tackiness or stickiness to an oil (which is what Lucas promotes), it would reduce flow. Your Engine needs ... Flow and Filtration ... Flow and Filtration. -------------------------------------------------- Oil Appearance ... per your comment "discoloration, black, oil" ... ... appearance has little to do with an oils ability to protect. The color is basically partially burnt hydrocarbons and fine particles. All oils will turn dark (black) given enough time. I've found thinner oils will turn dark quicker than thicker oils. Color isn't the be-all-end-all sign that an oil should be changed. -------------------------------------------------- Did I answer your question? Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
pbxr GenIII 7/31/2003 12:33:31	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Thanks for the informative response Steven. So what should I expect if I were to "step up to the plate" and go with the more expensive options? Name branding has almost never affected a purchase for me, results do though. With my listed commute above, what advantages would I see if I were to step up to the plate, and also, what product would you recomend? Thanks again for the info. Brian '01 Sport Auto 3.9, CC, 3923s, Intense Cold Intake, Dynomax SuperTurbo 17748, Wal-Mart special roll on bedliner, MOOG upper and lower ball joints, V8 TB, clear corners, gutt guard, tinted,blah blah...
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/31/2003 14:27:52	Amsoil AMSOIL Amsoil AMSoil Amsoil IP: Logged Message: You commute 216 miles a day? Mostly highway? If so, you are the perfect candidate for extended drain. Most synthetics have similarly good typical specs, but the performance from better additives, more shear stable VI, higher TBN, etc., can not be easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. These attributes of AMSOIL show up by controlling acids in the oil, eliminating corrosion in the engine, maintaining viscosity throughout the drain interval, helping improve performance in the areas of fuel economy and cold weather starting (I checked your profile and see you live in Kentucky ... my father was born in Jackson, KY and I know it can get cold there), keeping contaminants in suspension until they get to the oil filter for removal ... or the oil is drained, and generally keeping the engine cleaner and deposit free. These benefits are not easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. They are only noticeable in actual use and performing UOA's. -------------------------------------------------- I'd run Amsoil's regular 5w-30 "ASL" and change the oil/filter every 7500 miles (. I do think the XL-7500 is better than the other group III synthetics out there, but the regular 5w-30 uses an even better PAO basestock and a significantly more robust additive chemistry. For example, the TBN of ASL is about 12.5, vs 10.0 for the XL-7500. The PAO based product should also maintain it's cold flow properties better. -------------------------------------------------- The above mentioned Amsoil Synthetic Oil is our 25,000 mile 1-year Extended Drain Formulation. *** Note: On the back of the Amsoil bottle, and in their literature, Amsoil states that you can extend your oil change interval up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation. If you are going to be driving 25,000 miles and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) between oil changes (changing the filter at 6 months or 12,500 miles), you should perform a UOA to determine if your engine (along with your driving conditions) are suitable for extended drain. Otherwise, I certainly believe that you can easily extend your drains up to 7500 miles. -------------------------------------------------- Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Joe Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/31/2003 15:14:12	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Im kinda disappointed to hear the amsoil broke down that quickly. If I switch to amsoil I wouldnt get the oil analysis, I would check it and note its coloration and level. I have the ATF and about to swap the rear diff fluid out, and im happy w/the atf. Im not taking sides, but do you think the crankcase was already grimy and since you didnt flush it, it became dark? Or have you noted other oils stay cleaner under the same conditions? I wouldnt consider the 7500 amsoil since it seems inferior to other amsoil's oils and costs within a dollar of the extended drain oils.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/31/2003 15:41:59	Amsoil AMSOIL Amsoil AMSoil Amsoil IP: Logged Message: Joe, Your comment: "Im kinda disappointed to hear the amsoil broke down that quickly." That is only Amsoil's XL7500 (engineered for 7500 miles) and is a Group III Hydrocracked Synthetic ... not a Group IV PAO Synthetic. Formulated for the Quickie Lube's. -------------------------------------------------- I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil change is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months). Redline Oil recently wrote an article that SUPPORTS Amsoils claims of 25k miles between oil changes. Repeat, SUPPORTS the FACT that some synthetics are capable of 25k miles between changes.You have to respect their POSITIVE position on EXTENDED DRAINS. AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains. Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future ... because that's what consumers want. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Joe Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/31/2003 17:10:32	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Explain the 0w-30 high mpg oil to me please. I wanna use it in my car's (if its the best) which is a 95 Ford Aspire 1.3 4cyl that is made for high mpg. Also I dont plan on taking it 25k or 35k(0w-30). I just want to change it once a year (probably 10-15k miles of normal use) and swap filters every 3k or amsoil filters every 6months. But if the oil gets black and tar-like, I wouldnt allow it to get that black. Superior protection at a decent price is what I want, thats why I started using amsoil products, and am pleased so far. By the way, Im about to change the rear diff over to amsoil, DO I need a new gasket in the rear??? Auto zone quoted $18 for a little felpro piece of rubber. Maybe it was the wrong gasket, cause it was 2pieces about 4in long each. Thats not enough to completely surround the rearend. How do you use the engine flush? I checked it out and didnt get explained. I was thinkin of running some castrol for about 50 miles then draining and putting amsoil in.
pbxr GenIII 7/31/2003 20:52:23	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Joe, to answer your discoloration ?. When I compared the Mobil1 to the Amsoil 7500, it was around the same milage interval, to truely compare. What I personally noticed, was the Mobil1 seemed to hold a clearer consistancy vs. Amsoil. And I REPEAT, I am in no way slamming or advicating one over the other, I just found the differance to be interesting. I only went with the 7500, because at the time, the only Amsoil dealer around here had the 7500, and was out of stock of the 0w30. So Steven you may consider that in regards to the step up to the plate comment. Like I said, I am all for spending a little extra, but only if it does in fact help, and last. As far as build up etc., my commute is mostly hiway miles, maybe 25 of it is city. And I apologize in advance, but I would still be prone to changing my fluids based on color, transmission fluid is a perfect example of breakdown = to discoloration, so I would modestly think it would be the same with oil, to me the oil looked broke down imho. '01 Sport Auto 3.9, CC, 3923s, Intense Cold Intake, Dynomax SuperTurbo 17748, Wal-Mart special roll on bedliner, MOOG upper and lower ball joints, V8 TB, clear corners, gutt guard, tinted,blah blah...
Joe Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/31/2003 21:16:15	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Thanks pbxr, I too use discoloration as an indicator to change fluids. Since I do it myself mostly and always forget to buy the little mileage stickers just look at its condition. I just found out that my car had gear oil in the tranny before i put redline MTL in it. When I was changing it, it spurted out and got on me. It was the worst smell ever. Now my amsoil gear oil is here, and I noticed they smelled the same. Maybe it did no harm. pbxr, when you buy the "step up to the plate" amsoil, let me know what you observe. Amsoil ATF is superior to the factory ATF III ( i think). Hopefully the rear diff amsoil will show a positive difference when I change it tomorrow.
pbxr GenIII 8/01/2003 07:09:42	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Thanks for the infor re: the amsoil atf. I will post again when I purchase the up to the plate type of amsoil. For the most part, people on this site and others seemed pleased with it, I am sure you can find several posts and reviews from fellow dak owners. I just figured I'd ask the inhouse Amsoil expert, he seems to compare most other products to Amsoil, and the posts seem @ times a little biased, j/k, for the most part informative. '01 Sport Auto 3.9, CC, 3923s, Intense Cold Intake, Dynomax SuperTurbo 17748, Wal-Mart special roll on bedliner, MOOG upper and lower ball joints, V8 TB, clear corners, gutt guard, tinted,blah blah...
Joe Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/01/2003 15:00:02	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: I put the rear diff fluid in and did about 5-8 figure 8s. I notice nothing but didnt really expect to. I am worried because of my laziness. I loosened all the nuts and pryed on the bottom o the housing a little bit to let all the fluid drain out, then I poured a small amount to let it wash away some of the old. I then tightened it back up and cleaned the outside of the diff and added the fluid. I didnt buy a new gasket or apply and sealant. I drove around for a bit and checked it and didnt see any fluid dripping. Any thoughts? Ill put a few more miles on it and check it again. I dont think it will leak, but someone said pressure gets built up in there and may make it leak.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 11/03/2003 08:28:49	Amsoil --- Dark Oil - Dirty Oil - Depleted ??? IP: Logged Message: I was doing a search for an old post under additives and came across this one. I noticed you guys were talking about discoloration. I must have missed this due to being on vacation back in August, but here are my comments on ... Dark Oil, Dirty Oil, Etc., ... Someone asked the following via Email and and my response follows. __________________________________________________ QUESTION --- "Shouldn't oil be changed when it is dirty. Doesn't Amsoil get dirty enough at 3000 miles to change it? Should dirty oil continue to be used even if it is Amsoil?" RESPONSE --- Do you mean "dirty", "dark", or ... "depleted of it's additives package" and therefore rendering the oil uncapable of performing the job it was formulated to do. Most oils have detergents and dispersants as part of their additives package. The darkening results from suspended particulates too fine to be trapped by the filter. This is good because it's visual evidence showing that the detergent/dispersant package is doing its job. If you were to use a non-detergent oil --- your oil would be almost as clean coming out as going in --- in a well maintained and trouble-free engine. HOWEVER, the visual look of "darkened" oil to the human eye is not always from suspended particles ( which is more common in diesels ) - it is usually from some soluble cleaning of left-over residuals as well as chemical changes to the oils additives package itself which render it less translucent, but don't immediately make the oil spent. All oils will turn dark (black) given enough time. Thinner oils will turn black quicker than thicker ones. Bottom Line --- DARK OIL IS NOT BAD OIL and THE COLOR IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF OIL CHANGE INTERVALS. And ... the 3k mile oil change is the industries (Quickie Lubes) way of getting more money out of your pocket. In Europe most cars have recommended oil change intervals of between 10k - 12k miles (or more). Here in America I am seeing manufacturers recommending 5k - 7.5k oil change intervals ---- soon to be extended --- WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE OWNERS MANUAL TO ONLY USE SYNTHETIC OIL. __________________________________________________ P.S. My use of "all caps" at times was not yelling ... it was so that certain points would stand out. Thank You. __________________________________________________ Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
LarryW Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/08/2004 11:48:58	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: Detergent oil will turn a dark blue-black after it is heated. Non-detergent oil will turn a reddish-brown. Most diesel engines will turn oil black in the first few minutes of running time. Color of oil means nothing. The only accurate way to determine an oil’s lubricating value or contamination level is through oil analysis.
andys1960 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/09/2004 05:59:23	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: I personaly believe that oil color is an indicator of an oil's condition.while a black oil might still have lubricating properties it is dirty the contaminates I believe change the color .the filter cannot trap these type contaminants.I wonder if someone sold a soap that was guranteed to decrease the need to shower daily would we buy that.even though your body appears to be dirty you are not because this soap lasts five times as long tests have and even though your body is black your are really clean because of the additive package in this soap.ridicoulous right so is the notion black oil is really clean.i'm not buying it.I have tried to keep an open mind about extended drains but just does't make sense to me.the main reason for 3000 mile changes i have been taught is to remove contaminants.I believe amsoil is good oil but i don't buy into extended drains.
bb Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/09/2004 06:34:16	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: I use black soap and it cleans my body.
BrianM Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/09/2004 06:38:12	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: In Europe, where I lived for 4 years, oil change intervals are three times as long as here in the USA. Also, American manufacturers are begining to state in their manuals that you can extend your drains something like 7k - 10k miles as long as you use synthetic oil. If any off the shelf synthetic can go 7k - 10k, then I bet a top line synthetic like redline or amsoil can go further. just my .02.
mark1 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/09/2004 18:50:15	RE: Oil additives and engine treatments IP: Logged Message: I used amsoil in my 2001 dakota bought new had a oil analysis done at 10,000 miles and was still ok for continud use.
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