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dickie
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5/22/2003
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I have a 2000 dakota with a 3.9 and I am wanting to put a set of headers on. I know there has to be quite a few people out here with them. Do they increase mileage? I am also considering getting an underdrive crank pulley and a dynomax 17748 to increase gas, torque, hp. Hopefully in that order. Here are my main questions?
1) Where is the best place to buy JBA headers or other brands from, price wise?
2) Will these additions help gas mileage maybe 1 to 2 mpg? (crossing my fingers)
This truck sucks the gas down. I get about 18 mpg highway with a tonneau cover and cold air intake.
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Ryan
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
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With all of those mods you should see about a 2mpg increase. I sell them all on my website check it out.
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RyansFriend
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
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Actually the stock magnum exhaust system is very efficient. It is highly unlikely that you will see and mpg or power increases by modding the exhaust before you mod the intake. That money would be better spent on a cold air intake and throttle body. Try www.intenseperformance.com and www.thefastman.com for these mods.
Just another example of the three nippled cross eyed assclown we like to call v8performance trying to make a buck instead of actually providing valid advice and selling a consumer a product that will actually help them. Thanks v8performance!!!
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tarheelSLT
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
10:24:12
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it is getting sad isn't it?
someone asks a good question and gets triple nippled cross eyed slamed.
i have to agree with ryans' friend.
the exhaust mods should come later when you have completed top engine mods.
ryan i must say that you are the entrepreneur, but you are not customer oriented.
provide honest assistance, go the extra mile, provide fair prices, and you will succeed.
Otherwise your just using the forum like a blood sucking parasite.
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Ryan
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
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Well the advice I gave was based on actual results, since I have a 2000 v6 myself. The Exhaust DOES give you better gas milage. I had it on my truck first thing for about 3 months before doing any other mods. My milage increased about 1 mpg with just the exhaust. He did not mention whether or not he had an intake so I didnt suggest it assuming that he already had one.
So basically what you're telling me is that an exhuast system, headers, and a set of pulleys wont increase your milage by 2 mpg? Are you a moron or just plain ignorant? Just my 2 cents.
BTW I am not out here just to make a buck. I have turned MANY people away from products that they didnt need. He asked a specific question and I gave the answer. Lets just not assume that his truck is bone stock alright? Thanks alot.
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dickie
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
16:00:47
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Well I figured the headers and muffler would help make the truck breathe better and then in return receive better gas mileage. The underdrive pulley was just an added bonus for mileage and torque. The truck is stock with no other mods except the cold air intake, s-bolt, and has recently been tuned up.
Well since I am getting mixed responses on these products, what do you guys recommend to do increasing the mpg?
Please try to stay with the subject and not try and bad mouth anyone not unless they deserve it.
Thanks
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02sxt4X4
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
16:48:38
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I have an intense performance stage II intake and a dynomax 17748 muffler installed. I also have the Autolite plugs AP3923, I went with platinum instead of copper because I noticed better performance out of the plats.
With those mods I gained about 1-2mpg. But it is hard for me to really tell as I drive it so inconsistently. But I am getting better mileage overall. My next mod is the throttle body.
I'm more looking to add a little more performance, I don't mind not gaining mpg but I definitely don't want to lose any...so far I have not been disappointed with my mods.
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IntenseDak39
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5/22/2003
17:01:02
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Did you guys happen to read what Dickie posted?
Did you read what Ryan posted?
...because it seems like while you guys were too busy posting about three nippled cross eyed assclown's you missed the part where dickie posted "I get about 18 mpg highway with a tonneau cover and COLD AIR INTAKE."
and whats even more ironic is while Ryan suggested opening up the exhaust... you slammed him by saying that it was a waste because Dickie needed to buy a cold air intake...
Now answer this... how is its a waste of money for him to buy performance parts that he does not already possess? but you think that its a great economical suggestion for him to buy parts he already owns.
you guys are so f'in retarded you cant even figure out how to flame someone! In your process to make ryan look like a jerk, you just proved what he said and made yourselves look like a couple of... whats the word?.... "assclowns"?
Ryan,
congrats on the business and hope all goes well with it!
Dickie,
you are on the right track. A good high performance muffler will work great... all will yeild about the same performance level, its just a sound preference. Not many people like em but when i had the Jet Stage II module it helped my MPG a lot. Other things to keep in mine is tire size... the bigger the tire, the better Highway miles... the smaller the tire, the better the city miles
1998 Regular Cab V6 Auto
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GB2000
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
17:56:42
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lmao... I just went back and re-read the posts. You made a really good point there! =P
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ryansbuddy
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
18:17:30
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I'm sorry, I did not realize that mr dickie allready had a cold air intake. My recomendations would be for a replacement muffler, under drive crank pulley and a good throttle body. My advice would also be to not buy from ryan, a fastman tb direct from fast man is 250 shipped to your door with the best customer service out there. A fastman tb from ryan is 275 plus 15 bucks shipping with the typical triple nipple customer service,,,if the 3rd nipple and the sub par service and knowledge is worth the extra 40 bucks to ya go right ahead.
Ryan, we still buddies? If its cool I'll still be over later =P
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Shank
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
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Intense had a good point also, Taller tires get better overall gas mileage but your engine works just a lil harder to get that big rubber rolling. Also the Width of your tires make a huge difference in Wind resistance and your Hydro plane ability in rain. Wider is not always better in this aspect. True 33x12.5/15 TSL Thornbirds look awesome and are superior in Mud but a nice LT235/75/R15 will get better gas mileage. I've seen the wide 255/60's one the RT/S Dakota which looks nice but causes more wind drag and better Hydroplane than narrow tires will. Look at what Nissan and Toyota trucks are running for tires, Nice and Tall but also Narrow for higway driving and better gas mileage.
Just my 3 cents
Shank
After I wear out these LT30x9.5's I'm goin back to P235/75's to get my 2 Mpg back.
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J and J Auto
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
20:43:58
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Way to go Intense,
I to am getting tired of these people slaming Ryan
every time he says anything.
Did you guys order parts from him and get ripped
"NO" so what is the deal.
I have had coversations with Ryan and delt with
him and he is not trying to rip anyone off.
I don't understand were this is coming from either
explain for all of us or back off
Larry
J&J Auto
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Ryan
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
21:08:50
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Ya my fastman prices are a bit high, but they are about to come down to about $235 in the next month. That make you happier? :)
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tarheelSLT
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2003
22:41:16
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i wasn't slaming i was telling what i see.
i am new to the boards and have gone back to many old posts because i just bought a 00 slt and wanted to get informed.
i can't tell you how many times i would see ryans post without any info other than to show his URL (web site). I looked there and looked elsewhere having almost thirty years in the computer enviornment i surf very well.
found that he could use my opinion, not slam, i own two businesses myself and he should know what i was talking about.
i didn't miss the air intake but then again i'm not with knowledge i'm looking for knowledge and i didn't ASS-U-ME (assume)what or what was not installed on the guy's dak.
i just suggested more assitance less BUY from ME.
no offense ryan.
i'm just slowly building a 00 SLT.
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dickie
Dodge Dakota
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5/23/2003
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Do I need to start a new post? Or maybe just let ya'll burn each other. Need to get a chat room going between these people. Really alls I am looking for are some parts that will help with the mpg and torque. Can someone help me out here???? I'am not calling anyone out here, I just want some input on what I should get...
Get the underdrive pulley???? <-- Really don't want to spend the $ on new belt and pulley if it doesn't help.
Get the TB from Fastman???? <-- I had a s-10 a while back and put a Holley Pro-jection TB on and man that really helped performance but unsure about mpg cause that has been at least 5 years ago.
No dice on the headers then from what I got from previous responses...
Remember this truck is stock, thanks...
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Lesley
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5/23/2003
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If you want to save a few $$ you could just upgrade your TB to a stock V8.
I have the JBAs on my V6. I didn't notice any improvement with just the cold air, in fact it was a bit of a pig. Once I put the TB and upgraded the muffler though, it was a different story. My mileage is great 18-20 - IF I keep my foot off the gas.
As far as underdrive pulleys go, I've hear they are a good mod but you have to be careful running them in a real hot climate.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake,
Not installed: 5.9 litre 360, posi & 3.92s, M1 2bbl , 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs. , KRC cam, mopar perf valve covers & air cleaner
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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5/23/2003
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'99 V6 cc auto 3.55's:
lowered 2/3, 255/55/17, Snugtop tonneau, royal purple (engine/diff), bosch + 4's, 180* stat, airaid intake with powerstack filter, gibson single side swept cat-back, fastman 46mm TB, tire psi 40/36(front/rear), 87 octane,
18 - 20 is the mpg I get all day, everyday. This is just what the engine design + drag + weight equals out to.
No real magic solution: throttle down, less mpg; throttle up, more mpg.
Darryl
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IntenseDak39
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5/23/2003
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"Do I need to start a new post? Or maybe just let ya'll burn each other. Need to get a chat room going between these people. Really alls I am looking for are some parts that will help with the mpg and torque. Can someone help me out here???? I'am not calling anyone out here, I just want some input on what I should get..."
maybe you need a little help too... here i will post again what i said above.
"Dickie,
you are on the right track. A good high performance muffler will work great... all will yeild about the same performance level, its just a sound preference. Not many people like em but when i had the Jet Stage II module it helped my MPG a lot. Other things to keep in mine is tire size... the bigger the tire, the better Highway miles... the smaller the tire, the better the city miles"
1998 Regular Cab V6 Auto
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Daddy-D
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5/23/2003
09:27:29
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Save up for the headers while you do other mods first. Headers should be last - or nearly so.
The stock system is pretty good - remember, JBAs have extremely short primaries (pipes right out of the heads), which will yield more HP (hi-RPM power) as opposed to torque (lo-mid-RPM power). Since the throttle body flows relatively inefficiently, that's a good one to go after.
Here's a good order to do your mods in:
Good alignment job (really!)
180 deg t-stat
Synthetic oils throughout (must have)
Dynomax muffler (or equivalent)
Upgrade throttle body (I like my Flometrics!)
Tonneau (best for freeway mileage)
Headers
Go for the less-expensive mods first; you won't realize any real benefit with headers until you have done the other stuff first.
I am secretly saving for headers next...
'98 DakSport C/C 3.9 2WD A/T
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J and J Auto
Dodge Dakota
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5/23/2003
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Here are my mods in about the order I did them.
First I got more into the engine, than opened up
the exaust to let more out. Than I added the
ignition to burn it more efficently and advanced
the timing. I got better mpg with jet chip and
changing the crank sensor location but I still
was not satisfied.
Than I pulled it out and changed the crank rods
cam and pistons. Not the strokerkits.com kit but
all custom made parts made just for me that were
not cheap or advisable for the average owner to do.
Longer stroke, Higher compresion, Apexi controler
because the stock computer did not even come close
to the fuel I needed to run this babe.
Just got my reprogramed ASE Chip back will be
trying that tonoght and this weekend.
Larry
J&J Auto
F&B 48mm Throttle Body
Ram Air Hood K&N filter
All Amsoil Synthetics
TansGo shift kit
3.55 Sure Grip
TPS Volts .72
Injctor sync +3
1.7 crower rollers
#19 FMS Injectors
running 93 oct fuel
180 Mopar Themostat
electric fan
No Cat
JBA headers
Dynomax 17748
2 1/2 factory tail pipe
MSD6a ignition
MSD SS Blaster coil
Jet stage 2 Chip
Also have ECU with ASE Chip
MSD 8.5 super conductor wires
Autolite 3923 (gap .050 with MSD)
Borg Warner brass incerts cap and rotor
Relocated Crank sensor 5 degrees advanced
(fabricated mount)on replacement unit can do
Dual IAT's (depending on outside temp)
(cab mounted switch either manifold or Grill mount)
And More
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Russ
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2004
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To Response to Dickie. I have a 2000 Dodge Dakota also with the 3.9 V6. I don't have any modifications done on my truck as of yet and I get 18 City and between 20 and 22 on the highway.
I did notice if I use 87 Octaine gas my mpg decrease but if I stay with 89 Octaine. I am about to install the Super 40 Flowmaster cat back dual exhaust system which should give me between 1 to 2 mpg more. I will keep you posted.
Russ
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