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Adam Ully
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4/27/2003
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I have a 1994 Dodge Dakota, V6, 4x4, 4 SPD AUTO, Extended Cab, with canopy. I have used Chevron 92 OCT for about 2-3 months now and I still only get 250-300 km per tank. (60 ltr tank) I think that is absolutely rediculous. I can't even imagine what a V8 would get!!! Is this the case with everyone. this truck has been baby'd all its life and I even hooked it up to a portable diagnostic electronic unit and everything is within specs. I was wondering if I may have the optional rear gears to make it not go so far. I love this truck but it GOES NOWHERE....fuel mileage is NON-EXISTANT....what the heck...Let me know people.HELP HELP...need the info.
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A. Ully
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gchemist
Dodge Dakota
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4/28/2003
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Give that truck a good tuneup. Change the oxygen sensor especially. That is a primary component of bad gas milage. Open up the exhaust too. Ditch the factory muffler and put on something better. Oh add a bed cover if possible too.
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4/29/2003
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Adam Ully,
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL INC. through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers, that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg).
Also, you did not mention what oil viscosity that you are currently using. Depending upon your driving habits, conditions, and climate ... switching viscosities can improve fuel economy also.
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Dak95
Dodge Dakota
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4/30/2003
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I get 16.5 mpg on my 95 CC 4X4 3.9L Auto
Dakota's aren't known for the greatest milage, get a 4cyl 5 speed Ferd if that's what you need. My truck has to work for a living, I'm happy with the gas milage!
P.S.- I think the V8 gets better mileage.......
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doh
Dodge Dakota
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5/01/2003
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I gotta 97 3.9 cc stock getting 22.5 mpg hiway,18.7 combined,17 city. only 65000 on the clock. If you ain't getten those numbers HAha!
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spitz
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2003
14:47:03
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hey steven if you see this i ordered a amsoil catalog last week and never recieved it. going to change oil in the next week and need it to order from. or could you just give me the 97 3.9L oil filter number and i'll order it online along with the oil thanks
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whyr
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2003
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I always babied my 2001 3.9 V6 Dakota trying to get as much mileage as possible. Slowly the performance started to slip.
Then I made a 14 hour, 85 mph round trip run, to Moab, Utah. I was carrying about 400 lbs of dirt bike, gear, and tools. When I pulled in the driveway I changed the oil and filter.
The next day when I drove the truck it was a completely different truck. It revved easier, Idled smoother, and had much better power.
Sometimes you gotta take it out and blow out the cobwebs.
I learned my lesson.
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AmsoilSponsor
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5/03/2003
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spitz,
You requested your catalog on April 22 to be exact. It takes approximately 7-10 days for you to actually receive the catalog. If you have not received it yet, maybe it will show up in your mailbox today. If not, send me an Email and let me know and I will call you and help with the order.
Or, you can click below and go to my website and thru to the Amsoil Store, there is an "Oil Filter & Air Filter Search" function on the "Filters and Filtration Products (including Oil Analysis)" link so that you can look up specific part numbers. To answer your question:
Dodge Dakota 1997 V6 3.9L
Amsoil Oil Filter # SDF42
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Latifah - 3.9
Dodge Dakota
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5/03/2003
16:03:36
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Here is what I have heard about Amsoil.
A friend and I were speaking to a mechanic friend about oils and he said that of all the motors he had torn apart, one stuck out in his mind. It was a Ford Taurus 3.0. The owner had been a firm believer in Amsoil products and followed the extended drain intervals recommended by Amsoil. At approx 95,000 miles, the engine started to knock and was torn apart. He said the inside of the engine was completely filthy and covered with sludge. He has also torn apart similar engines with 2 1/2 times the mileage and found them to be much cleaner and to have much less wear than the Amsoil engine...and these engines were using conventional oils. He also stated that the engines he had torn down using Mobil 1 were the cleanest and had the least wear.
I have also spoken to a head GM engineer who has been in the business for 20+ years. He says that Amsoil's claims that you don't have to change it for 25,000 miles is bogus. He said it would be fine for the normal 3,000-7,500 mile change intervals but if you go any more than that, "you are looking for major engine trouble".
Personally, I use Royal Purple Synthetic oils and change every 5,000 miles. I think I will stick with that.
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AmsoilSponsor
DakotaEnthusiast
5/03/2003
20:02:42
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Latifa,
Amsoil has two Extended Drain Oils ... 25k miles & 35k miles ... and for the record --- Redline Oil just came out with a report stating their oils were capable of Extended Drains. Mobil1 years ago had a 25k mile Extended Drain Oil. Amsoil is not alone in realizing this is possible. So tell your friend the customers probably DID NOT FOLLOW DIRECTIONS, or there was another cause. PLEASE READ BELOW:
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I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil change is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) ---
Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
Let me know if you need additional information.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Latifah - 3.9
Dodge Dakota
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5/03/2003
20:36:13
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Okay, I spoke to my friend today to clarify things. The engine in the Taurus had 63,000 miles not 95,000 like I thought. The car was used for mostly highway miles and was on it's third fill of Amsoil. The guy who owned it did do the recommended filter changes. What the deal was, was the it was starting to get noisy and lose power and run rough so the engine was opened up. The mechanic found that the cams were all worn down because of improper lubrication. This was attributed to not changing oil often enough. Like I said before, the inside of the engine was very dirty and sludgy also. Needless to say, the owner of the vehicle swore off Amsoil products and gets more miles out of his engines now.
I know someone else who does LOTS of travelling, about 75-80,000 miles per year. He had a 1985 Olds Regency with the 3.8L V6. He always used Mobil 1 synthetic and changed it every 15,000 miles. The engine threw a rod at 292,000 miles. The only reason for this was because the nylon gears on the oil pump had worn down and starved the engine of oil pressure. He now drives a 1992 Buick Park Avenue with the 3800 Series 1 V6. It had about 275,000 miles and was still going strong with the same maintenance the Regency got last time I spoke to him.
Perhaps the reason Mobil 1 quit advertising 25,000 mile drain intervals was because they realized it WAS NOT GOOD FOR THE ENGINES!
As far as I am concerned, Mobil 1 and Royal Purple are far superior oils to Amsoil. I would use conventionals before touching Amsoil. I am a firm believer that Pennzoil is a very poor oil and would rate Amsoil right down there with it.
Anyone want any snake oil (Amsoil)?
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hkdak
Dodge Dakota
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5/04/2003
09:26:44
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Latifah - 3.9,
You are always quoteing "friends" and not experts.
I suggest you get better friends or better advice.
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5/04/2003
11:22:58
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Latifah, and everyone else:
I don't know why we got off the subject of fuel economy and onto "flaming Amsoil" because one particular customer DID NOT follow dirrections.
REPEAT: ***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE ***** :
The ability to extend drains to the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! (Even Redline recently stated their oils were CAPABLE of 25k miles - so it is no joke - Extended Drains are a FACT, if you use the proper oil and follow directions). One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions), and only after you have established ... "through oil analysis" that your particular vehicle can "go the distance".
WHAT AMSOIL SAYS:
** PLEASE READ AMSOIL RECOMMENDATIONS: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
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This being said ...
The customer in question had 63k on the odometer (first you said 95k, and I guess the next time it will be lower still).
Assuming 63k on odometer, changing oil every 10k miles (approx 2-3 x manufacturers recommendations) would have resulted in 6.3 changes. CUSTOMER ONLY CHANGED 3 TIMES. ONLY 3 vs. Amsoils recommendation of 6.3.
*** The ability to extend drains to the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! (read above) ***
*** Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation ***
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Had the customer changed his oil every 3k miles, the customer would have performed 21 OIL CHANGES vs. Amsoil's RECOMMENDED 6.3
CUSTOMER ONLY PERFORMED 3. Repeat ... ONLY 3 Oil Changes.
The customer is at fault, not me, not Amsoil.
... 21 "dino" OIL CHANGES VS. 6.3 Synthetic Oil Changes. Do you now grasp "one" of the VALUES of Synthetic Oil? How much money would you actually save (not including the inherent benefits of synthetics)?
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Mobilman
Dodge Dakota
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5/04/2003
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I never drain my oil, I change my filter at 3k miles or 6 mo. and top off with fresh M1 10w-30 now have 110k and runs strong as day one !!
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SuperBee
Dodge Dakota
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5/04/2003
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do liek i do, DONT CHANGE OIL FILL THE ENGINE WITH THE PISS FROM THIS CONTEST!
hehehehe
not to bash any oil, i jsut put in whatever, and its still going at 150,000
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Gerry
Dodge Dakota
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8/09/2003
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After using Amsoil 5w30 in my wife's Cavalier, gas mileage went up from 27 mpg to 31 mpg. I'm starting to see the benefits of this stuff already!
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J and J Auto
Dodge Dakota
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8/09/2003
22:21:11
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My 1995 4X4 was pulling 21.8 to 22.4 on the
highway.
I run all Amsoil synthetics and a Extang tuff
tonno III cover The oil gave me 1mpg and the
cover around 1.5mpg before this my best was
19mpg
I am testing a system right now on my truck put
156 miles on it 90% backroad driving lots of
corners and hills and pulled 24mpg.
I don't want to name the system becase there are
to many sceptical people here and I need to do
more testing on my truck and another vehical
before I release any info but so far its working
very well.
The set up cost $135 and will give you anywhere
between 10 to 20% better gas milage, I jumped
2.2mpg with the system
Larry
J&J Auto
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KurtV
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2003
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It is my 25 years of experience that says that any non-turbo engine can go 7500 miles under normal-(ish) conditions between oil changes.
Those of you with short memories may force yourselves to remember that in 1990 this was the standard recommendation for any non-turbo motor.
The new 3k rule is just a trick to get you into jiffy-lube more regularly.
I recently put to bed my 1989 Toyota with 251,000 Miles on it.. Changed every 10k miles using standard T-Rex guts. In heavy Los Angeles Commute traffic.
3k my pale white butt.
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8/10/2003
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Gerry,
It is always great to see that someone has switched to Amsoil, and I don't want to take anything away from that. Though it has been demonstrated that switching to synthetics does increase MPG in most cases, I am not a believer in HUGE MPG increases when switching to synthetic lubricants, (your MPG increase is 15%), and I believe there may be other contributing factors.
If you fill up at a warmer part of the day one week compared to the previous week you can sometimes see a huge fluctuation in MPG just based on that.
Also, the pump may have stopped pumping sooner this week compared to last, making it "seem" like you used less gallons of fuel.
Also, I've observed a MPG increase when switching grades (5w-30 compared to 10w-40).
In conclusion, switching to synthetics (in most cases) does lead to an increase of MPG, however I feel that your HUGE increase of 15% might be due to other contributing factors as well.
I am stating all of this so that others don't think that they can or should expect the same 15% increase.
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Richard
Dodge Dakota
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8/18/2003
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Have a question...
I have a 2001 Dakota Club Cab with the 3.9L V6. In 4/03, I got a check engine light. The dealer found code for evap leak (po442) stating there was a large leak and found the purge soleniod line was cracked. Repairs were made (under warranty - mileage 17,453).
Then, in 8/03, I got light again. Dealer replaced evap hose, plug wires and #5 plug (again under warranty - mileage 20,764).
All services have been conducted per manual. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what this problem is and what I can do to stop it from happening every few months. The dealer is not able to explain it to me.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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hater
Dodge Dakota
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8/19/2003
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Our product is better blah blah blah ....
There product is junk blah blah blah ....
If you have problems it's your fault not ours blah blah blah ....
Hey AmsoilSponsor ....
STFU!
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jeremy
Dodge Dakota
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8/19/2003
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hey hater, learn to read buddy, he never once said that. I personally don't use amsoil and i don't intend to. My father in law owns and engine manufacturing shop, and we've tested several sythentic and dyno oils. the differences in the sythentics were pretty much negligible. Just because mobile 1 spends a fortune on advertising doesn't mean it's the best, and just because amsoil uses the weird dealer marketing aproach doesn't mean it's a scam. Royal purple is a racing oil, and isn't really a good choice for our daily drivers. Amsoil is a great product, but in my experience so is pennzoil, quaker state, mobile 1, etc....
steve, have you ever heard of SFR?
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93Dak
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8/19/2003
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I have a 93, extended cab, 4x4 with the 3.9 and automatic tranny, and I get 18 while towing my Seadoo on the highway. I also have a tonneau cover. This truck was rated at 14 and 18 when it was new, so I'm happy with it.
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cooner
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8/19/2003
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98 DAk 2whl 85k
Just got it 2 months ago and am satisfied
with mileage, about20mpg av.
I use 5w30 whatever and change at 3k.
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Anonymous
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2003
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dear hater, The Amsoil Guy is a paying member and a paying advertiser. You are not even a paying member so don't complain. Plus he offered good comments prior to talking about the benefits of synthetics. Become a paying member for god's sake.
Why do you hate? Were you unloved as a child ?
Go Amsoil .... Go Amsoil .... Go Amsoil ....
Who let the dogs out ??? .... wuff .. wuff wuff wuff
Who let the dogs out ??? .... wuff .. wuff wuff wuff
Go Amsoil .... Go Amsoil .... Go Amsoil ....
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Deep Purple
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8/21/2003
07:55:25
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Did the best mileage so far. 23.5mpg on a road trip of 221 miles I used 9.38 gallons of gas. That's since I added headers and changed to Amsoil.
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2003
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just started checking my mileage 19.8 mpg. bought '00 QC 3.9 5 spd 24 gall tank in Jan. w/ 19,000 on the odo. i drive 40 miles a day round trip to work and drive like i want to.
IAT mod, adjusted TPS to .755, dino oil. not bad i think. will only get better when i'm finished.
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