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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
11:27:19
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87 dakota 3.9 v6 4 wheel drive carb. start up cold go about 9 miles and she will surge then stall let sit few minutes and she will fire up again and go a little ways then surge and stall again and so on and so on. when stalls still has spark and getting gas could it be vapor locking or something?
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BB2DAK
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
12:39:58
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One thing to check would be the ballast resistor.
I had a similar problem with a 1978 Dodge Aspen.
It had a bad ballast resistor. The ballast resistor is usually mounted on the firewall.
It is a white block with a wire attached on each end.
In my case, the seal on the back of the resistor had failed, and let water into it.
When the resistor heated up it caused a short, and the engine would quit.
A new ballast resistor runs about $5.00
I also found this post about a dakota with starting problems that turned out to be a bad
distributor.
Just a few things to try. Good Luck !
http://www.misterfixit.com/88-dodge.htm
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Metalgreendak
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
15:41:33
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Nope its the fuel pump I bet because my 87 did the same thing to me about a year ago and all you have to do is take off the fuel tank and put a new one in but im totally sure thats what it is
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
17:59:22
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it has the manual fuel pump and has been replaced and I don't think it has a ballast resistor
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
15:16:35
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dodges arent supposed to last that long
get a newer one
im sure u could find a 97 v6 for not that much
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
16:54:21
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I JUST BOUGHT THIS TRUCK AND ARN'T GOING TO GIVE UP ON IT YET SO F*** OFF AND IF U CAN HELP ME THEN DO IT BUT DON'T JUST SAY ALL THIS POINTLES B.S!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
12/22/2001
00:36:36
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Had a Piece of chevy that did that. Try Loosening the gas cap. If it works, that should give you a place to start.
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/23/2001
10:51:00
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tried loosening cap didn't help
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Metalgreendak
Dodge Dakota
12/23/2001
23:47:07
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I know you have to pump the gas its a carb but inside the (GAS TANK) you know the thing that the engine gets fuel from. Their is a pump that sucks out the fuel well on older vehicles that have been through their share of gas (and the pump rusts to )shiznit starts to build up on the bottom of the plastic tank yes it does and when the pump sucks for lets say 9 miles that stuff at the bottom is suddenly at the top and clogging the pump so the engine doesn't get anymore gas and when the truck is shut off it goes back to the bottom just to get sucked up again and again so drain the gas and check the pump its like 40 bucks. THANK YOU
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/26/2001
12:32:02
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it does not have a pump in the tank it is on the motor
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
12/26/2001
17:59:18
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Only other thing I can think of is the catalytic converter. If it has one. Heard of it heating up and killing the engine. Almost seems like you're running out of gas.
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fuel filter
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
02:36:37
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fuel filter. cost about 5 bucks
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
08:39:25
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C'MON i AM NOT A COMPLEATE MORON OF COURSE i HAVE TRIED THE FEUL PUMP ALREADY I ALSO HAVE REPLACED THE PICK UP COIL,REBUILT THE CARB. AND LOT OF OTHER $HIT
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Bruce
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
20:35:19
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You say your getting fuel and spark, then why the heck are you looking at the fuel pump and
ignition for????
You say it takes about nine miles before it acts up. seems like a timed event. This sounds as if you have a fuel type of problem (a leaning out or running rich problem). If it was a electrical problem,such as a distributor pick-up or computer, then the problem would not be a timed event that you described, but rather a unpredictable event.
1. Oxygen sensor can be getting a false reading. Disconnect your air pump belt and try driving, you
may have a diverted valve problem. If the valve is stuck, then the O2 sensor will be getting a false
lean reading, causing your engine to flood out and stall.
2. If you have a automatic transmission, make sure the lock up torque convertor is not staying on
coming to a stop, this may cause a stalling problem. Disconnect the relay next to the starter relay on the left fender, or disconnect the single wire connector on the transmission. And see if this cures it. Note that just because you disconnected the wire does not necessarily mean you eliminated the lock up feature. The hydraulics may still be leaking passed internally inside the transmission causing the lock-up to stay on. The lock up is suppose to disengage on decel, or when the brake is applied. It is not even suppose to be on under 40 mph.
3. You may have a choke problem. make sure you have enough spring tension on the choke when
cold, otherwise if there is no tension cold, then replaced the thermostatic pull off. Another trick is to lift the thermostatic pulloff higher off of the manifold by placing two washers under the pulloff base.
These will act as shims and increase the tension, thus the choke will stay on a bit longer. You should also pry the electrical element away from the tensioned coil to delay the heating process as well.
4. For a vapor lock fix add a restriction in the fuel return line at the fuel filter. The fuel filter has a built in orifice, but is not small enough in some cases. This will help prevent vapor locks.
5. Intake may not be heating up fast enough. Your heat riser may be seized, or the headed cross over
passage in the intake maybe plugged. start the cold engine and monitor the warm up process. monitor the temp of the intake manifold at the base of the carb. It should warm up in about 5 mins. If not then the manifold may be plugged with carbon. Another way to see if it is plugged is to apply vacuum to the EGR valve, this should cause the engine to run a bit rough, if not die out. If this doesn't effect the idle, then the manifold is likely plugged.
6. Your carb might be icing up. Make sure the heated air intake is working, this is the tube running from the exhaust stove to the air intake filter housing. Feel the housing during the first 5-10 mins from a cold start, it should be warm, if not then the air cleaner sensor ay need replacement. Make sure all the vacuum lines are correctly routed to the air door to the air sensor, to the carb. Make sure the air
door works when vacuum is applied.
7. If all else fails, take it to a Dodge dealership and have them test it out. Leave it over night at the dealership so they can drive it from a cold start. Be patient but persistent with the dealership. It may cost you a small amount, but it will be well worth the money as these guys are trained for these type of problems.
Let me know how or what you do.
Bruce
1987 4X4 Dakota original owner
229906 Miles
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Grandpa
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
23:04:16
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Sounds like what happend to me when I had water in my gas. Ice forms on the carb, when you stop it melts. Try some additive to "dry" you tank. Worked for me. I lived in Freeport & So. Portland for a year. Nice country.
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Bruce
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
01:01:52
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8. Your EGR valve may also be sticking open (mechanical and or a miss routed vacuum line can be the source) which will cause your problem.
Note: Carburetor icing is not caused by water in the fuel, but a drop in atmospheric pressure. Your carburetor has a drop in atmospheric pressure at the venturi. When the pressure drops, moisture forms and condenses, and thus ice develops at the throttle blade. This build up of ice causes a restriction in airflow past the throttle blade, which leads to stalling. To help prevent the ice from building up, the air is heated through the heat riser valve and the heated air intake tube from the exhaust to the air cleaner assembly.
Donald, if you had water in you fuel, then you would probably have a frozen, and or blocked fuel line which would result in a no start. Only remedy for a frozen fuel line is to park the truck in a warm garage to thaw it out, then add gas line antifreeze to the tank. Make sure the anti freeze is does not contain methyl alcohol, as this is very corrosive to metal parts. Use additives that only contain isopropyl alcohol.
DO NOT USE TOO MUCH ALCOHOL IN YOUR FUEL AS THIS CAN LEAD TO ENGINE DAMAGE FROM PRE-IGNITION (pinging). USE ONLY ENOUGH TO REMOVE THE WATER. READ THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE.
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
18:59:31
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THANKS ALL I HAVE FIXED IT SOME @$$HOLE FRIGED UP MY TRUCK THEY PUT A CUP OF DIRT AND METAL SHAVINGS IN MY TANK AND PLUGED THE FILTER IN THE TANK! THANKS ALL
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Bruce
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
19:38:31
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Nice to hear that you fixed your problem, but its funny how you originally said you had spark and still had FUEL when your truck kept stalling out. If you had a plugged filter, how the heck did you still manage to have fuel at the carb?
Something funny here???
Really funny????
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
19:45:19
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Thats probably cause youre such a fu cking prick.
posting messages calling us a bunch of ass holes or whatever.
If Donald Parsons is youre real name,-I doubt it- go find a forum that tolerates that crap. We have enough probs on this site with all the name stealing, psycho babble, B.S.
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Donald Parson
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
19:48:57
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dit was still getting gas but not enough
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
21:05:16
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Why dont you learn to spell, you ignorant rude SOB!. Llblackdak was just ribbing you.
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