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LI Blackdak
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8/26/2002
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1/8 mile: 10.62 @ 65.41mph
1000 Foot: 13.87
1/4 Mile: 16.64 @ 81.1mph
with all the mods on that engine you would think it would be just a bit faster then that. he would only take me by like a car length at this point. you better get workin on that V6 turbo fast.
sounds like ur 0-60* would be like 10 seconds. maybe you should race some jeep liberties instead of your usual V8 daks and s10s.
so how long before the V6 turbo anyway??
better question, when are you gonna give us the 1/4 mile and hp of R/T-2 with 8 psi?
*0-60 being my favorite way to annoy car fanatics.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/26/2002
11:35:21
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i doubt ull answer this but on your page u say something to the effect of if this were a V6 standard cab sport it would be in the low 16s. now what i dont get is why it being a sport matters? are SLTs slower or is it just that u cant get a RC SLT?
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sicminds
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8/26/2002
14:39:17
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you can get a slt rc, check my profile
now you know thats..................
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Rob
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8/26/2002
15:26:11
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16.6 with NO TURBO AND NO NITROUS is good on a V-6.
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n8 dawg
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8/26/2002
18:00:19
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umg.....my truck ran a 16.39 @81 back in march, doesnt have to many mods, ran it again bout a month ago and ran a 17.4@79(added a v8 tb and ran slower?).....but somethin wrong with my truck right now.....seems like your truck would be faster than that bernd? but also back in march it was like -30º =)
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IntenseDak39
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8/26/2002
18:43:14
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yeah guys... down here in texas its 97 degrees outside with 80% humidity.
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92dakotahd
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8/26/2002
23:27:53
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If that's bernds truck (CC) then the faster times for the RC might pertain to the 400lbs. weight difference.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/26/2002
23:42:37
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no i mean why did he say sport?
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POWER HUNGRY
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8/27/2002
00:42:14
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Is that his truck or the companies truck? On the speedtweaks web site it says" OUR DAKOTA"! With all the mods you do, you should be in the high 15's NA. It would have been Cheaper to do a crate motor! What is with the turbo kit it has been over 3 weeks since you've posted some new info? I saw on another post that you were going to charge over $6,000 for the turbo kit, is that so? For $6,000 I could build a 500 ci. big block with 600HP from people like INDY OR MUSCLE MOTORS and do 10's!!!
Another thing is you can't compare kits that cost 2 GRAND LESS to a turbo kit, especially if it doesn't have the #'s!
I could probably make a 600HP kit for that much with one of the other forced induction packages! With an extra 2G's I could easily make a whipple kit with an extra 100HP&100ft-lbs of TQ at the same cost! Mainly with low CR pistons and F.A.S.T. Programmable engine system!
I'am not saying that turbos are not good, I know they make the most HP's, but the cost per HP/TQ is all that matters!!!! The low/mid range is the most important to me(1800-3700rpm's)the old school muscle cars tha jump side ways when you hit the throttle is what I'm looking for.
I hope the kit is what it could be, but I know I can't afford it!!
I know all motor will be too expensive to make any real HP. Forced induction is the only way to go for a reasonable amount of money, unless you go for cubic inches right off the bat, like the 408 stroker motors and that will cost alot more than the turbo kit(SHORT BLOCK COST OVER $4500 AND THE HEADS AT $1600+, CAM+VAVLE TRAIN AT $800+, INTAKE COST ANOTHER $600 FOR TB AND INTAKE PLUS THE $260 CPU ANYWAY!!
I have read post about guys that probably spent $3000 on mods already and can't even back the 300hp mark. I think thats a waste and won't be sucked in to that mess. I am waiting for something worth my money. I refuse to spend $500 for 5 HP like most guys.
I won't go for the paxtons and vortechs because of thier top-end only power. I like the whipple(kenne bell blowzilla kit, but they don't make a kit for the 93' dakota I have.
I won't even consider the "part time power" of nos, all the time power is all that counts! "THE TRACK #'S DON'T MEAN SH!T IF YOU CAN'T RUN IT ON THE STREET ALL THE TIME!"
I guess I will have to wait till something thats worth it comes along :(
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
01:20:54
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well i have my problems here and i agree he should be running 15s but the kit is gonna be ~3500 and its gonna and like 190 hp to the 5.9 and like 125 to the V6. i think it will be worth it. hes comparing a lower boost level. if that rt is at 340 hp with 5 psi what do you think will happen at 8 psi?? 460 most likey....would be nice to see a new dyno though bernd. but get ur shit strait. for what bernd has put in his truck u could get a big a$$ crate moter but i dont think that is what he wanted to do.
hey people question...how does a V6 4x4 with intake and exhaust compare to a stock 2wd V6?
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99DakJR
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
07:50:09
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I have a 4x4...
15.78@87 on 100hp shot of nos
Roughly 16.9 no nitrous (times were from 16.8
to 17.1) (on 75 shot i rana 17.00 but it was
running so rich that without the nitrous i ran
the same time and faster!)
Mods: JS Racing intake, OBX Bomb exhaust,
MSD, JBA Headers...only big mods.
Something doesnt look right on Bernd's
numbers. I too thought he would be faster, but
then again that motor was made for boost
and made to respond to boost, so i think we
should all just be patient till he puts the kit on,
then blackdak you can b*tch when Bernd hits
13.xx in a club cab V6!
Josh
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
09:14:57
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id love to see bernd hit 13.xx but i highly doubt he's gonna do that. his numbers never come out as high as he expects them to(he said hit V6 would be 250 hp NA) from the sound of it he's not close to that. Sounds more like 200 hp to me. although i think someone once said that 97-99 daks were slower then 00-02 daks. maybe he sux at shifting. but look at intensedak he claims to run even with an R/T w/o Nitrous and he has an auto!(granted his truck weighs quite a bit less)but he has less mods then bernd i think(unless he is supercharged now). Point is with that much work bernd should be running high 15s not high 16s. Never know though. personally i think he's gonna need some N2O to hit 13s beacause hit truck is too heavy.
hes bernd though...he's full of surprises.
u guys ever notice how moody i am...geez. one minute im hurling childish insults and the next im just saying semi normal stuff...having a crush on twins will screw with your head a bit though..hehehe
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IntenseDak39
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8/27/2002
10:34:30
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Ll Blackdak,
its really not that bernd has more mods than me... its that we have different mods on different parts of our trucks. First off i am lighter, like you mentioned. He probably weighs 4300 lbs wet and i no more than 3700 lbs. Thats a 600 lb difference and would be like a 60 hp increase on my truck. Bernd has a really built up motor but i dont think its ready for power yet. Most of the stuff thats done to it is to respond to boost (i.e. ported/polished heads, his camshaft, big throttle body, 24 lb injectors). He does have a lot of stuff like an aftermarket water cooler that in my opinion doesnt do anything. His truck was made to be a company vehicle that he uses for work. He has a 200lb toolbox in the back (not good for racing). My truck has been modified to be fastest going in a straight line. On all my runs i used slicks (except for the first 10.051) but i have an open differential... bernd doesnt have slicks but has a limited slip. SOOOOOO my guess is that he will get pretty close to 13.xx with a turbo kit but his truck will need a diet. My goal this fall is a 12.xx... hehehe
btw... where did you get that bernd ran a 16.6? i was just curious because i didnt see it posted anywhere and he didnt tell me about it... probably because i would give em hell!
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
11:28:27
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its near the bottom
http://www.speedtweaks.net/OurDak.htm
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dodgeboy
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8/27/2002
11:33:53
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heh..he told me...can ya feel the love intense?..lol
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LI Blackdak
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8/27/2002
12:05:19
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CCs really weigh 400 lbs more then RCs. but like my truck is a CC 4x4 and its curb weight is only ~4100. i dont know how much it weighs with gas and me in it but doesnt that mean that 4wd only adds cause it is like the same weight as bernds truck with his tool box. actually maybe 4x4 adds 400 cause i guess bernd weighs a bit also. only time my truck was on a scale it cam out to 6300lbs (about 700lbs of passengers and a bed full of garbage) lol at a dump in north carolina. if im not mistaken it shouldnt ever get up that high...opps oh well seemed to handle the weight ok. so if i have this weight thing correct my truck with fuel and me would only out weight bernd by roughly 300-400 lbs...right...that isnt very much
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LI Blackdak
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8/27/2002
12:08:04
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ok back to 4x4 daks not being race cars...what else besides an extra 400 or so lbs makes them that much slower then 2wd V6s what that like .2-.3 seconds in the 1/4 mile? so i say if its ok to try to make a 2wd v6 dak fast, then why isnt it ok to do it to a 4x4. i feel that right now i could take out a 2wd dak CC V6
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
12:21:10
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as far as 0-60 and 1/4 mile times i would think it would go like this(for automatics cept I4)
2x4 CC I4 13.5-14.5 high 18s
2x4 RC I4 13-14 mid 18s
4x4 QC V6 12-13 low 18s
4x4 CC V6 11-12 high 17s
4x4 RC V6 10.5-11.5 mid 17s
2x4 QC V6 10.5-11.5 mid 17s
2x4 CC V6 9.5-10.5 low 17s
2x4 RC V6 9-10 high 16s
4x4 QC V8 5.9 7.5-8.5 low 16s??
4x4 QC 4.7 8.5-9.5 mid 16s
4x4 CC 4.7 8-9 mid to low 16s
4x4 RC 4.7 7.5-8.5 low 16s
2x4 QC 4.7 7.4(from mt) mid 15s
2x4 CC 4.7 low 7s low 15s
2x4 RC 4.7 6.75-7.25 low 15s to high 14s
R/T CC 6.5-7 low 15s
R/T RC ~6.5 high 14s
anything blaringly wrong here??
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BlackDakRacer
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8/27/2002
14:04:25
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um, everything Ll go back to your hole!
~~Eric
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LI Blackdak
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8/27/2002
14:15:11
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i cant. it got filled in :-(
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Todd W
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8/27/2002
16:21:23
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Doh!
"I think I hit my excitement threshold about ten minutes ago..."
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LI Blackdak
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8/27/2002
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go fuck yourself
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IntenseDak39
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8/27/2002
18:52:37
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there are several things that make them slower...
1. weigh more
2. bigger tires (decreases numerical gear ratio)
3. more drivetrain (decreases rwhp)
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POWER HUNGRY
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8/27/2002
19:42:07
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No way is the kit going to make 460hp with only 8psi on a stock engine. Thier web site says that they expect to get 35 more hp with the missing boost for a total around 375hp. The 460hp is for what they think they will get after "(( Mopar Performance "R/T" Heads, ARP Studs, Custom ground camshaft (CompCams), M1-2BBL MPI Manifold, 52mm TB, 10# boost, larger Y-Pipe, and a much more free-flowing exhaust. Once these modifications are installed, we can definitely count on more than 460HP at the crank.))"
I doubt the stock engine kit will cost less than $4,000 since they had to make thier own headers, tubing and it's a twin turbo setup not a single.
It would be nice to see a street/daily driver v6 truck running below 14sec. I only look at what it cost to do it.
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LI Blackdak
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8/27/2002
20:19:13
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well what ever happens i think a 275-325 hp V6 dak would be pretty awesome. it sounds like at 8 psi my 4x4 will take out an R/T. If it did that id be happy. i want my 0-60 under 7 seconds and my 1/4 like 14.8. if the turbo would do that to my truck it would be worth 3500-4500.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
20:20:56
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ok say what you want about me but at least i dont subject u to that
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Bernd
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8/27/2002
21:25:48
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I see the twists in the story already from certain (uninformed) people.
(1) The truck ran the 16.6 for the first time at the track without any tuning (needed a baseline)
(2) The engine is built for boost (and not 8# either - 12-15# is what we're planning on)
(3) R/T-2 is getting the boost controllers installed this weekend...and time permitting, will be run down the track.
(4) LI BlackDak stated: "he would only take me by like a car length at this point" - Damn...your truck is slow! ;)
(5) I was already in the mid 14's with 10# boost and a small shot of nitrous for intercooling - 12-15# boost from a Turbo is going to put the TQ and HP curves much more "flat" and will definitely put her in the 13's...without nitrous (and the motor can still handle the nitrous - that's why the all the mods to the short block).
PowerHungry: Are you basing the HP figures from the 10# boost from a Supercharger? If so...remember the HP/TQ loss from the belt drives. None with a turbo...and they build more HP/TQ than a Supercharger with less effort (we already proved that one).
Next question???
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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POWER HUNGRY
Dodge Dakota
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8/27/2002
22:13:19
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So how much is the kit going to be? ballpark.
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IntenseDak39
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8/30/2002
15:45:11
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okay bernd... i got a question.
why does your website say:
" Update 08/16/02
We finally have the engine TUNED where we want it so it was time to take it to the track to see what she can do (normally aspirated)."
but on 8-27-02 you posted
"(1) The truck ran the 16.6 for the first time at the track without any TUNING(needed a baseline)"
hehehe sorry bernd i just saw that and had to fuk with you!
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kota on 20s
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8/31/2002
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is it going to be your daily driver @ 12-15psi?
did you do anything to prevent the block from cracking again?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
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