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chris
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6/14/2002
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Will the jet stage 2 chip be compatible with 19# fuel injectors? I just got some injectors from fiveomotorsports and then read a post where you told a guy with a V8 that 24# injectors do not work well with the chip. I have a V6 with k&n cold air intake, v8tb, jba headers, jet stg 2 chip (just put it on), and delta 50 flowmaster exhaust as well. Are all of those mods compatible with the chip as well?
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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6/14/2002
18:55:04
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dont think so
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chris
Dodge Dakota
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6/14/2002
18:58:55
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dont think so what? The injectors or the other mods?
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Todd W
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6/14/2002
22:36:22
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#24 injectors probally don't work well with anything unless you have a Super/Turbo. It'll run -way- to rich otherwise. The 19lbs should work fine, since they aren't any bigger than stock, just better matched and with better 'spray'.
'00 RC Sport Forest Green, 3.9L, 5-speed 3.55, Hurst Comp-Plus Shifter, Clear-Corners, Speed-Glo gauges, Airaid Intake with relocated IAT, Autolite 3923s, Ported Throttle Body, Borg & Warner Cap/Rotor, Accel Coil, JBA 9mm Wires, JET Stage II
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Tom Slick
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6/15/2002
02:12:19
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Bernd and I are both running 24# injectors right now( put them in on thursday... he's got a JET 2, and I've got the Mopar PCM... we are both normally aspirated right now, and they seem to be working fine at this point... only time will truely tell...
Later!
Tom "Slick"
96 Dakota Sport 5.2 RC SB
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Bernd
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6/15/2002
09:02:28
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Yes...the Jet Stage-II is compatible with the FMS 19# injectors (I was running them on my new engine with the Jet Stage-II). I'm now running 24# injectors (man they made a big difference) with the Jet Stage-II and it's still responding perfectly.
I know someone's going to ask so here goes: I installed the 24# injectors on my naturally aspirated engine due to the ported heads and (much) larger camshaft...I was having lean out problems with the 19# injectors and the 24# injectors totally cleared it up. Much better acceleration as well. For the stock engine...it's not required unless you're running a supercharger (or turbo).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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IntenseDak39
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6/15/2002
18:13:19
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i have had the 24# injectors on for about 2 weeks now and havent noticed a big difference in fuel economy. But they seem to help out a lot!
Bernd,
wasnt that injector swap so much fun?
intensedak
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Bernd
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6/15/2002
19:00:09
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Hehehehe...40 minutes for two trucks (injector swaps). Not bad time! :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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MightyDakSXT
GenIII
6/15/2002
19:50:45
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Is it true that you can't put FMS #19 injectors on a 2002?
2002 SXT, 3.9 Liter V6, RC, 5-speed, 3.55 rear, Extang Tonneau, Autolite 3923 Plugs, Borg Warner Cap & Rotor, Quick D Intake, Modified V8 TB, Gibson Catback Exhaust, Robert Shaw 180 Degree T-stat, Custom Grille
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IntenseDak39
*GenIII*
6/15/2002
21:50:16
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You can but you have to get the newer style injector.
Bernd,
if you were off the d@mn phone it would have been faster.... and if Toms truck wasnt a genII ;-)
intensedak39
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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6/15/2002
22:27:10
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heh..wonder how mine will run with the 19# fms injectors... ported heads, intake manifold, tb and 200/206 504/512 112cl cam....I had a feeling that it may need more fuel....
hey..be easy on the gen 2's...ya may just be seeing some of their tail lights
here it is,,get used to it..lol
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Lesley
GenIII
6/16/2002
00:31:52
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Very nice butt you have there dodgeboy. :)
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55, Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL & tip, V8 TB, FMS 19 lb fuel injectors, 17" Boyd Coddington Smoothies, JBA 9mm cables, Lakewood chrome traction bars. Have, but not installe
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2002
00:49:38
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ohhh..Why thank you Lesley...the rear of my truck isnt to bad either ;)
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Pistolero
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2002
01:32:15
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The information that I have is that the XL2E Design III 19# injectors are the proper ones for the 2000+ normally aspirated V6's...XR3E 24# for extensive mods.
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Tom Slick
GenII
6/16/2002
04:09:51
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Intense... don't be raggin' on my 96 Gen 2... It's part Gen 3, too...
he he he
Later!
Tom "Slick"
96 Dakota Sport 5.2 RC SB
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IntenseDak39
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6/16/2002
10:19:43
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Tom,
when bernd and i pulled your injectors out i gave a good look at them.... and dear god you needed new ones! There was so much crap inside them and i showed it to bernd... he was like "wow" suprised it ran!
dodgeboy,
i dont plan on looking at any genII @ss!
but does sound like you got something good going there!
intensedak39
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2002
14:11:32
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Most people dont plan on it...but it still happens =P
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sicminds
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6/16/2002
14:21:02
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bernd, you use a jet II?
I thought you said the IAT adjuster
does the same thing
now you know thats..................
sic
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Bernd
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6/17/2002
01:13:38
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Dodgeboy: Like crap...my cam is about the same and the 24# FMS injectors REALLY woke it up.
Pistolero: The factory injectors on the 2000+ models are 21# (not 19#...we had a set flow-tested). The factory injectors on the 2000+ models can handle a bit more than the older models...all you'll need to upgrade to are the 24# Design-III injectors from the Lincoln Navigators (100% plug and play).
Sic: Yes...I use the Jet-II along with my IAT Adjuster (have to...I haven't had an IAT sensor on my truck for almost two years now). IAT Adjuster is set at 80 degrees.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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PopGenie
Dodge Dakota
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6/17/2002
04:17:42
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Okay... if the factory ones are 21#, if I want to change them out to the FMS and use the 19# injector set, I'm pretty much shooting myself in the foot? Based on this, after I install my F&B throttle body and a newer larger air filter, should I use the 24# injector set? And if so, is it the XR3E or the F5DE? Just going by design numbers the DIII for the 19# is the XL2E, so I would guess the XR3E would be the one to go with, as it fits the new gen magnums.
Mike T.
01 CC Sport 6A 2WD
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Bernd
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6/17/2002
08:50:41
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We use the XR3E models - 2000 R/T and 2001 R/T.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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6/17/2002
10:51:06
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heh..I figured I should of bought some 24's...but everyone I talked to said 19's was all i needed,..ah well..guess I have a brand new set of 19's for sale..Thanks Bernd
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Pistolero
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6/18/2002
02:53:51
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I'm a bit confused now...Bernd, maybe you can clear this up a little more for us...this is the info in the email as I received it from Bruce Holt at fiveomotorsports.com...
"The D9B injectors are for earlier applications, pre-2000. The XL2E-19lb and XR3E-24lb injectors are the correct replacements for your 3.9. The XR3E, only after extensive mods."
Bruce Holt
I was under the impression that the XL2E 19# injectors would be the ones to use on regular 2000+ V6's in place of the stock injectors, given the fact that the 4 nozzle design is more efficient than the single nozzle design...but, you're saying that we should go ahead and use the 24# XR3E's anyway, even for mildly modded V6's? Would this cause a rich condition and throw a code?
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Bernd
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6/18/2002
09:11:02
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The V6 and V8 engines use the same injector (minus two on the V6...obviously). Same injector works on both.
For a mildly modified V6...the factory injectors are more than plenty. Unless you've changed the cam, modified the heads, are running a supercharger, or a combination of those...there's no need to change them.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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IntenseDak39
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6/18/2002
20:10:35
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yeah bernds right, the only reason i changed mine to the 24# is because i got them for free and it will be justified in future mods.
intensedak39
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Pistolero
Dodge Dakota
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6/19/2002
14:46:35
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So, let me make sure I have this right. Stock 2002 injectors are 21#, fine for mildly modded V6's...no advantage to changing to the 4 nozzle 19# XL2E's?
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