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Ryan Miller
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5/10/2002
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I was just wondering how many of you have raced v6 s-10s and rangers and won I have spanked a couple of rangers. But A 97 GMC sonoma ext auto beat me every time when My truck was bone stock v6 5 speed. I know that The dakota comes w/ the least amount of HP compared to the 4.3 and 4.0 V6 I dont know what the 3.0 V6 comes w/ any way Would love to know.
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tobadak
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5/10/2002
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the 3L ranger is a joke.it's a 4 cyl with torque.i had a 97 stepside regular cab.it had no guts.in 97 they had 130 hp.i don't know if they got better.as for s-10's my buddies all drive them.mines 4x4 and thiers are 2wheel but i race them anyway.the standards kick my butt and the automatics pull away but not by much.bottom line is,if you race a truck with a v6 make sure its a ranger cause that's about all that we have a chance with
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kryp2nite
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5/10/2002
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all we have a chance with stock
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Flash
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5/10/2002
22:04:57
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The Ranger with the 3.0 is a V6 and with the optional 4.10 gears and wider than stock tires, he will ALMOST but not quite stay with an RT. I use to have one. And my Bud has a 99 RT with headers, chip, 3.92, and bed cover. He would always take me in the quarter but he never pulled his drivers door past my front bumper. The stock axle for the Ranger is 3.55 and some are taller still. This makes them more easy pickin's for your Dak as the 3.0 likes lots of RPM's to get power. And he will weight in alot less.
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CHAD
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5/10/2002
22:24:48
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I have a hard time beleiving that an R/T cant smoke a 3.0 ranger. I have a 3.9 stock club cab and smoke em all the time. Even the new ones. I walked away from a GMC Sonoma ext cab pretty easy. The was the first and the last one I raced. I havnt gotten a chance to burn another one. I want to run with an extreme s-10
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tim
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5/10/2002
22:26:21
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having both 4.7 dak & 3.0 ranger it is amazing how much power that little 3.0v6 mkes ,i mean the block is only the size of a milk crate.dont get me wrong my dak is much stronger,but almost teice the size,dont think its twice as strong though.
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Ryan Miller
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5/11/2002
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Hey a s-10 extreme is nothing but a body kit and 16" tires (blah) They come w/ the Zq8 but thats it I used to have an SS It was nice and light but know you can get the ZQ8 in a 4 cyl and only one out of every 10 s-10s come w/ a V6s. Or it was at least that way in 00. The 4.3 is a real good motor Ive yet to see one that wasnt. I think Are damn Daks should come w/ more than 175hp (blah)I think they should bump up the HP on all 2 motors. I mean really every damn car and Mini Van that has a V6 comes w/ at least 200hp thats Horse $hit. and most of those motors are Smaller. I guess Im just a lil pissy about the hole thing. R/Ts Should have 330hp 4.7 260hp
and the 3.9 should have 215hp. Thats just What I think, and I dont think it would be that hard
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Waltherone
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5/11/2002
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lol, it WOULDN'T be that hard, all we gotta do is copy the japs. Model it after a supra or 300zx v6 and voila, more than 200HP
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Ryan Miller
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5/11/2002
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ford 4.0 207 hp GM 3.8 V6 200 hp Nissan Altama 240 HP 4.2 Mustang V6 190 hp GM 4.3 180-190 hp
I just think we are a lil behind BUT I do love my dak and will do what I Can I really think Im just going to work on making it look good If I want somthing faster I need a R/T or a the new dodge Ram w/ the V-10.
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IntenseDak39
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5/11/2002
19:19:33
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something that you have to realize is that our engine is older than all of those engines... and that the ones that go in trucks that have more power are bigger (i.e. 4.3-190 hp, 4.0-207). the other engines are car engines and are built for cars. They have more horsepower but less torque. Chrysler isnt upping the hp for our 3.9s, they are just gonna replace it with the 3.7.
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n8 dawg
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5/12/2002
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but the 3.7's are going to have 215 hp which is better. and hopefully they will run quicker screw the 17.8 ¼ mile times.thats just sorry right there and are the 3.7's coming in 03' daks? they are in the liberty's but havent ever drove or saw one take off.
and i smoke every stock s-10/sonoma with the 4.3L and the 3.0 rangers they are $hit my friend has one and it will hardly go i put at least 4 cars on it at 70 and it wont go over 95.......as far as a 3.0 beating an r/t maybe he had a 4cyl with the r/t decals.
and my friend just got a new dak with the 4.7L.......it is quick for being stock it's a 02 RC auto....it suprised me when i raced him he put a few lengths on me =) anybody know what the 4.7's run stock?
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CHAD
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5/12/2002
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AMEN
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LI Blackdak
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5/12/2002
13:41:55
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you know the 3.7 does have 210 or 215 hp but libertys are all that fast
well actually its weird
one does 0-60 in 10 seconds and 17.3@79 1/4
and the limited edition does 0-60 in 8.8 and 16.7@83 in the 1/4.
im not sure why the other is faster though
anyway with the liberty being lighter i don't think that engine is going to make dakotas that much faster.
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dan
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5/14/2002
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i bought my Dak to haul sh!+, not to race. I'm not knocking any of you in the least as far as modifying your engine. To each his own. all I'm saying is, look at the Dak.........now look at the Ranger and the S-10...........What do you look better in? Tha Dak right? Of course. The other trucks just don't look as nice. Plus, they don't have the bed capacity or a decent back seat (CC) to boot. The S-10 doesn't even have a rear bench. What they have is that dumba$$ "jump seat." Who the he!! wants to ride on one of those? Plus, my wife's uncle had an S-10 and he hated it after the first month. What were his words?.....Oh yeah "Piece of sh!+" This is my first ever Chrysler product and have owned pretty much everything GM to this point (except for a 280Z...fun car I must say but not good in the rust dept) and I still prefer the Dak to the GMs in it's class. I get my racing needs from my Firebird Formula. I just can't see pouring money into a V-6 truck engine (at least mine) since I'm never going to race it. With such a high stance, aerodynamically it sucks. I'd rather run OVER things with the 4x4. :-) Just my opinion.
P.S. But I am always a fan of those of you who can get your 3.9 to haul a$$. I'd be the first one at the shows to congratulate you. Like I said, not knocking anyone.
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SuperBee
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5/14/2002
13:45:13
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quote "what dan said"
i agree fully, no to be bashing intense or anything
but id much racther run over sh!t with my 4 wheel drive than race sh!t
i saw a lifted ranger today eith about 32" tires, that sumbitch looked like it was going to tip over coming out of the driveway, LOL
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IntenseDak39
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5/14/2002
18:14:37
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geez.... my name comes up everywhere!
i would have to agree with dan also... if i had a formula i wouldnt spend a nickle on my dak! My brother has a 96 formual with the 6 speed and it hauls @ss (but i can still beat it!).
i had my truck jacked up but cleaning the mud out every other day was getting old and not good on the engine (but the nitrous is) so then i lowered it. Honestly i had most of my mods already when my truck was jacked up... the msd, cold air induction, jet chip, 1.7 rr, headers, and a dynomax racing bullet muff (now a flowmaster).
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n8 dawg
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5/14/2002
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i agree with dan but when you dont have a 4x4and don haveanother car you race other trucks like s-10's and rangers.
LI Blackdak i dont know why it is slow maybe the engine doesnt produce any more tq or the liberty has a different tranny but most SUV's are slower than trucks....but i am hopng that the 3.7 is better than the 3.9 in the ¼,mile.
Dan if i had a 4x4 my truck would have already had a lift.....i never knew mudding was so fun until i went 2 weeks ago. it is a RUSH! jumping and fish tailing all over the place!! LI Blackdak you have a 4x4, lift it and go mudding then you will love your truck!
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LI Blackdak
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5/14/2002
23:41:26
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first of all for the record:
THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS TRUCK IS THE ENGINE!!! everything else is a minor problem that i can live with or buy a better a/m part(stereo, power windows...etc.)
the dak looks better, handles better, is more capable, looks better, smells better, has more room inside, looks better, has more avalable options and oh yeah...THE DAMN THING LOOKS BETTER!!!!!
you don't see me driving around in a POS s-10 and if i lost a race to one i wouldn't care because that guy/girl(in an s-10/ranger...ahahahaha) has to go home in a horrible POS tiny, rattly, gay, stupid, ugly, smelly(sorry the 5 year old in me took over).
anyways offroading is fun but im too worried ill break something.
the 3.9 is the weakest hp and tq per displacement in a new model engine. my only problem.
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IntenseDak39
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5/15/2002
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"the 3.9 is the weakest hp and tq per displacement in a new model engine"
no its not.. the 4.3 is worse...
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Ryan Miller
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5/15/2002
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4.3 is a good quick motor I love dodge dont get me wrong but the 4.3 SS 190hp will get up and go its a 5.7 - 2 cly I thought it had a nice smooth ride and would take off pretty fast
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dan
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5/15/2002
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Thank you all for agreeing with me. LOL.
Intense - Don't agree with me too much! I never said I wouldn't spend a nickel on my Dak since I have a Formula. I just wouldn't modify the engine for race, BUT.....I would still make her look really sweet. I love my Dak, just in a different way! I've added a bedliner, tailgate lock and a tonneau cover so I do spend money on it. Nerf bars are coming next along with some Zaino. When the time comes, I wouldn't mind adding a K&N FIPK. If it adds efficiency and better gas milage then I'm all for it.
N8 Dawg - I agree with you too. When I'm driving my Dak, I still get that sense of competitiveness when coming up on an S-10 or Ford or whatever. But I'll leave the racing to you and hope you win! Then you can brag for all of us. I just want my truck to last a long time and see many many miles. I'll do my laughing at the Rangers and S-10s as I pull over into the breakdown lane to let them use my cell phone to call AAA!!!
LI Blackdak. My STOCK V-6 works fine. I pick up full truckloads of wood and the added weight doesn't seem to affect it at all. I drive it the same as if the bed were empty. I haul down the NYS Thruway at 75 mph without a problem. Yeah the engine could have more HP and torque (I agree) but it gets the job done without any aggravation. I have no complaints. It doesn't bog down under full load. I'm fine with it. The 4x4 gets me through the Northeast winters easily. I'm happy. Maybe I'm just a simple guy. ;-)
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LI Blackdak
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5/15/2002
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the ratio of hp to displacement is nearly identical and torque to displacment in the 4.3 is a little better.
the 3.9 is the largest engine that has 175 or less hp. it is the worst. besides the s10 is lighter so even if the ratio was worse(which its not) it is still faster and more fuel efficient cause iot weighs less. the dak being heavy is good though.
side note. drove a civic this morning and despite feeling smooth and slmost getting off the line better...holy crap...it seems like your never gonna hit 60. people were passing me and i couldn't do anything about it(something that oddly enough doesn't really happen in my dak unless its like a mustang gt, lightning or v8 dak. once its moving it can keep up with most normal cars unless the driver is really pushing it. the civic just had 0 passing power...wow...and my head hits the ceiling.
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IntenseDak39
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5/15/2002
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didnt disagree with ya dan... but i am saying i would pretty much put my dak on the back burner and not made it the way it is.. i just wish the damn thing was paid off so i could put a big blown carbed engine in her... hehehe
now i wasnt saying the 4.3 was a bad engine....just it makes less power per cubic inch than the 3.9 does... and i am not saying that the 3.9 is the best out there, but think it does a good job for being as old as it is, as small as it is, and in as big of a truck as it is in.
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n8 dawg
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5/15/2002
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i thought the 4.3's prodused 175 hp same as the daks? i know the older ones did b/c my friends 91 says it in his book. and the s10's without a doubt can take a stock v6 dak if it has the 4.3.....the 4.3 is pretty good in that light of a truck but i know a guy that has had his rebuilt 3 times the first time with only 30k miles(still under warranty) they are cheap! like hondas but hondas just dont seem to die.
my friends 91 s-10 is quick but i still put a lenght or two on him....but he is completly stock. besides i want an engine that will last and a truck that looks good.....doesnt have to be fast stock but thats what they make mods for...right? so LI Blackdak atleast now you know next time to get a V8. and if you know how to drive then you wont break your truck everytime when you take her mudding.....like some morons do =)
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IntenseDak39
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5/16/2002
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up to 97 or 98 they made 175.... then they made like 180 and the new 4X4 S10 and Blazers make 190
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n8 dawg
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5/16/2002
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yea my friends 02 ZR2 makes 190.....but he still cant beat me....but it would tear up a stock 3.9 i know that.
and there was a 4 banger s-10 at my work last weekend that ran a 14.7 now thats fast for a 4 banger s-10. although i dont know what he had done to it but he had to have well over 6K to get it to make that time.
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fastrdak
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9/19/2002
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hey I just want to let u guys know that the 02 ranger FX4 the 4.0 is pushing 260hp I wouldnt mess with one they are fast I test drove one, it reached 60 within 6.5 seconds later bros goodluck on modifies
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Chaximus
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9/19/2002
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Just had to post this. I pulled up to a red light and felt like racing this little car next to me. I got the 3 inch body, 3 inch susp, powertrax locker and 31 inch bfg mudders. This car was soo tiny and i surely blew past it with my little v-6. But what bothered me was there was a R/T dakota 2 cars behind me on the right and apparently felt like racing too, i didn't have a chance against that truck. I floored mine and was hitting nearly 6000 rpm but that truck was already a quarter mile down the road. !#@$ R/T's are fast!
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Drew
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9/19/2002
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Man, i raced a ranger with a v6, dunno what liter but it was like a 96 or something and it was regualar cab. I knew he would be quick because of my weight of my ext. cab dakota to his super-light phord ranger. But man, i didn't think he'd smoke me. Ah well, it sucked, at least it motivates me to buy performace parts for my engine. Hehehehe, then we'll see who the winner is now sucka!!
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LI Blackdak
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9/20/2002
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just for the non record record
trucks with more hp and torque that weigh less and have better rear axle ratios can beat heavier less powerful trucks.
anyone that ever said a V6 dak is fast wasn't driving a 4x4. i doubt 2x4 V6s are rockets either, but 4x4s are underpowered with V6s
i was going 90 next to a freakin neon sxt the other day(with the pedal all the way down) and it freakin started pulling away from me(granted i had 2 other people in the truck and i didnt shut the a/c till i was next to him) but still. a big V6 should beable to own a neon(and if anyone says neons are fast ill punch u in the face through my comp cause they are very slow cars. on the other hand i was messing with a firebird(or trans am) not sure in a turning lane that led to two lanes that merged into one. so he obviously didnt think i was gonna do anything, so i took off when the light changed and i heard my brother go "oh shit and i see him trying to catch me and get in front of me in the one lane part, but the old reliable V6 wouldn't let him pass(im assuming it was a firebird cause that would have been pathetic for a trans am). it was funny and he had his gf in the car too. V6 4x4 got the best of him(admitedly in a rather sneaky fashion).
u guys find that ur engines are moody? like sometimes the pickup is there and others not. speed limiter also sometimes stops me at 98 other times lets me go over 100 i dont get it. these daks are real pieces of work.
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NOSDART68
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9/21/2002
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I've never had a chance to race a v6 ranger or s10, but I have raced a 4 banger ranger. The way the guy talks about his truck, you would think it was a top fueler. He led me to believe that it would be a good race and bet me 5 dollars he would win. WOW, I kicked his ass bad. Now I brag to him every day at school.
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