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Ron
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2/20/2003
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last i talked to him he hadn't sold the Powerdyne,
AND he'd said he'd was only a few 10's from his last run.
if you've got current info that's fine, info i had was from my last conversation with Bernd.
No intention to offend you......
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jakeplayer
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2/21/2003
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Um yes it is possible. And yes that is what the dyno said. Horse power that much can be acheived without a supercharger. I would love to list the things that can be done without one. As for rear wheel horse power if any knows that automatic lose horse power at the rear wheels way mroe then manuals do. I have a manual not a automatic so my rear wheels horse power loss is not very much. Maybe if i had a automatic then yes my rear wheel horses would be about 140. I have raced camaros, mustangs, chargers, etc. Horse power can be acheived without putting on a supercharger that is not made for it. And yes i am making that much horse power at the rear wheels cause i do not run a automatic. The manual that dodge makes is a very good one. It's loss is very little cause there arent near as many moving parts. Automatics dont use a clutch plate wich transfers the power straight to the rear end. Automatics use a torque converter. If you dont beleive me then stop your dakota some were and rev the engine up to red line then drop it into drive. V6 do not suck or 6 cylinders at all. Pull your V8 up to a nice little sports car lets say a nsx. When the smoke clears try to find him and say ty for making this clear for me that the V6 dont suck. Or pull your V8 up to a all wheel drive turbo charged 1994 eagle talon, or eclipse they will rip you up. You all have nice trucks and nice mods but that kind of horses are possible. I will be very soon posting some pictures of my truck with the mods and et's from my local drag strip. I hope you are all impressed. And of course the dyno test i had done. Please reply some more i would love to talk to anybody about mods and upgrades for your truck.
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SloDak39
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2/21/2003
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Not!! The difference in rwhp isn't that much! I didn't say ALL V-6's suck, just stock 3.9's. Dodge can't even make the damn thing idle right.
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IntenseDak39
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2/21/2003
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Ron, sorry wasnt trying to sounds like an @$$ (now i realize i did) but i am a frequent of bernds shop and talk to him on a daily basis. Last time i was there, the s/c was gone and he gave me the fmu and aux. fuel pump from it.. so i know he isnt gonna use it. The times i am going by are his posted times on dodgetrucks.org.. his most current that he has shared with me.
jakeplayer,
The difference between autos and manuals is only by like 3% power loss. Now i have a HEAVILY modified 3.9 and it doesnt get that kinda power to the ground... i have had mine dynoed and run at the track. I too am gonna raise the BS flag... not that i have anything against you, but you havent shown any evidence of these claims.
SloDak39,
"Dodge can't even make the damn thing idle right"
you got that right... i dont think they suck... it was just never made for a sports car or for racing... just for driving a mid size truck around.
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SloDak39
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2/21/2003
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Its reliable(except for the tranny) but it just doesn't run right and hasn't since day
one. (bought it new). Its so balless that when i put 250 pounds of weight in the back (for winter traction), it loses like 2-3 mpg and you can feel the load. Towing things sucks. Its too small for the truck's weight so its constantly working hard and getting the economy of a big
V-8 without the power. I'd love to get the 4.7 dakota.
1999 Ext Cab 3.9 Auto 4x2
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IntenseDak39
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2/21/2003
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i seriously think that there is something wrong with yours. No offense but from what i have seen/heard, they give adequate performance. I use to tow a boat with mine and it did good... not great, but not bad.
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whitedakota2
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2/21/2003
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I agree with IntenseDak39, if your having 250 pounds affect your millage that much you have something wrong. And I would like to see any 4.7 that can get over 21 mpg on the highway and 16 mpg around town that I get with my 3.9.
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SloDak39
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2/21/2003
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I get 15 city and like 19 to 20 highway. Its always been like that.I don't drive it hard either. What could be wrong with it?? The check engine light has never come on and its running fine(except for the annoying idle). Once again, too small of an engine in too big of a truck. Passing people requires careful planning. On long grades on the interstate, i'm in the right lane with the semis.
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Ron
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2/21/2003
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SloDak3.9:
I did have the time mixed up that he'd given me during our last conversation...it was in fact a 15.09 @ 92mph...that was my fault..sorry.
Bernd had e-mailed me about a new belt drive modification for my Powerdyne and he mentioned
that he was planning to "put some boost back in this baby!" with either the turbo or supercharger.
(he was leaning toward the turbo)and I had no idea he'd sold the supercharger since that conversation took place.
OH' your 3.9's idle problem may be a bad or malfunctioning IAC motor, and these 3.9's are notorious for air leaks.
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jakjeplayer
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2/22/2003
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If im not not mistaken both the v6 and v8 have idle problems. My 3.9 doesnt have any idle problems at all. I've also noticed that some of the v8's do as well. I'm with intensedak39 on this and your right whitedakota2 the v8's arent what people think. Iv'e drove a 3.9 for 4 years now a friend at work drives the R/T. He is al;ways complaining about is mileage and his power. It all started when i beat him off the line and to the finish. If dodge is going to boast about there v8's then why do they only bring to you so much more hore then the 3.9. Also the new 3.9 is going to have 210 horses. WTF is that crap. It sounds like dodge is starting to realize how good there v6's are and starting to ignore there v8's. Why increase there v6 horses and not bother with the v8. That increase pretty much makes the 4.7 useless. A lighter weight engine with the same horses might as well admit it people this magnum v6 is more then you think. All hail the mighty v6 that can tromp a v8.
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jakeplayer
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2/22/2003
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Im sorry its hard to understand this and there is no bs level. I've spent 15 years working on engines v8'v and v6' turbo 4 cylinders. It is possible and there is no bs level. A little experiance and alot of work can put those horses on the ground. As for the autos and manuals the difference is way more then that. Sounds like you are having some problems with your mileage. Well your not the only one i've noticed alot of people having the same problem. I myself havent had any milage problems. I do however had problems with rust and problems with my right front control arm. It was 2 years old when my bumber started to rust wtf. But as for my truck my proof will be up soon. That much horsepower is possible and it can be done. Without a supercharger and without nitrous. My list of things that i did to my truck will posted soon. I recently had some work done on the engine itself. Im also looking into imroving my heads. Maybe getting better ones. You have any questions e-mail me at ---->
jasonjakeplayer@aol.com for info on improving your truck so the horses reach the ground like you want to. If you dont beleive me thats up to you.
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kota on 20s
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2/22/2003
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the new V6 that has 210 HP is NOT a 3.9. its a 3.7, and its based on the 4.7 (overhead cam) thats where the added power comes from.
the differance between the auto amd the manual is only about a 2% driveline loss. there is no way in hell that it is putting down 175 at the wheels stock...thats been dyno proven on a 5 speed. wake up and smell the coffe guys!
and where are you getting heads for a 3.9L?
~Eric
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IntenseDak39
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2/22/2003
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like i said... until i see numbers i wont believe it...
"If dodge is going to boast about there v8's"
only commercial i have seen "boasting" dodge V8s is the hemi commercials... and i think that it deserves to be boasted because its the most powerful for a 1/2 ton truck. Now on some commercials they do say that their mid size truck is the only available with a v8... thats not boasting.
now, if any V6 is getting power to get ground, i would have to say it would be mine. I have out run supercharged RTs and Lightnings with only a 100 shot of nitrous... now i know my truck isnt making the power they make but i DO know how to get the power to the ground.
list of chasis mods:
chassis tech 150# coils
chassis tech 3 way adjustable drag shocks
chassis tech coilover kit
aim ind ladder bars
aim ind panhard bar
my best was a 13.52 @ 103 with a 100 shot of nitrous, msd hardware, jba headers, flowmaster, 1.7 rr, throttle body, and cold air induction but i ran that inspite of a 3.55 open diff.
now with a generic hp calculator (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/procrastination/quarter.html) i should be making around 385 horsepower. (3800lb weight entered)
so who here thinks i am made 385 hp with those bolt ons????
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/22/2003
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I've already tried all that BS in regards to fixing the idle. Nothing helps. I think its computer related but there is no flash for my particular model and year for the computer. As for a stock 3.9 being as fast as a 5.2 or 4.7, i don't think so. I test drove a 2000 4.7 4x4 and it would blow the doors off my truck. You can't beat a V-8's torque and smoothness. Before i get a bunch of nasty replies, i said a STOCK 3.9, not a 3.9 thats all souped up. People are so damn touchy on this website. Must be that chronic Dodge insecurity. I like dodge, i just don't like the 3.9 cause i think its a cheap motor. As soon as i can afford to, i'll be dropping it for a V-8 Dakota. The trade in value on a 4x2 V-6 Dak is awfull.
1999 3.9 auto ext. cab 4x2 , 4 cylinder power,
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IntenseDak39
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2/22/2003
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well i hope i havent sounded like i have attacked you... because i havent been trying to. I just think there is something with your truck.
Just go drive a 2.5 ext. cab dakota and you might just have a little more respect for you sixer.
i am 99.9% sure you dont want to spend any money on your dakota because you dont seem to like it much (if at all) but ASE chips can do a flash for your particular truck. Unsure of cost but from what i have heard/seen they are pretty effective. I do agree... stock, they dont compare at all to V8... but its not suppose to. Why would they have a more powerful V6 when they have V8s available. The first 4.3s were balless but chevy upped their power throughout the years because thats their "top motor" in the s-10. Dodge just doesnt see a need to make the 3.9 better or put the 3.7 in a dakota because you can get a 4.7 or 5.9.
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/23/2003
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I just wish it ran better. Then the lack of power wouldn't bother me as much. Whats this ASE chip thing all about? I'm willing to try almost anything to make it run right as long as it doesn't cost too much. Whats state are you in, i wish i could show you how it runs. There aren't any mopar specialty shops around here. This seems to be a GM area, not many dodges. Seems like when you head west, there are more dodges. I live in Buffalo.
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IntenseDak39
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2/24/2003
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well i live in texas and its not a chip... you send your computer to ASE and you list all your mods and need to know stuff and they flash the computer to the vehicles/your needs.
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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Can they fix drivability issues such as the tendency to want to stall when i put it in park and an unstable idle??
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IntenseDak39
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2/24/2003
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not sure... but i am sure they can do something for ya... not sure of a phone number or website but i will keep ya posted if i find one
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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thanks man. if i could get this thing to run right, the lack of power wouldn't bother me as much...although mabey i'd have them also do something to up the performance a bit........i got headers on already cause one of the old manifolds cracked so i figured i might as well get em.
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IntenseDak39
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2/24/2003
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yeah, i bought the headers... the nice chrome nickle plated ones too... very disappointed in the performance of them... but they did look good
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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mine didn't do much either and i never would have bought them if the stock ones hadn't taken a dump...isn't it advisable to have the headers anyways when you use a supercharger or a turbo? i didn't know there was a turbo for this kind of truck...
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IntenseDak39
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2/24/2003
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there isnt a kit... i just biult my own. I had to build a manifold for one side and used one of my jba's for the other.
but i am taking it all off and selling everything... tranny finally kicked an i have to buy a new one
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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Are you selling those parts cause the power from those mods ripped up the tranny? Why even bother modding one of these things if its going to ruin other stuff? Mine went at 40,000 miles....no mods and no hard driving.I think they design them to blow right after the warranty is up.Needless to say, i had it rebuilt at an independant tranny shop, dodge deserves no more of my money for this thing. Is yours a standard? Mines an auto. I refuse to sink a bunch of money into power increases on these things when its just going to make everything else fall apart. I just want a decent daily driver with reasonable power and mpg, not a jugernuat that breaks things. If i had the money to spare and a second car, it would be fun to play with this truck and mod it up.
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Ron
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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I've modified the 3.9 and 42RE transmission in my
'01 Sport to the tune of about 290hp at the crank
and 240hp at wheels(the goal is 380/330) and I've had no problems at all with either component.
Next on the list is a set of ported heads,ported intake, and a mild camshaft.....and 50hp shot of Nos to act as a chemical intercooler.....
engine and trans durability is a matter of oil and fluid changes, and catching problems before they get to be major hassles.
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IntenseDak39
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2/24/2003
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got a dyno sheet?
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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Dude, i took care of my truck and had the fluid flushed and filled and the tranny bands adjusted at the proper intervals and it still took a dump.......its common with dodge automatics....thats why this truck pisses me off, i baby it and drive it like an old man and it still sucks.....why are the bands adjustable anyways?? I thought manually adjusted bands were a 1970's design feature.....lol.... I tell my friends i have to adjust my bands and they look at me like i'm crazy....not many dodge dudes around here......
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SloDak39
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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By the way, i'm not knocking what you have done to your trucks or anything. I'm just relating my bad experiences to you. Mabey i got the worst dakota ever, i don't know. Seems like alot of other people have the same problems, though.
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Ron
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
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last dyno test taken last July RECORDED 211 RWHP
AND 275RWTQ.........dyno test was done at 6lbs of
boost....with a serious A/F ratio that was running lean.....(Bernd Ratsch can confirm as he has the original test sheets and A/F ratio graphs)
this would equal to 261 hp at the crank.
Bernd supplied a 9lb pulley, a modified belt tensioner, and I installed 24lb/hr injectors to cover the fuel problem......(it was running out of fuel at the point of max power)
The additional 3lbs boost, and additional fuel yields 240 RWHP........AS SOON AS THE WEATHER BREAKS A DYNO TEST TO CONFIRM WILL BE DONE!
I asked Bernd what he thought it's pulling now, and his response was 242RWHP.
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Kyle
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4/11/2003
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Would it be possible to make a 2002 V6 3.9L dakota turn into a 10 second truck. If it is, could someone please e-mail me with exactly what I would need to do, and approximately how much it will cost.
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Kyle
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