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using non-syn dino oil is like eating McDonalds for every meal.
it will fill you up, but your health will suffer and you will die sooner.
the same can be said about your engine.
your engines health will suffer and it will die sooner.
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11/18/2008
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----- THE TRUTH -----
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
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Amsoil is a TRUE synthetic and Mobil1 is not!
Mobil1 oils are all Group III fake synthetic.
Mobil1 switched from a G4 synthetic to a G3 Crude.
Mobil1 must admit AMSOIL is the BETTER OIL.
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum (crude oil) base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It (Amsoil) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
REMEMBER:
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO synthetic.
BACKGROUND
In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Remember:
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.
Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks.
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I like these quotes:
--- Mobil1 ---
This quote sux (for Mobil):
Mobil is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV.
Group III synthetic oils only use about 12%
synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked
petroleum base stocks.
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
This quote sux (for Royal Purple):
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter
and this one:
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils
--- AMSOIL ---
This quote is great (for Amsoil):
AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO)
but also uses Group V Ester technology.
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of
Group IV and Group V synthetics.
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Recap of the above article:
--- MOBIL1 ---
Mobil is Group III.
Mobil is not Group IV.
Mobil is made from hyrdocracked
petroleum (crude) base stocks.
Mobil is no longer a synthetic oil except for mkting purposes.
--- MOBIL1 LIES ABOUT BEING A SYNTHETIC ---
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
Royal Purple is Group V.
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term.
They perform very well in race engines.
They perform very well in applications where
drain intervals are factory specifications or shorter.
Royal Purple tends to be better suited for high
RPM, hot running, air cooled engines.
RP oils don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils.
-- RP is ONLY FOR VERY SHORT DRAIN INTERVALS --
--- AMSOIL ---
Amsoil is a PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mix
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
Amsoil is a true 100% PAO Group IV Synthetic Oil.
--- AMSOIL IS A TRUE PAO SYNTHETIC AND THE BEST ---
--- AMSOIL IS BEST SUITED FOR EXTENDED OIL DRAINS ---
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AMSOIL NOW SPOTTED AT DODGE DEALERSHIPS!
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL?
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!
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But don't pay retail at your Dodge Dealership.
Contact Steve for better prices.
The Amsoil guy (Steve the Amsoil site sponsor)
that was a site sponsor here for many years
(from 2002 - 2007) left due to the childish
behavior of a few flamers.
Steve can be found on another Dodge Dakota truck
site that has moderators and does not allow
undue flaming and childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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Teacher2
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11/18/2008
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non-syn dino oil (Mobil1) is a McDonald burger.
synthetic Amsoil is like eating a balanced meal.
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Mechanic
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11/18/2008
18:15:32
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AND
using non-syn dino oil is like eating McDonalds for every meal.
it will fill you up, but your health will suffer and you will die sooner.
the same can be said about your engine.
your engines health will suffer and it will die sooner.
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truthurts
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11/18/2008
18:47:35
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wow you are the copy paste guy of all times.......do you swallow all that crap your copy pasting.....just change your oil at 3000 and your motor will go for hundreds of thousands of miles....if you race it, no oil will help...youll spin a bearing or worse....and thats the truth....there is no oil that will stop full throttle beating.......listen to these ya hoosss. and buy there crap....and blow your motor.....and ps...how can you compare mcdonalds to a steel motor.......you cant put a stent into motor after it spins a bearing.....
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J and J Auto
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11/18/2008
22:37:26
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Interesting
I have been running royal purple in my trucks and
cars for 5 plus years now change at 6,000 miles
and have never had a problem K&N oil filters
All my other fluids are amsoil
And my motor in my dak sees 4 to 5000rpm almost
every time I drive it now you say its not good
RP is a purer synthetic base than the rest
Larry
J&J Auto
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RadioMan
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11/21/2008
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Larry. you are a mechanic and keep your engines well tunes like race engines. for guys like us who are not mechanics we should not use royal pruple. daily driver dakotas should not use royal purple. that is what my dodge dealer service dept told me. He said no royal purple.
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Tyler
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11/24/2008
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In my honest opinion dealer mechanics are sheisters or dont know what their talking about. At least the ones ive dealt with.
For example. I had surging in my truck of like 100-150 rpm while cruising down the road. I took it in to dodge they said new torque converter was needed. Almost 800 bucks so I took it home got on here and researched a little bit. Found out it was a throttle position sensor. Went to the local auto parts store picked one up for 30 bucks. Put it in reset the comp hopped in cruised away and it felt like a new truck. To make a long story short dont trust your dealer so fast.
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Mechanic
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11/29/2008
22:47:57
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AND
using non-syn dino oil is like eating McDonalds for every meal.
it will fill you up, but your health will suffer and you will die sooner.
the same can be said about your engine.
your engines health will suffer and it will die sooner.
AMSOIL can be found on another Dodge Dakota truck
site that has moderators and does not allow
undue flaming and childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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god
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11/29/2008
23:41:10
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just change your oil @ 2500 miles with 15/40 fleet oil and your engine will run for 250 k
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wtf
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11/30/2008
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HAHAHAHAHA
Just change your oil @ 2500 miles ?????
What a waste of money and oil.
You are the reason oil is in short supply.
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wow
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11/30/2008
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wtf your the reason this country is in short supply of money....
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J and J Auto
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12/03/2008
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Its more the maitainance scedual on the oil than
the oil's
Regular oil with a quility filter will run for
3 to 4000 miles and I have seen 100's of motors
run well over 250,000 miles this way
Syns will run longer, I have 1 guy who runs his
amsoil 12,000 miles and has 280,000 miles on
his 95 lincoln town car and still running well
he has 120,000 on a set of halo plugs and his
car is pulling 24 25mpg but he does do almost all
highway from wisconsin to arizona every year
Keeping it in good tune and good maintainance is
the secret to long engine life
I see a lot of cases where the person just does
not have the money to change his oil when he
should or have the money to get it tuned up its
those who end up with short vehicle life but
what can they really do if they don't have the
money there stuck
Up here in northern wisconsin there are many
like that a wife with 4 or five kids working
a low paying job and just barly surviving people
like that I let pay so much a month when they
get there vehicles fixed because without a car
they would not even be able to get to work so
I try to help them as much as I can
Its just the way the world works and a fact of
life for a lot of people
I have had some come in with there cars falling
apart and unsafe to drive and still will not
fix them thats scary
Larry
J&J Auto
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tally
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12/03/2008
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if what u say is true, it is a waste of oil to change it every 4000 miles with dino.
best to use amsoil and change it every 12000 miles and use only 1/3 of the oil.
maybe we can save oil for the future that way.
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wadak
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12/05/2008
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Larry,
Your a good man helping out where you can!!!
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Bob Lincoln
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12/05/2008
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Oil is NOT in short supply. Production is controlled, that and speculation is what drives the price.
Change oil and filter every 3K miles. I have 298K miles on my 92 Daytona, engine has never been apart, runs like new. I've used synthetic and conventional oil. The synthetic just makes it start and idle more smoothly in colder weather. It has zero effect on my gas mileage.
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snake
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12/05/2008
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i switched to amsoil and the engine runs cooler, is quieter, and i get better gas mileage.
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nuff said
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"wadak" is slang for G.A.Y. D.U.D.E.
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hahahaha
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12/06/2008
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using non-syn dino oil is like eating McDonalds for every meal.
it will fill you up, but your health will suffer and you will die sooner.
the same can be said about your engine.
your engines health will suffer and it will die sooner.
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wow
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12/07/2008
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you guys got your copy paste out of this forum
did you oil feeks check out how much pollution you put out?
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