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10/18/2008
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Do you mean NO2?
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J and J Auto
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10/18/2008
00:23:00
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That is what I am saying the comp controled
vehicles vs an old carb engine
The power was still there but the cumsimpsion
was almost double
We did the conversion back in the early 70's
this guy was making the alcohal himself this
same guy took an old chevy panel truck with
a six took out 2 cyls and turned it into a
steam engine with the boiler in the back and
it worked, nice in the winter but in the summer
hot as hell in the truck he kept it in a heated
garage and drove it in the winter it only had
a 100 mile range and than ran out of water
This guy was a nut ran a steam generator to
power his house
I don't know if you remember people like this
who wanted to be self sufeciant grow there own
food make there own power and live cheap this is
also the guy who first showed me a mother earth
magizine
With todays economy this is not a bad idea, I
put a garden in every year and grow vegitibles
nothing better than fresh from the garden, I grab
a salt shaker and hit the tomotos all the time
in the summer ripe right off the vine I just love
them.
what did people do before there were gocery stores
Also remember germany fought a war on alcohal
powered vehicles
Larry
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hey larry
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10/22/2008
17:43:33
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I thought you only worked on trucks. You'll have to share your green thumb knowledge with the rest of us. The only thing I'm able to grow is a bunch of weeds!
I have an older Camaro that suffered when they switched to the ethanol gas. The original carb (rochester quadrjet) hated the gas. I put an Edlebrock on it and it seems to run much better. I had to jet the edlebrock way down since the car only has a 305 and the original setting was way too rich for the engine.
I realize this is a Dakota thread, but I figured I'd share.
My Dakota runs OK on the ethanol/gas. The only difference I noticed was a loss in MPG while towing.
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J and J Auto
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10/22/2008
23:47:41
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They run ok on the 10% just lose mileage
speaking of towing last sat I towed a guy in with
my dak after he blew his clutch the ahole rode
the brakes all the way you could smell them
burning when we got to the shop I was yelling out
my window shaking my head and waving my arm think
he would let off NO
With 233 miles on my trip that 20 miles droped
my mileage to 19.5
Now I will charge him $50 for towing just for
being a but head a 93 mercury topaz the car body
is in almost perfict shape than he wants a clutch
put in when I told him the clutch set was $125
and 6 hours to instal he sold me the car for
$400 I guess I just got another loner car the 88
chrsler new yorker I use for that is getting a
little rough anyway, I only let some use my dak
when we work on there vehicles people I know
have at least half a brain LOL
Larry
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fotodak
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10/30/2008
12:58:41
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Alcohol has fewer BTUs available (aka energy) than gas so it makes LESS HP per gallon.
It does have a higher octane rating.
Trying to run alcohol in an engine designed for gasoline won't work.
To make it work you need to do a few things. One, richen the a/f misture. To achieve the same power as gas the jetting is richened so much consumption almost TRIPLES.
Timing needs to be advanced.
Then to try to get all the energy available, compression needs to be increased. A LOT. try compression ratios in the area of 14:1-15:1.
We run alky in one race car, P116 racing fuel in the other. Fuel costs are about the same for both because of the consumption of alky.
Then, because there is so much fuel going into the engine, not all of it is burned. You have a lot of blow by and this goes into the crankcase, which dilutes the oil unless you have Group V synthetic. But it still fills the crankcase (tank in our case) and has to be drained nightly.
Then, when it gets cold out you have to start the engine on gas then switch to alky when it warms up. We have to block the radiator eben on warm nights to get the engine up to temp.
HP remains about the same. TQ goes up a bit with power delivery a bit smoother.
Then as mentioned it is corrosive and hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs water. It also deteriorates rubber parts.
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