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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
02:11:06
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Both trucks(Dakota vs. S-10) being equal as far as 2wd, gears, tranny, tires, etc. and both being stock. Which would win?
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Rob
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
04:57:33
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well being the fact I'm not up to date on engine specs for either one I couldnt tell you, but my guess would be the one with the higher HP and torque figures.
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Marc 99 R/T
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
08:48:33
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weight will be a major factor...
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Lattimer
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
09:08:40
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The 4.3 is rated at around 200HP, and the S-10 is lighter than the DAK. So, equal everything (lets say 2 regular cab trucks, Auto, similar tires, gears, etc) it will be a driver's race. S-10 has more power and less weight, so she should be faster but she will spin easier.
Here's and idea, go to the track and race!!! You won't prove a damn thing by posting questions.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
11:36:59
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That would be a great idea there lattimer if I had a 3.9 dak. Instead, I got the 5.2 instead. You see, I was just curious, thats all. But I will keep that go to the track thing in mind.
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Big Ben
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
16:07:42
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Well let me tell you this! I have a 98 Dodge Dakota cc V6 with Flowmaster exhaust and a airaid intake. I raced my best friend with his 90 Cheby:( 350SS. IT is regular cab, 5 speed manual and has 275/60/15 BFG Radial T/As. I raced him thinking i would get my A$$ beat, but i didn't. I beat him off the tree and all the way down the track. The only reason i won was because he cant shift and he spined tires through the first 2 grears. Of the five times we raced I bet him 3 times:). So that is some food for thought.
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
19:10:28
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Let me put it this way, I have a 1993 Dak with a 3.9L with 170,000 miles on it. I haven't met a 4.3 that can take me yet. Even the eXtreme can't do it. Neither could a 2001 regular cab 4.3L do it. S-10's are panzies. They need to start putting V-8's into the S-10s. Then they will probably sell even more.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
20:47:59
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I agree Kyle M.
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Todd W
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
21:25:44
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I don't know, the 3.9 seemed to have more grunt to it than the 4.3, when I test drove them. I guess the Dodge makes it's power where you want to shift, and the Chevy makes it elsewhere? :0)
Maybe in BS...?
Of course, the main reason I got the Dodge over the S10 (Besides it looked cooler and had more balls), was that I had to lean to reach the passenger side door and my head didn't hit the headliner.
0.o
S-10s are _toy_ trucks. Even ones with aftermarket V8s... I had one try to race me, he had me off the line, I fell back until I hit halfway through second. From there until quarter into third I was even, then I pulled ahead. At the light he rolled down his window and asked what I had in there, so I pointed at the V6 symbol and grinned...
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DeaPee
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
23:57:22
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My 01 Dakota burned my buddy's 98 S-10 with the 4.3... and I mean burned. I think the 3.9's peak torque is at a higher RPM than the chevy's 4.3 resulting, obviously in more horsepower.
My step-dad has an '89 Jimmy with the 4.3 -- that thing can spin tires up and down the road. Lots of torque -- the 4.3 just puts it in the wrong place.
...Speaking of fast vehicles -- I work at a Ford Dealer and we just got this '92 Stealth R/T (DOHC, Twin Turbos, AWD, 5-spd Manual) in two nights ago. I have never driven anything this fast in my life (and I've driven a few 'fast' cars) -- As soon as I hit 15 mph, the turbo kicked in and I hit 45 and got thrown into my seat (still in first gear) -- those things move.
- Dave
- 01 RC 3.9 SLT 4x4 BLACK
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kotadude21
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
00:39:43
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i just ran my 97 V6 RC SLT a few weeks ago for the first time in the 1/8.
my buddy has a 96 S-10 x-cab with the 4.3
i'm gonna get him to go and run and we'll see who has the best time
i'll let ya know
his is stock and mine has a few mods, nothing major
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toxic13
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
02:28:21
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DeaPee, yeah those stealths are quick ass he11. wait till you get in a 2nd gen(94+). they upped the boost to 11psi(from 9psi) and gave it a 6spd. i was at the track last weekend with a group of stealth guys and saw a 96 R/T TT run a 13.09@105 bone-stock!
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Jonny
Dodge Dakota
11/04/2001
12:08:05
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hey BIG BEN what did u run on the 1/4 mile wit your dakota? cuz mine is liek urs and i am wonderin what it does. i have a throttle boday spacer airaid intake and a flowmaster.
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toast
Dodge Dakota
11/04/2001
20:34:58
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Hey DeaPee, ever driven a Grand National. A littly moded one will put that stealth to shame, trust I had one. All it is is a 3.8 V6 hehehe.
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DeepDak
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
04:27:21
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I saw one run an 11.01 at Carlsbad Raceway a few months ago. The truck ate up a Nissan Skyline (Skyline also had a head start), destroyed a Ford Lightning, and walked a GMC Typhoon. All that without slicks, gotta love AWD!
Eli
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
21:32:43
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Isn't that Grand National come with a 3.8L V-6 Turbo? Can't forget they have got a turbo.
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kotadude21
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
22:35:51
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yeah it did, wasn't the only year the made them in 1987?
it was the fastest car GM made that year and that was a no-no
nothing should be faster than the corvette
then buick went towards the old timers
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DeepDak
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
23:37:24
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Most magazines listed the Stealth at 13.6 in stock form, the Buick GN at 13.5 in stock form, and the Syclone at 13.5 in stock form. One magazine (Motor Trend, I think) tested a Syclone and they ran a 13.1 seconds! Any of these three vehicles were sweet, considering one came out in '87 and the other two in '91.
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toast
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
20:10:10
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Kotadude the GN was the fastest american in 87 and it would show the vette of that year its tailights. Buick made these awesome cars between 82 and 87 and the 86 and 87 ones were the fastest of them all. All it is is a 3.8 turbo V6.
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Rob
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
04:46:10
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Those GN's were awesome, I can remeber riding in one once and I mean itwas like the driver(a friend of my dad's), hit the gas and it took off like a rocket. I want one of them SOOOOOOO bad but I have to be pratical, I need a new truck so I wont be seeing a GN anytime soon.
Hey here is a quick thought, wouldnt be cool to make a 6cyl truck, using whatever mods necessary to take on a vette and at least hold it. just a crazy thought, would be cool though
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Big Ben
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
08:26:56
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To Jonny, this is Ben Ben, I ran a 18.01 @ 76.98 mph. I got alot of tire spin off the line, and my truck was hot. The out side temp was around 70. I also has 3/4 of a tank of gas and my spare. I guess i could have taken off the tail gate for a little less drag. But i think i could have done alot better.
98 Dodge Dakota
Flowmaster 40
Airade intake
255/60/17 BFG Comp T/A w/ R/T rims.
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DeepDak
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
15:26:56
| There is a v6 truck that takes out vettes...
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Rob,
GMC made a v6 truck that took out vettes, its called a Syclone. Single Cab, black, AWD, 15lbs of boost, 285hp @ the wheels (from dyno numbers I've seen), vette tranny, and under 3000 made.
Cool would be something similar in a Dak!
Eli
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kiddak
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
20:18:22
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yea so did dodge its called the RT cept more ppl can afford it
also its faster
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Lattimer
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
21:36:45
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kiddak:
But the R/T isn't all wheel drive. Thats the one missing ingredient. Then maybe the option of a 5 or 6 speed gearbox, then DC would really have something cool.
I'm not knocking the R/T, just thinking of how much cooler they could make it.
Shawn
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DeepDak
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
00:45:40
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R/T faster than a Syclone? You must be joking! Stock R/Ts pull low-mid 15s, while the Sy pulls mid 13s. 0-60: R/T= 7.0 , Sy= 4.6
Lattimer is right, AWD plus a 5 or 6 speed tranny and at least another 100hp! That's the only way the R/T is going to see 13s in stock trim (100hp being the biggest factor).
Eli
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Blower Dak
Dodge Dakota
11/11/2001
01:37:16
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Actually....buick was putting turbos on the 3.8
in '79....i have a sandrail with a '77 even-fire
3.8 using stock turbo equipment from that era.
Casey Aldridge
Tempe, AZ
'97 RC S/C V6 Hotchkiss'd (GOT BOOST?)
'94 ex Texas DPS Caprice 9C1 (GOT TORQUE?)
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justin
Dodge Dakota
11/11/2001
09:52:11
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In the years that the Buick Grand National and Buick Regal T-Type were produced they -the fastest production car- meaning that no production porshce could beat one 0-60, no vette 0-60, no camaro 0-60, nuthin could beat it 0-60. stock they run 13's a few mods they run 11's, how do i know all this? theres a 1987 GNX in my dads garage sittin next to a 1987 T-Type.
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Blower Dak
Dodge Dakota
11/11/2001
16:01:29
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Thats cool, what number GNX is it?......
I agree they were to most dominant cars produced then...we used to have a hot-air T-type (84), and
my friend has an 86 t-type that I work on regularly, his runs 14.6 stock.
Casey Aldridge
Tempe, AZ
'97 RC S/C V6 Hotchkiss'd (GOT BOOST?)
'94 ex Texas DPS Caprice 9C1 (GOT TORQUE?)
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BlakDakmagnum
Dodge Dakota
11/13/2001
14:06:49
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First of all, I work at a chevy dealership, the S-10s are rated at 190hp and have been since 1989 when they went to fuel injection, I don't have the specs in front of me so I couldn't tell you the difference in weight or gears and what not, however S-10s have 3 options for rear gears. If it's an extreme S-10 or regular it makes no difference, they both have the same 4.3 and the same gears are optional. Hell, you could get an extreme with the 4 banger if ya wanted. Either way, a 3.9 dak like mine has no trouble with the newer models, however watch for 93' and before, they are really light bodies and came with great rear gears, some even with 4.10
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yooo
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
11:46:48
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first off you guys are retarded i think the 4.,3 is the stuff i kicked the crap out of my freind and his lil panzy aS$ dakota and there for chevy=better
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Zed
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
13:16:49
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I think 3.9's are pigs. I own a 99 and its SLOW. My friend's 98 S-10 has and will blow mine away....
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FIJIGabe
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
17:13:28
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hey zoo and zed, sorry to hurt your feelings, but i've roasted a couple of your little piglet S-10's (and Sonomas, and one unwise Hombre) in my day. i think chevy should really stop using so much plastic in their engines... those plastic pistons just DON'T WORK!
Gabe
http://frontpage.tripod.com/fijigabe0
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BlowerDak
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
20:26:47
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Well, I got news for ya buddy....
I have a 97 RC Dak w/ the 3.9. I would consider
my truck to be one of the slower 3.9's that came from the factory...they're performance varied greatly between trucks of the same config for some reason. But anywho...when I got my truck it was 2yrs old, and just out of warranty. My best friend bought a brand new '00 S10 with the 4.3 and the deeper gears. After he had about 10k mi on it..we went to Firebird raceway and ran for dinner. My truck was bone stock and so was his...both autos etc...and it safe to say a Dak is somewhat heavier than an S10. Well to say the least....I ran a 17.1@78 and he ran something like 17.9@76...so basically i kicked the snot out of him. And now with the blower, heh....bring it!
Casey Aldridge
Tempe, AZ
'97 RC S/C V6 Hotchkiss'd (GOT BOOST?)
'94 ex Texas DPS Caprice 9C1 (GOT TORQUE?)
www.users.qwest.net/~caldridge
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DeepDak
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
22:11:28
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BlowerDak:
What is your best time with the SC?
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BlowerDak
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
22:34:34
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Well...right now...the best still stands at
a very dissapointing 16.115@86 even with a 9# pulley on the s/c'er. I'm having a very hard time
keeping the belt from slipping at anything above 3k rpm. So far with the 9# pulley according the the boost gauge im pulling like 6# of boost. When I had the 6# pulley on there i was always hitting 7# of boost right at upshift..but that was before I had the tranny rebuilt. The truck felt a whole lot stronger with 6# pulley and a fresh tranny..but i never ran it in that config cause I put the 9# pulley on a day after the i got the truck back...then i ran it and it felt slower.
I really need to unleash all the bottle necks in the system such as the TB which is still stock, and probably headers...etc...etc. Its kinda sad that I haven't done more to enhance the performance and test stuff for it cause I was the first person to supercharge a genIII v6...my truck has seen about 2k mi of road this year as i have been to busy doing stuff to my cop car. Guess ill have to be nice to it and spend a bunch of money on her.
Casey Aldridge
Tempe, AZ
'97 RC S/C V6 Hotchkiss'd (GOT BOOST?)
'94 ex Texas DPS Caprice 9C1 (GOT TORQUE?)
www.users.qwest.net/~caldridge
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
23:04:36
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I have a 1993 Dak with the 3.9 and Towing Package. How can I find out what rear-end gears I have?
And let me say agian, I still have yet to find a 4.3 that can beat me stock. I am also running all stock with 170,000 miles. BRING IT!
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Zed
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
01:09:11
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Hey, i don't like S-10's, i just know they kill my truck and just about anything else can kill my truck. Driving this thing in traffic can be tiresome. Mine's a 99 ext. cab auto with 3.55 gears so maybe thats why. Right off the line it pulls good but as it goes into second and especially third, it just dies off. It really sucked when i was out west going out of denver into the rockies and almost every vehicle was blowing past me while i did 45 in the right lane on the interstate with the OD off. It even went down into 2nd a few times!! Power deleivery from the 3.9 seems uneven and it is a very harsh motor. Throttle response sucks too. And i love the way the motor keeps winding for several seconds after letting off the gas. Why it does that i don't know but when i first bought it, it seemed like a vaccuum leak but it doesn't have one.
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ProstreetS10
Dodge Dakota
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1/31/2002
01:42:52
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A 4.3L S-10 will kill a 3.9L dakota. You guys must be racing the slow POS 4.3L known as the Z code with a TBI system. They only make 145HP. Do me a favor, find someone with a 94-95 SS S-10. They have the 4.3L CPI engine. I promise you will get spanked. Especially if it has the 3.73 ratio rear end instead of the 3.42. Oh, and race an auto, not a stick. Then it will depend less on the driver. But if any of you want to bring it on.....I have a nice 97 S-10, with a 650HP 4.3L that I will gladly race you with. I am flaming a little now, but that's because I have to hold up the 4.3. They aren't built for racing they are for torque (4x4 and towing). In LT trim the 92 Blazers had 327ft/lbs of torque.
Flame Away boys. BTW I ran a 9.86 in the 1/4 this past season, and I will be quite a bit faster this year. I swapped out rear ends for a 9" Ford, and I changed pistons, rods, and a few minor things. BE VERY AFRAID!
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toast
Dodge Dakota
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1/31/2002
02:46:09
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This guy does not know anything about S-10s let alone 4.3s. Frist off the older TBI 4.3s produed 165hp not 145. Now the 94-95 SS S-10s had the much inproved version of the 4.3 producing 195hp and impressive 260lb of torque. That made the RC S-10s with the 4spd auto run 16.9 in the 1/4 and 7.9 0-60 bone stock from the factory. My old truck before i got my R/T was a 94 S-10 with the TBI 4.3 and it was not that bad of alittle truck. The 4.3 is a real good engine mainly because it is based off of the 5.7 (350) but with 2 less clinders like the 3.9 and the 5.2. Both 4.3 and 3.9 are very good engines but fact is that the 4.3 is obviously a biger engine which in turn makes more hp (190 vs. 175) by only 15hp. Also on top of the 15 extra horses the S-10 RC is lighter than the Dakota RC so being both good drivers in a race between the two the S-10 would win. Now there are some ocassions where the 3.9 has a boat load of mods or the guy in the S-10 can't drive so in that case the 3.9 would win. But ethier way each race would be close. Oh and i would love to see this so called 650hp 4.3 bwaaahhhhh. Even the syclone and typooh did not make even that close to that amout of hp, they only manged 262hp stock from the factory. For a fact these engines could not handle alot of boost with out wipeing out the bottom ends trying to produce 400hp is very hard in the 4.3 without streathing the block at least.
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Dodge MiCK
GenIII
1/31/2002
07:56:39
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The 4.3 in the Xtreme's produce 185hp, so I assume it's the same in the new gen S-10s
2001 Dodge Dakota Sport Plus Regular Cab, Bright Siver Metallic, 4spd. auto. 3.55, IAT adjuster
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IntenseDak39
GenIII
1/31/2002
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650hp trailered to the track....i drive mine to the track....if i wanted a race car i would build one but air conditioning is nice to have.....no my truck isn't that fast but i am in comfort going down the track....
98 RC V6 auto modifications: LOTS ! ! !
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