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sport02
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3/03/2008
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i've noticed alot of gas stations putting the e85 in their tanks now. I was wondering, would this stuff account for worse gas mileage? I mean everyone is all into making our own fuels but does this stuff really benefit for MPG? My truck is doing horrible on gas and it only seems to be since they started adding the E85 to the tanks.
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dakota49
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3/08/2008
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From what I have read about the E-85, it does use more than just plain gas. I'm not sure why though, it should get better since it has a higher octane rating.
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uu7u
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3/08/2008
22:16:01
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It will lower your gas mileage
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N56629
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3/08/2008
22:59:39
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Gas stations don't put E85 in your tank. Only you can do that. However, you may be getting E10. Depending on where you live you may be filling up with a winter blend which gives you poorer gas mileage but better drive ability during the winter months.
Higher octane does not equal more power or better gas mileage. If you use a higher octane than necessary you will likely get worse mileage and less horsepower.
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fotodak
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3/12/2008
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E10 or E15 or E85 gives poorer mileage because alky contains less energy than gasoline.
Sure some race cars run alcohol but they are using compression ratios the likes of 14-15:1 and running three times the amount of fuel through the engine.
And, for those of you using E85 in your vehicles, remember alcohol attracts water.
Plus, most engine oils don't like it, either.
If the engine has a high amount of blow-by the alky dilutes the oil. It will look milky.
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dakota49
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3/12/2008
15:29:17
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fotodak, you do know your stuff, I was reading in Car Craft magazine and they made more power with E85, but they were using a carb on their small block Chevy engine. They had to increase the size of the jets like 30-50% to get that extra power. So what is better using our corn for gas, or using our oil? Is it cheaper to use corn or oil?
Dakota49
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Tyler
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3/13/2008
00:28:05
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Oil hit 110$ a Barrel today Ethanol/corn prices have actually alot to do with the price of diesel. What do all the tractors,combines,grain trucks run on? Diesel! All that stuff is necessary to get it to the field to the production facility. Now if we could get everyone using a 10% Bio BlendedDiesel ethanol would go down 10% right? ha! Anyone see a major problem on the horizon? Just seen 3.85$ for diesel today. When is dodge gonna start making steam turbine powered hovercrafts that run on depleted uranium? Great scot marty!
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mechanic
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3/13/2008
10:05:41
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synthetics are made from liquid natural gas.
we need synthetic fuels and we should all use synthetic lubes.
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pa
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3/13/2008
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Diesel is $4.19 here in Pennsylvania
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fotodak
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3/14/2008
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Typically it requires more than a gallon of diesel to produce one gallon of alky. Take corn out of food or feed for livestock to make alky and you drive up the price of corn for the other commodoties, food and feed.
It's kind of like gas vs. electric:which is actually cleaner? The electric vehicle has no tailpipe emissions but the power plant required to make the electricity is usually coal fired. Then there is the battery issue.
A friend has a couple race cars, one runs on P116 gas and the other on alky. He buys all his fuel in 55 gal drums. The alky comes from Malaysia and is less than $2/ga. The P116 is less than a gallon of 87 octane.
One thing about synthetic oils to remember:not all synthetics are actually synthetic. Some are "super refined" dino oil.
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OilXpert
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3/14/2008
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One thing about synthetic oils to remember:not all synthetics are actually synthetic. Some are "super refined" dino oil.
YES -- like Mobil1 and Castrol.
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ftheabus
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3/14/2008
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Link please.
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Link please to what?
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fotodak
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Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic, which means it is made with polyalphaolefins (PAOs) which are "super refined" conventional oils. It is done using a different hydrocracking process which removes most of the impurities.
Group IV and Group V oils are ester based, which means they are true synthetic oils.
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OilXpert
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3/14/2008
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I think you have your information wrong.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but most of them are Group III fake synthetic and do not have the superior characteristics of a true Group IV or Group V synthetic oil, and that's important to know.
GROUP III
GROUP III oils are mineral or crude oils. Mobil 1 is a Group III hydrocracked conventional crude oil. Mobil 1 is a synthetic oil in name only. It is a fake synthetic.
GROUP IV
PAOs (polyalphaolefins) are Group IV oils which include Amsoil and Redline which means they are true synthetic oils made from pure liquid natural gas and not dirty crude. PAO based oils have an enormous advantage over conventional crude oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
GROUP IV
Esters are Group V which includes Royal Purple which is a synthetic oil but not the best oil for a dakota engine.
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stevedak
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3/15/2008
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Oilexpert
How can a good synthetic oil not be the best for a dakota engine? Please explain.
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OilXpert
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Are you asking about my Royal Purple comment?
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils (like Royal Purple) tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. Group V oils perform very well for short drain intervals and don't have the longevity of PAO Group IV oils. Royal Purple is strictly a Group V oil.
RP performs very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter (like oil changes every 3k miles), whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals (oil changes of 10k miles or longer).
Royal Purple is strictly a Group V oil.
Group V oils perform well in race engines.
Group V oils perform well in high RPM, hot running engines.
Group V oils perform well but only for short drain intervals.
Royal Purple is not the best oil for a Dakota engine.
Now. let's not make this a flame thread.
These are just facts known by guys in the trade.
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fotodak
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3/17/2008
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OilXpert, why do you say my info is wrong?
I stand by my statement that Mobil 1 is a group III synthetic and it is made from PAOs.
They even say it is PAO based.
IOW it is NOT a TRUE synthetic.
Here is a snip from my previous post:
Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic, which means it is made with polyalphaolefins (PAOs) which are "super refined" conventional oils. It is done using a different hydrocracking process which removes most of the impurities.
I hope that clears up any misunderstanding.
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OilXpert
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- Polyalphaolefin (PAO) = API Group IV base oil
- Synthetic esters, etc = API Group V base oils
- Hydrocracked Crude Oil = API Group III base oils.
Mobil1 includes just 12% Group V PAO and the remainder is 88% Hydrocracked Group III Crude Oil and other additivves just so they can lie and say they are a synthetic oil.
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OilXpert
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3/17/2008
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I meant to say:
Mobil1 includes just 12% Group IV PAO (not Group V. I just missed the key for the "I" in IV).
Mobil1 includes just 12% Group IV PAO and the remainder is 88% Hydrocracked Group III Crude Oil and other additives just so they can lie and say they are a synthetic oil.
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TruthHurts
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3/18/2008
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Amsoil is fake oil made from, among other things, natural gas. Guess where natural gas comes from. You guessed it, crude oil wells. If crude oil didn't exist neither would natural gas. Like oil, natural gas is a product of decomposed organic material.
Most synthetics would not be possible without natural gas, and of course, crude oil. Directly or indirectly synthetic oils owe their very existence to crude oil.
If gasoline is good enough for my Dakota then so is ordinary motor oil.
Now flame away, so-called oil expert.
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