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Shatto
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4/01/2006
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Just put a mechanical gauge on the engine to confirm and discovered I've been driving around with less than 10 lbs oil pressure. That thing above the gas gauge said 40!
For a week the light lit and the pressure was showing 40lbs, dropping to zero. The slightest increase in RPM brought it back, but I thought I'd check. Kinda glad I use Amsoil.
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Joe M.
Dodge Dakota
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4/02/2006
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i'm i the only one ?
hey its great if their members or what not
an help keep the site going
but dam enough is enough
you guys just dont advertise, your to the point now that your trying to cram it down everybodys throat!
anytime someone even mentions oil on here
we get "Amsoil" and most times the "amsoil essay"
(the 30 page edition)
i'm so fed up with it i will never buy any amsoil products!
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Shatto
Dodge Dakota
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4/02/2006
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Joe M,
Thank you. Consider; I changed my camshaft and this problem cropped up after the change. This means I've been driving around with 10 lbs, or less, oil pressure for 2,000 miles! Or more. I'll never know long this went on, after all the gauge always said 40 lbs. pressure.
Wouldn't you be all kinds of exited to discover that your engine hadn't turned into a molten mass doing that?
Only one thing preventd it....oil. In this case, Amsoil.
That engine has 500,000 miles on it. I happen to believe Amsoil played a major role getting there.
As to the advertising;
What is wrong with someone in business passing along information that may help the reader?
Steve does that and identifies himself. That is all I've noticed him doing.
The long articles are because he is passing facts not a testamonial that says "mine better!"
I am an Amsoil dealer, so I can buy wholesale, and I told one questioneer to have Steve sponsor him so he could buy at Steves price, and pay attention to what Steve says. That isn't solicitation. It is a suggestion.
The occasional non Dakota owner weighs in on something here, and is rejected.
Talking about products that can help all of us kinda puts us on the same side, doesn't it?
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Scroll_Master
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4/02/2006
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These testimonials don't really bother most of us equiped with a mouse scroll wheel. Roll on brothers.
At least they don't come knockin' at our doors flapping the WatchTower. Now that's annoying!
I often wonder if these claims are slightly mis-represented. Seems an engine with more miles then the Space Shuttle would still be alive due to more factors than just quality oil.
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OBIO3
Dodge Dakota
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4/02/2006
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Shatto...... What's the chances you got a bad mechanical guage. Bet you bought the cheapest one there. Reguardless good ones can be defective too. Chit happens.
So many problems .... So little time
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Shatto
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4/02/2006
18:11:45
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In fact my mechanic, who loaned it to me, swears by it.
Scroll_master, thank you for the complement.
By the way, I undid all the bolts and the pan didn't fall on the ground. Advise please.
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Optional
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4/02/2006
18:12:43
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Just an observation, but most posts are on slant of the perspective it is coming from. They are all different and aren't always going to add up. Just take it for what its worth as advice. Its your choice if you think its going to work. Then you piece it together and learn something. And in a sense, I don't think it is wise to take advice when that advice is attached to something like payroll or services their better interest. The best piece of advice usually comes from the guy that doesn't care what he gets out of it or at least doesn't have anything to lose. Its hard to say if Steve or anybody else is honest when they say how good amsoil will do you. ;-) Especially when they where their hearts on their sleeve. If you didn't ask for the services then chances they aren't worth taking. But if you did, then maybe its your turn to learn something. Good Luck.
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Shatto
Dodge Dakota
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4/02/2006
18:31:27
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Optional,
Steve is a businessman offering information so partakers can take advantage, and he offers whole lot of free information.
I have not read where Steve or anybody else has solicited for you to buy from or be sponsored by them.
Steve and I are dealers, I only buy wholesale, so I have suggested a number of times to GOOGLE Amsoil and a couple times that someone consult Steve.
A cynic would say we work together or are one, and I hope they are pleased being right in their mind.
I suggest looking at the behavior of people with some serious life experience behind them. It is very common for them to want so share and maybe help those not as far down that road.
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Dan M
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4/02/2006
19:32:12
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Ok, I'm missing something here. So you've been willing driving your truck with low oil pressure? Didn't you say the light was on? And over 2k miles?
And, the oil sender could be bad or it could be the guage in the truck. hey, parts fail.
So, the big question I have is WHY was it running at 10psi (if the mechanical guage is correct). What was the fix the resolve the low pressure? Was it lack of oil? something eles?
didn't you notice the guage changing when you were at idle and various speeds?
- Dan M
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Optional
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4/02/2006
19:35:40
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Shatoo,
"Steve is a businessman offering information so partakers can take advantage, and he offers whole lot of free information."
All I was addressing was the fact that this 'information' is slanted. Take it or leave it at your discretion.
I also noted that most of any advice or 'information' that was not asked for but rather offered is usually not worth taking. Reason being is that there is something at stake for this person to get off this information. He would not be doing it if it was for the fact that he gets something out of it. Thats when the information being handed down is as I say questionable. The rest is up to you. :)
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Shatto
Dodge Dakota
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4/02/2006
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Dan M
Thank you. Read my first posting.
I didn't know I had 10lb pressure until I hooked up the mechanical gauge. The electric gauge read 40lb.
Earlier today I removed all the bolts and the pan didn't fall on my head, so I'm now trying to learn what the next step is.
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Scott C
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4/02/2006
22:42:55
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took off all the bolts and pan didnt fall.... well hey its STUCK..... the gasket has it glued into position where it sits mounted to the block... get a rubber hammer and tap on it should break the seal and drop down... if not get a screw driver and lightly pry on the lip of the pan being carefull not to bend the lip to where when you go to put the pan back on that it doesnt leak....
Scott C
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Shatto
Dodge Dakota
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4/03/2006
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Scott C.
Thanks, but it is loose and seems to be hung up on the dust cover of the bell housing. Do I need to growl and pull hard, or is there something more to remove?
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OBIO3
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4/03/2006
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I think the truck has earned the right to have 10 lbs of oil preasure. After all it has 500,000 miles on it. Probably a worn pump more then anything not to say the rest of the engine doesn't have wear. With good service, an engine usually outlives the oil pump. Long a the pan is off might as well change the bearins. Check them for wear while your at it. Would be very interesting to know.
So many problems .... So little
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Shatto
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4/03/2006
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Curse your ideas. It was a suggestion like yours that started this whole mess in the first place! What if I discover I now need bearings? Nah, I think I'll trust the bottom of this engine is as strong as they say it is.
Thanks,OBI03 for the chuckle. It did earn the right. Maybe it's just tired.
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vern
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4/03/2006
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Shatto,i,m just alittle confessed here.are you looking for help?promoting amsoil?or just making a statement about how many miles you have on your truck.
low pressure problem-weak oil pump,plugged and/or cracked pick up tube or screen,worn/bad cam,rod or main bearings,bad gauge
any and/or all can cause low oil pressure readings.
you said something in your second post that this all started when you changed the cam,did you or who changed the cam do damage to the cam bearings when installing the cam?this will effect oil pressure
i,m not going to shot amsoil down,good, bad or other wise,personally i thing its a good product [tho i,ve never used it]i beleive a good quality oil with good maintenance with some common sense these motors will run to 300,000 plus miles
just my .02 cents
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daddio
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4/03/2006
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Shatto, you say the oil pressure changed since you changed the camshaft? that could be the cause of your low oil pressure.
also, is that 10psi at all engine speeds or just idle? the FSM says min. 6psi @ idle and engine warm, 30-80 psi @ 3k rpm.
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Shatto
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4/03/2006
12:18:46
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Yep.
Maximum is 10 PSI. My mechanical gauge says it idles almost at zero. Meanwhile, the electric gauge was dutifully reporting 40 PSI running dropping to zero at idle, since the cam exchange.
Methinks maybe this caused the camshaft failure.
Naah, the engine must be rejecting it because I didn't use anti-rejection additives.
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Forsetti
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4/03/2006
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According to my tech books the magnum engines min oil pressure is 3lbs at idle. So your 10 is no big deal. Amsoil had nothing to do with your engine not blowing up .... the fact you were ABOVE min spec is the reason....
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Shatto
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4/03/2006
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Forsetti
Thank you. Still need more than 10lb running pressure-and an honest gauge.
While we are at it, a quiry if I may. Since the pan will be off and pump out, once I unbolt the motor mounts and raise the engine; would it be a good or bad idea to replace the pump with a high volume pump? That "if a little is good, more must be better" gremlin is whispering, but on the other hand, I did get this far with the stock pump.
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vern
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4/03/2006
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don,t use a high volume pump on a stock 4-5qt pan not enough oil in reserve
mopars own racing book for all mopar engines is as follows:you need 10psi of oil pressure for every 1000rpms[6000rpms=60psi of oil pressure]
this is the general rule of thumb for ford and gm too
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