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Lesley
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10/21/2001
22:42:10
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I've heard conflicting things about headers: some say there's no gain whatsoever, others swear to an increase. I'd like to hear from some V6ers who have them, and also what make they went with. Thanks.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
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Tony
Dodge Dakota
10/21/2001
23:46:57
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Headers in my opinion do enough. Engine breathes better... More power... I don't have headers on mine YET, but my friend does with the rest of his exhaust and it's awesome. JBA would be the way to go. They seem to be the choice of most anyways.
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bernd
*GenIII*
10/22/2001
00:57:20
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On the V6, the only headers available are JBA's. I had installed my set almost two years ago (when the engine was still relatively stock) and they really woke up the V6 from about 2300rpm up to the redline. With a Supercharger or Nitrous...pretty much a must have. ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10# w/Nitrous
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
01:57:32
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I know that Edlebrock makes V6 headers for Gen I, not sure about Gen II but check, you might get lucky. From what I have heard, headers are very effective. In combo with new mufflers, intake, etc. I am going to do it soon.
Joe E.
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Rob
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
05:08:04
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I am curious to know if they made high preformance manifolds for 88 3.9l because I have heard some bad things about headers and the collectors rotting out
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Lesley
GenIII
10/22/2001
08:16:52
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Thanks guys. Bernd, in an earlier post you mentioned that the Y pipes for an automatic were at a disadvantage as opposed to the 5 speed, due to the crimping.... my truck is an auto, will the gains still justify the cost of the install?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
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bernd
*GenIII*
10/22/2001
08:24:27
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On the V6, not really. The 1998-2000 R/T's are the main ones with the Y-Pipe problem.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10# w/Nitrous
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Lesley
GenIII
10/22/2001
08:38:27
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Whew! That's good, thanks. I guess the stock pipes will have to go.. I'm not going to be able to upgrade the rest of my exhaust until next year so until then I guess the headers would be somewhat limited due to the diameter of the stock pipes right? Would that cause a heat problem at all? And, are non-ceramic coated headers a waste of time?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake
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Tony
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
13:58:47
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I would get coated ones...
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cbsdakota
GenIII
10/22/2001
14:06:33
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The diameter of the stock pipe is as big as you should go. The only restriction is the cat and the muffler. Headers, high flow cat and a good high flow muffler is all you need for exhaust. With a blower, I would step up to single 3", otherwise stay stock.
Project QUIKV6
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Lesley
GenIII
10/22/2001
16:19:11
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Okay, that's great news. Thanks.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
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Lesley
GenIII
10/22/2001
17:01:47
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Thanks for all the advice, I just bought a slightly used set of JBA headers off ebay for $220. It'll take a while before I get them ON the truck, but I'll let you know when I do. Thanks again guys.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake
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stealwings
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
17:53:37
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Damn it. I wanted those headers. That's a good price. Right on.
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jay
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
20:32:44
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FYI do not remove your pre cats you will not gain anything that is worthwhile and your truck will sound like a farty rice maker. On 2000 to 2001 dakotas the y pipe is not restrictive at all it's 2 even pipes into a merged collector that flows into the cat. Secondly most newer cars do not suffer from the restrictive cats that they used to back in the 80's and early 90's, companies can use a much less restrictive cat now due to better tuning through the pcm, you can actually lose power by removing your stock cat and not running one at all, but if your car was much older then removing the cat completely could gain you some extra horses because those were just big horsepower robbing pigs and the technology just wasn't there either.... if you get headers get the ceramic coated headers or else you may not keep enough heat in the pipes to allow the cat to light off properly and you could set a check engine light or it could run like crap because the computer won't go into closed loop mode.
just my 2 dollas worth
jay
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
21:37:39
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Jay, you seem to know this well. I have a 1990 Dak V6. I have got a custom cold air intake, flowmaster muffler and dual exhaust. Want to get headers soon. But my question concerns the Cat. I have heard that early 90's and late 80's cats are pretty restrictive. Is this true? Should I cut the sucker out, or go with a high flow cat? And any Co. worth buying from? Thanks for the help.
Joe E.
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jay
Dodge Dakota
10/23/2001
00:07:13
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80's and early 90's cats are very restrictive because there wasn't the ability to do half of the things that we can do today with computer tuning and good fuel injection... i do not condone anyone cutting off their cats because it is ILLEGAL and it is not healthy for the environment so my suggestion would be if money is not a problem then go with a random technologies high flow cat, but if money is a problem then look into a carsound cat or a catco high flow unit.. by the way, you should get the high flow unit for one reason, your truck will sound like a*s without it so keep it on but just get the high flow unit.
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Lesley
GenIII
10/23/2001
09:13:31
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These are not ceramic coated... is there that huge a difference? I read a post on another board about getting them coated, but I think it was cost-prohibitive. I'm hoping that they won't be hugely loud.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake
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Lattimer
Dodge Dakota
10/23/2001
11:43:25
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Lesley,
I have had my non-coated headers for over a year (same ones you just got) and have had no problems. Over time, they will tarnish, and turn a little blue from the heat, but thats all. The coating does hold in some extra heat, and it will keep the headers looking nice, but its not necessary. Its more for looks than anything.
When I first put the headers on, I didn't feel a lot of difference. But since my throttle body and cold air kit, its great. Looking back, I probably would have waited to do the headers last instead of first like I did, but oh well.
By the way, the headers didn't make a big difference in the sound of my truck. I have the Gibson single 3". Made it just a little bit deeper, but not any louder.
Shawn
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Lesley
GenIII
10/23/2001
13:03:10
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Thank you on all those points. I don't care about making them look good, in fact I think the things look like entrails :), besides - who on earth is going to see them ? I was more concerned with performance and longevity. I'm glad about the sound, a deeper, throatier sound would be nice but I don't want loud or obnoxious.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
10/23/2001
15:21:28
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What type of Hp are we talking about gaining with the $300.00 investment here. Is it worth it or not. I have heard in the past that headers are very worthwhile but here they sound like they are OK but nothing grand. Thankx
Joe E.
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Lattimer
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
10:55:18
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I don't have dyno numbers or anything, but when I first put the headers on (right after my cat-back) you really couldn't tell the difference. Now, after the TB and cold air, the truck feels much better. I drove a buddies truck, his is a 99 CC 2wd, he has the same stuff I have except for headers (same gears, auto). My truck is a 2000 4x4 auto (read "Heavy"), and my truck seems to have a lot more all the way through the rpms. If I had nothing but time and patience, I'd put the manifolds back on just to really see the difference. In the end, I would have waited for the headers until all the other stuff was done, but oh well. I don't regret the $300, not a bit. Besides, its nice to be able say I have headers, it makes you feel like your truck is faster, even if it isn't.
Shawn
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
00:44:47
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Doug Thorley offers a set of headers for your application. They are a replacement
set with no modifications necessary. The cost will run 398.00 plus
freight and come in a standard chrome finish.
I got this in response to an e-mail I sent to Doug Thorley looking for headers for my 93 3.9 Magnum. they are at www.dougsheders.agp.com
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
00:50:05
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Doug Thorley offers a set of headers for your application. They are a replacement
set with no modifications necessary. The cost will run 398.00 plus
freight and come in a standard chrome finish.
I got this in response to an e-mail I sent to Doug Thorley looking for headers for my 93 3.9 Magnum. they are at www.dougsheaders.agp.com
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FT3COX USCG
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2003
03:13:53
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hey everyone, i know that this is slightly off the subject but does anyoneknow where i can get pacesetter headers? some of the guys over at dakota usa said that they had some on there truck. and i have a connection that can get them for me for about 135 dollars as long as i can get the part #. so what do you say... help a fellow dakota enthusiest with a problem? thank you
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JKnPA
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2003
06:33:55
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FT3 Cox..........
Did you look here?????????
You didn't say what engine you have!
http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/
John....@ former FTG-3.....DD-561
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DKSport97
Dodge Dakota
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5/01/2003
11:18:04
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anyone? I have a 1997 3.9 dakota sport 100% stock. I want to make it sound REALLY nice, as deep and as loud as humanly possible. I have had a lot of people tell me to get exhaust, headers, and gut my cat.'s. I personally don't know a lot about exhaust or how to get it loud. If anyone can help me I'd really appreciate it.
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stealwings582
GenIII
5/01/2003
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Put JBA headers on, replace the muffler with a Flowmaster 50 series. I promise you'll be happy with the sound. People who live near me think I have a V-8 in it because of the low rumble.
Wouldn't want any other!
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DKSport97
Dodge Dakota
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5/01/2003
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Thats cool, do I need to change anything else, I've heard hundreds of mixed opinions and no definate answers that headers will mess a lot up with the engine or something, like i said i dont understand it all. im just worried that i am going to mess something up, and this is the only car i can afford to get me around right now so i cant get anything going wrong. what do you think? and what other mods. can i do to get that extra little something to make the sound stand out of other trucks in my area? My friend has a bad ass sounding 4.6l mustang gt that sounds nice as crap and my goal is to beat him. thanx.
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Lesley
GenIII
5/01/2003
12:04:09
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I lost a bit of low end with the headers until I
also upgraded the throttle body - then it kicked
ass. Nice sound, and the engine bay looks so
much cleaner, especially with the removal of
those ugly shields.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake,
Not installed: 5.9 litre 360, posi & 3.92s, M1 2bbl , 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs. , KRC cam, mopar perf valve covers & air cleaner
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DKSport97
Dodge Dakota
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5/01/2003
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lesley,
who makes throttle bodies for dakotas, and about how much do the cost?
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stealwings582
GenIII
5/01/2003
13:31:56
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DKSport97, listen to Lesley. She's done a lot as far as upgrades go and if they work good. Lesley, have you installed Roller Rockers yet? I'm thinking of buying some crower 1.7's but still reading the threads to see if they're worth $350.
Wouldn't want any other!
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