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NJQCDak
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11/02/2002
18:29:58
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OK After seeing all the beautiful daks with bumper covers, I may want to install in the springtime. I just had a few questions:
1. These replace the plastic fascia? Is this hard to do? What are the steps?
2. How do I mount the stock fog lamps? And the license plate holder?
3. On the stock cover, Is the bumper the flat black part? and the plastic fascia below that? (I have a Sport) (Xenon talks about a lower valence adn a separate bimper cover, if you have a SLT).
4. How would the Xenon, Street Scene or Stillen look on a non lowered Dak? How much lower are the after bumper covers?
Well that's it for now. Thanks in advance.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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Ted
Dodge Dakota
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11/02/2002
18:42:49
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Yes the black is the actual steel bumper. The bottom is a plastic/poly valance. I am not sure how the fog lights disassemble. I would also like to order a bumper cover for my non lowered(yet) Dakota. I think I am going to go with the Stillen. I have a Xenon roll pan and dont really like the look of their bumper cover. Cool thing about a bumper cover is that us with non R/T's can hide the non R/T look. I already have the factory flares put on, R/T wheels coming, then with the bumper cover I will finally hide the black unmatching front bumper.
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Marks DQC
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11/03/2002
17:11:11
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1. Yes the plastic facia must be removed. The Bumper can stay. Mine covered the bumper.
2. I made angle brackets from the bumper brackets to the openings for the fog lights to be mounted. There is no allowance for running a front license plate. You would have to drill the new bumper cover or go without a plate.
3. On a sport the bumper is flat black and the gray plastic is the lower fascia or valence.
4. The street scene is not any lower than the original. It looks a little lower because it drops straight down while the factory valence curves under. I think they look great on any height Dak.
2001 Dakota Quad Cab SLT , 4.7L, Auto, 3.55, Garnet Red over Slate
Zaino, Tint, Vent Guard, Gaylords Lid, Hotchkis, Bilstein, Wet Okole Covers, Painted Grill Shell w/ Ram inserts, S/S Bumper/Valence Cover, Billet Antenna, Precision Roll Pan, APC Clear Corners, Airaid, Gibson
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Top Dogg
Dodge Dakota
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11/03/2002
18:41:42
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Excuse my ignorance, but I am right that the Street Scene bumper cover comes with no bumper? The reason I ask is I recently got in a collision which destroyed my front end and I'm trying to get insurance to pay for this. Can you order just the stock bumper with no valence? I was also wondering if anyone has found the chrome speed grille inserts for the Street Scene valence, I can only find the brushed, even on the Street Scene website.
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NJQCDak
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11/03/2002
23:03:18
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Mark,
That is one sweet Dak. How much did you pay for your SS bumper cover? I was also looking at Stillen's bumper cover. Advantages are the ease of installation and fog lights are in the stock cover. Stillen goes right over the stock cover. Disadvantage is the increased weight of adding a cover vs replacing. Was it hard taking off the cover and/or bumper? Another question. Is your QC at stock height or lowered? Maybe soon my dak will look as nice as yours. Thanks for all the info.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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Marks DQC
GenIII
11/04/2002
06:59:12
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Thanks NJ.
I got my cover 'special' from a friend that had it on a show truck. He was changing up the look and had removed it. The covers run about $300+ on the net. I've seen them several places.
My Dak is lowered 2/3 with the Hotchkis kit. The lower valence comes off easy. However I had the shop that painted the cover install it. I didn't want the risk of scratching it. It's quite large and unwieldy. With 2 or 3 people it's probably not difficult.
Top Dogg - it covers the bumper, if your bumper was damaged you will still need to buy a new bumper.
2001 Dakota Quad Cab SLT , 4.7L, Auto, 3.55, Garnet Red over Slate
Zaino, Tint, Vent Guard, Gaylords Lid, Hotchkis, Bilstein, Wet Okole Covers, Painted Grill Shell w/ Ram inserts, S/S Bumper/Valence Cover, Billet Antenna, Precision Roll Pan, APC Clear Corners, Airaid, Gibson
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DakUSA
DakotaEnthusiast
11/04/2002
08:28:48
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They are a pain to install on the 2001s and up. Because the truck already has a bumper cover the upper and lower part are one part. when you take that off you do not have a full bumper like on the pre 2001s it is just a push bumper and it do4s not go all the way around the sides. I called SS and stillen and they did not know they changed and told me it would not work. The fog lights also mount different than pre 2001s I had to use sheet metal screws inside the fenderrs to hold it on and still it is loose because the bumper does not fill up the cover. My advice would be to leave the stock rfront on and just cust the lower vert bars out so you don't see them and install the cover over it. If you have a SLT them you have no problem. I an really thinking about taking mine oss cause it just does not fit right and it rubs the tires
Chris Lambert
President Dakota USA
01 Graphite QC -- 4.7 Auto, K&N Drop in, MBRP Dual Exhaust Custom bent on 45s,
Bed Rug, Bed Rails, Euro Tails, Clear Fronts,Truxedo Bed cover, Custon Leather seats, NR Auto gauges,
Boyds Timeless 6s with 275/50/17 Nitto NT450s, GTS style hood, SS front
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xplikt
GenIII
11/04/2002
09:36:19
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If you need a new bumper, get it on eBay from ber97 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871472525) His bumper comes with the mounting bracket welded to the bumper, so you save some money there and it's a much better chroming than stock. You can get it shipped to your door for about $100. A good deal for a quality bumper.
-Mike
http://www.dodgetruckworld.com/xplikt/
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/04/2002
13:40:24
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Hi Chris,
Now I'm really confused. I am trying to find out the install procedures for one of theses bumper covers. I called Stillen and they said I need to remove the stock plastic cover and install the Stillen cover over the bumper with some screws and double stick tape. Is this hard to do? Or does the Stillen cover go over the stock plastic cover? Would this line up correctly with the fog lights? Mark said he removed his stock plastic cover and installed his cover.
Do I install the Stillen or SS cover over the stock plastic cover? Would this not work? Stillen also said that their cover doesn't work with a license plate holder which I need in NJ. How can I remedy that. Maybe I should just get a body shop to do the install after they paint the cover. I thought I can save a little dough.
BTW Nice looking Dak. Is yours lowered? I am trying to image what my QC would look like at stock height and the Stillen cover on it. I read that you are not that happy with your cover and it rubs the tires. I have the stock 255/65x16 tires. Would installing the Stillen over stock alleviate that problem?
Thanks for chiming in. I'm trying to gather all relevant information.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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Rob
GenIII
11/04/2002
14:45:00
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You remove the lower valance then slide the new cover over your bumper 4 screws and some two sided tape and your done.
The hardest part is removing the stock valance.
 1NICEDAK
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/04/2002
20:33:00
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So what does it entail removing the stock plastic lower valence? As much I can see the top cover(just below the headlights) and the lower valence (holding the fog lights) seem to be one piece. Is this called the lower valence? In the service manual, it doesn't show the distinction bewteen the lower and upper valence and the bumper. I got of guessed that the bumper is steel just behind the plastic cover.
Refering back to Chris's reply, the 2001s may not have a full bumper for the Stillen cover to attach to. I wonder if his suggestion of attaching the Stillen cover to the stock plastic will work.
Rob. How did you attach the stock fog lamps?
Again thanks to everyone for their great knowledge and response.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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DakotaJeff
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2002
20:59:46
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hey harvey..where at in N.J.
Jeff
south jersey car and truck club
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blakdak01
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2002
21:13:07
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i had no idea it was this complicated to install a bumper cover, which i also want to do pretty soon.
Http://www.streetsourcemag.com/Profile.aspx?profileid=9795
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/04/2002
22:27:54
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'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/06/2002
21:43:49
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Chris,
I haven't heard from you and I'm sorry to bother you with all these questions. I think it is the engineer in me. Have you tried to install the Stillen bumper cover over the stock plastic valence? I see what you mean regaring the Sport having top bumper cover and lower valence as one piece. I couldn't see if the actual bumper as being a push bumper and not a full one.
Has anyone installed the Stillen cover over the stock cover and have everything line up? I would see Chris's point to make the Stillen fit better and resolve the fog light issue.
I really appreciate everyone insight and this would really help relieve the fears of spending $280 for the cover and paying approximately $400 to paint the cover and not being able to return it.
Thanks everyone for your help!!!!!!
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar
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Rob
GenIII
11/07/2002
13:10:19
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Maybe on a sport its different!
I have a SLT.All I had to do was remove the lower valance then slide the cover over the bumper.I can remove and reinstall the whole thing in five minutes
I mounted my fog light s of of the buper itself under the cover.Then the cover slides up to them.
I just used a couple of pieces of flat bar bolted one end to the buper through wholes that were already there when you remove the valance.Then bolted the light through the other end.
The hardest part is removing the stock valance.
Late Rob
1NICEDAK
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juniork
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2002
16:05:49
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I have a stillen bumpercover on my 02 dak, I had it painted and it pushes on right over top of the stock bumper cover. Some like to put double stick tape on th inside. It took me 30 sec. by myself.
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/10/2002
01:15:57
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Thanks juniork,
Looks like I'm getting a Stillen for x-mas. thank you everyone for providing information.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar, KYB Monomax shocks
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DakUSA
DakotaEnthusiast
11/11/2002
14:15:45
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I am taking mine back off and installing the stock cover then putting the SS one back on. WIthout the Stock cover there is just not enough support. I'll take some pics and show ya what I mean. but for now you can look at the pics from my wreak and see how little support the stock bumper on the 01s and abo\ve give ya.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dakotausa/vwp?.dir=/Crash&.src=ph&.dnm=Dsc00029---1.gif&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/dakotausa/lst%3f%26.dir=/Crash%26.src=ph%26.view=t
youi can see how the bumper does not wrap around like before.
Chris Lambert
President Dakota USA
01 Graphite QC -- 4.7 Auto, K&N Drop in, MBRP Dual Exhaust Custom bent on 45s,
Bed Rug, Bed Rails, Euro Tails, Clear Fronts,Truxedo Bed cover, Custon Leather seats, NR Auto gauges,
Boyds Timeless 6s with 275/50/17 Nitto NT450s, GTS style hood, SS front
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NJQCDak
GenIII
11/11/2002
16:19:35
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Oh boy Chris, did that look bad. I hope she back up and running. Your bumper cover still looks pretty good. I really appreciate all the info and advice everyone can provide. Thanks.
BTW Nice hood!!!!
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar, KYB Monomax shocks
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DakUSA
DakotaEnthusiast
11/11/2002
19:40:52
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she is back as good as new now. Here are the neewest photos after i took the drop off and installed a leer cap
http://www.dakotausa.com/cap/index.htm
Chris Lambert
President Dakota USA
01 Graphite QC -- 4.7 Auto, K&N Drop in, MBRP Dual Exhaust Custom bent on 45s,
Bed Rug, Bed Rails, Euro Tails, Clear Fronts,Truxedo Bed cover, Custon Leather seats, NR Auto gauges,
Boyds Timeless 6s with 275/50/17 Nitto NT450s, GTS style hood, SS front
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dropped 360
Dodge Dakota
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12/30/2002
16:33:17
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Fella's...nice dakota's! Since your on the bumper cover topic, maybe someone can help me to find (if they make) lower billet inserts for a 2000 R/T I ordered upper and lower inserts and only the uppers fit. the lower inserts where for pre 2000, and the guy a summit said they dont make um!!! also I have a one in gap between the bumper and front right 1/4 panel, but it is nice and tight on the left. any ideas on how to adjust it? thank guys.....Draggn in delaware
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02blackrt
Dodge Dakota
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12/30/2002
18:25:21
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I've got an '02 R/T, and the Stillen just slipped over the top of the bumper and valance (tight fit), secured with original screw bolts inside the front wheelwell, and double stick tape on the valance. Very easy with 2 people doing it. I thought the R/T and SLT bumpers were the same (but not sure) except for paint. If so, it couldn't be any easier.
I also bought the billet grill for the lower valance, then found out I couldn't use it because the oil cooler fittings only leave about 1/2" of clearance. Not near enough room. Haven't found anything that would fit and look decent, so I'm leaving it open.
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NJQCDak
GenIII
12/30/2002
20:59:45
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02blackrt,
Nice looking Dak. I just got my Stillen bumber cover. I did some prefit work (I left the 3 bars in the lower valence). I got to sand and clean the cover so I can get it painted. Hopefully, in a month or two. Roughly, how much did it cost to get the bumper cover painted? Primer? black and clear coat? Thanks.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake,
SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel Super Coil, NAPA Cap, Flometrics Billet 48mm TB , JBA Silver Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar, KYB Monomax shocks
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02blackrt
Dodge Dakota
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12/30/2002
21:39:41
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I had my bumper cover, grill shell, rear spoiler, hood, roll pan and mirrors all painted at the same time at the Dodge dealership paintbooth using factory paint and clear coat for $400. (yea, I knew someone) I would expect it to cost around $150-200 just for the bumper cover. The bumper cover should just need roughing up so the paint will stick, and if you do it yourself, it'll save prep costs. Good Luck!
http://www.02blackrt.com
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
12/31/2002
00:23:33
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Really nice Dak 02blackrt, ur cover looks like the Street Scene i just bought but u say its a Stillen? im confused now lol. Luv the cowl hood, gotta get me one of those this spring and have the front cover, rollpan and hood painted all at once for cost savings.
Flowmaster cat back w/15 inch chrome tip, Volant Intake, Poweraid TB Spacer, Splitfire Plugs, full synthetic fluids
3 inch body/1.5 inch Block Lift, 305 70-16 X-Terrains on AR Terons, Pro Comp ES9000's
Grizzly double/single rollbar with (6) Hella's, Manik Nerfs, Line-X, Hard Work & $$$$$$$$$$
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02blackrt
Dodge Dakota
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12/31/2002
00:35:18
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2THEXTRM, yes it really is a Stillen bumper cover. In looking at the StreetScene on Marks DQC's above, I can see some differences. The double spoilers on mine are a little bigger, and there's no molded-in line above the lower grill on mine, it's all smooth. The Stillen appears to extend a little lower also, but it's hard to tell just from pics. From a distance, they'd be hard to tell apart.
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Stoney
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12/31/2002
12:13:50
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Attn: 02blackrt,
Very nice set of wheels you've got there!
I would like to know if your hood is glass or steel and where you bought it from....plz?
Stoney
Dakota addiction
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
12/31/2002
12:43:08
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Thanks for clearing that up 02blackrt, looking foward to installing my SS. Plan on buying a junkyard special front bumper to mount the SS over instead of using the 5 month old bumper that is on it now, that way I can swap bumper for the wintertime(dam rocks and salt mess up the urethane).
Stoney that is the Reflexxion Steel Hood, sweet huh? I like it so much better than the scoop-type hoods, looks best on our Daks IMO. Be nice to get a group buy together for them in the springtime and save some money off the $500 price tag:)
Flowmaster cat back w/15 inch chrome tip, Volant Intake, Poweraid TB Spacer, Splitfire Plugs, full synthetic fluids
3 inch body/1.5 inch Block Lift, 305 70-16 X-Terrains on AR Terons, Pro Comp ES9000's
Grizzly double/single rollbar with (6) Hella's, Manik Nerfs, Line-X, Hard Work & $$$$$$$$$$
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Stoney
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12/31/2002
14:20:04
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Extreme,
Thanks for the info.
This is going to be my #1 "gotta have"
Count me in for a group grope on this hood.
Stoney
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adam
Dodge Dakota
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12/31/2002
15:25:58
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hey, how come know one is talkin about the wings west front fascia? lol, i got it for $230 (on sale from $330) and got it painted black at a shop for $80. it covered the stock valance and bumper and was a tight fit. i used self tapping screws and made custom mounts for the stock foglights. its nice b/c no one else has it but the Stillen looks more clean- should have gotten that. tell me wat u think , look on page 2 of my site http://www.cardomain.com/id/v8blakdak
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