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Thomas J
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4/12/2002
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ok, first i wanted the ram air hoods, now im leaning towards cowled hoods.... what opinions do people have about these hoods? would i get more of a performance gain from the ram air as opposed to the cowled with a cold air intake? i want to eventually get the nnew sniper kit from cervinis and wonder what people think of the front bumper with a cowled hood instead of the ram air. suggestions? ideas? =]
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kota on 20s
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4/13/2002
02:12:41
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i think you would get better performance out of the cowl hood and a 10-14" open element filter. (you know the one that sits on top of you throttle body)
the "ram air" hoods arnt all that great. if you have ever seen a car in a wind tunnel, you would notice the air flows about 1/4" or so off of the body of the car. so the ram air hood dosent work all that great, because it dosent sit up high enough into the air stream to really get air into it.
even if it did, the drag created by the hood, would slow your truck down more than the extra air would help.
my vote is for the cowl
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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SinCity R/T
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4/13/2002
04:36:03
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They're all going to be pretty comparable. 95% of the what an alternate hood is about is cosmetic appearance only. The other 5% is the very slight performance you'll gain from either having colder air pulled in, or hot air sucked out depending on the design. "Ram Air" can't provide enough air pressure to truly increase performance unless it's direct induction and you're going very very fast.
You'll definitely get a performance increase out of a K&N setup, whether you go with a round element or a cone element is relatively immaterial, swapping out the inefficient stock air box is what will give you the power boost.
I recommend you pick the hood that you think . Don't sacrifice the look you want for the $100-300 difference between the hood designs. I'm buying the hood I've always wanted, and will be doubly happy because I won't have to pay full price.
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Thomas J
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4/13/2002
14:43:58
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I travel on a lot of back country roads too. Lot of dust and other things in the air.. another reason i started leaning towards the cowled hoods. ram air would let a bunch of that crap right into my engine wouldnt it?
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Thomas J
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4/13/2002
15:12:05
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btw does anybody know if someone makes a dual cowl hood for the dakota? 2001
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SinCity R/T
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4/13/2002
16:44:45
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The hood itself wouldn't allow any more debris into your engine than any other hood - the air still travels through whatever filtration system you have in place. Our trucks just don't go fast enough to utilize direct induction like massive dragsters.
There are tiny pros/cons to both cowl hoods and ram air hoods. The point I'm trying to stress is that the main reason to get an aftermarket hood is for cosmetic reasons - none of the hoods on the market are going to offer any significant performance increases over any other - swapping to a K&N system is going to be the primary performance difference as far as the air system goes.
Air Ducts for Intakes - Hoods like the Suncoast, Shaker, etc. have ducts where air is routed through the hood and/or additional hardware and then eventually into your air intake system. These are all still filtered by a regular or K&N filter, but since the air is being drawn in from outside the hood it will probably be considerably cooler than the hot air inside the stuffy engine bay. You'll also get a greater air flow using this method, but neither feature is going to give you more than just a few horsepower difference.
Air ducts for heat extraction Some hoods have air ducts or open cowls which are not used for air intakes - these ports typically either allow cool air to enter the engine bay, or use air pressure to draw the hot air out. Pros - cooler engine temperatures, Cons - dirtier engine bay.
Regular Cowl Hoods Adds more space above the air hat - good for TB spacers (junk), Nitrous Plates (rarely used on Daks), round K&N filters, etc. Primary reason for one of these hoods is they look good - Reflexxions did a good job. No ducts means there's no additional dirt coming into the engine bay, but your filters will be drawing in the hotter, relatively stagnant air.
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Thomas J
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4/13/2002
18:00:21
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Hmmmm so bottom line just get the one i like and not give a crap about performance? =]
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kota on 20s
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4/13/2002
22:00:48
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yea, just get the one you like
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Red4.7
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4/14/2002
11:53:49
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so is paying the 300 dollars for the ram air kit worth it?
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2002
12:10:54
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i haev never had one, but i would save the money and buy a mod that will make a bigger differance.
add $75 to that and get a M-1. its worth it.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Thomas J
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4/14/2002
20:13:01
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whats an m-1?
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SinCity R/T
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4/14/2002
21:44:15
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Hoods which have some sort of "Ram Air" intakes will add a tiny bit of performance just because it will either add a bit more cold air to your intake or help take heat out of the engine bay, but this amount is small and pales in comparison to a regular modification like a K&N kit, M1, headers, etc.
I personally wouldn't pay $300 for a Ram Air intake setup - a traditional K&N will do just fine.
The M1 is a performance intake manifold. It helps increase horsepower and move part of your power band from the low rpm's into the upper rpm's, helping out that dead spot when Daks hit 3rd gear.
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Thomas J
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4/14/2002
22:13:27
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Dead spot in third? mine is still running strong in third depending when i shift.... so is the m1 and the k&n both intakes? which should i get? that is the next mod i am looking at.. then exhaust. Should i just go with a homemade intake?
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2002
22:36:59
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the k&n is a filter it is verry good and ads about 10 rwhp.
the M-1 is a intake manifold. the big hunk of metal that the throttle body sits on. if you think yout truck pulls now, wait untill you bolt that on. it adds about 20 rwhp at about 3600 rpm, and at 5200 its about 40 rwhp over stock.
its a VERRY worth while mod
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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bigk
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4/15/2002
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do they make a m1 for a 4.7 yet?
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kota on 20s
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4/15/2002
20:02:02
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the intake manifold is entirely differant on the 4.7's. nothing is out yet for them
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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lobby
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4/15/2002
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do you know if the're out (M1) for the 3.9,
or does the 5.2 bolt on
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kota on 20s
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4/15/2002
23:36:03
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nope nothing for them either. you cant bolt on the M-1, because a v6 has 2 less cylenders than a 8 (obviously) and it just wont fit.
the only thing to do for the v6, is cut the runners inside the manifold down a bit, and clean it up. i think huges performance does this.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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pony1
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4/17/2002
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i remember reading somewhere that bonneville salt flat racers (who drive at 200+ mph) only experience about 1 psi of boost from the incoming "ram air" effect through their hood. so unless the hood comes with a device that literally stuffs the air into your engine, you're going to only experience, at best, .2-.3 psi of boost (at about 100 mph). it would make more sense to call them "cold air" hoods, i think. like everyone else said, buy what you think looks coolest.
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pony1
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4/18/2002
16:57:40
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just read this post a minute ago, explains the "ram air" myth in more detail.
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/v8/798.html
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Walter
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4/19/2002
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does anyone make cowl hoods for 96 & older Daks. I am having trouble finding 1.
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rtxpres
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4/20/2002
11:25:59
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Check out AAR at http://www.aarqualityfiberglass.com/
They have hoods for all Daks and Rams. I've had two styles, the RT hood shown on my Dak on their home page and the cowl hood at the link below.
http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/20KM1FD2KWBP.html
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R/T Superbee
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11/29/2002
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Can anyone tell me what the hood is on this dakota? (go too eBaymotors item #1867218237)It is the coolest looking one I've seen, but can not find anywhere.
00, Durango R/T, K&N cold air, MSD, stage II chip, 1.7 rr lifters, JBA headers & JBA/K&N catback
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xplikt
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11/29/2002
20:50:07
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Which one? There are two on that page.
The second one on the red truck is Jonas's GTS hood. Spendy, but damn cool.
-Mike
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R/T Superbee
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11/29/2002
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It is the blue one. But never mind I think I found it, it is an AAR
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R/T Superbee
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11/29/2002
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So should I do the M-1 or Aluminum heads? And where do I find the M-1 on the internet?
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brad
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3/11/2003
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does anyone know if they make 4" cowl hood for a 97-03 dodge dakota i remember reading somewhere that a dodge dakota at the bonneville salt flats (drive at 200+ mph) with a 4" cowl hood but wanted to know if you can buy it any where or do you have to make it yourself. please e-mail me if any one knows at tarzayman@wmconnect.com
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