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cowboy
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1/21/2003
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To all you 2wd guys out there. i think i came up with a good idea. alright when you put a coil spacer (2") on it pulles the upper control arm down so it is hitting the frame right? Well if you put a ball joint spacer(2") on, it would bring the upper arm back to the normal hight. so you would get the lift you want to run bigger tires. please tell me if im wrong.
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4wDakota
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1/22/2003
09:39:23
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The ball joint spacer would put the ball joint into the rim
You can run a 2" spacer, it's when you get to 3" or more is when you have problems.
BTW: the Fabtech control arms will hold up alot better and handle better than ball joint spacers.
Corey
98 CC 4x4, 5.2 Auto 3.55LSD
3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
10:42:37
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I'm pretty sure I've heard that before useing a ball joint spacer. I beleive quad2nv had the balljoint spacers on his truck as he had the fabtech 2 inch coil spacers and 3 inch body lift.
were are the ball joints? what do they look like and were do I get a balljoint spacer(can I use washers?) I'd be interested in trying this.
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stealwings582
GenIII
1/22/2003
11:34:33
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Damn it, I thought I came up with that idea.LOL. I think this is a great idea since you can't find spindles yet. I wanted to do this in conjuction with the 3 inch Fabtech kit but I've ran into a few problems with the Rack and Pinion steering. The angle of the tie rods is too much for the cheep a** steering system these trucks have. Also I believe you have to Fab your own spacer. I don't know of anyone who makes it. But I'm sure there is someone who has it out there. And just to let you know conig, the ball joints are what the wheel actually pivots on for steering. It's what supports the upper and lower a-arms to the coil spring.
Wouldn't want any other!
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stealwings582
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1/22/2003
11:39:00
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Also you'll need a wheel spacer to prevent what 4wDakota said. But I don't believe it's more than a few inches.
Wouldn't want any other!
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
12:07:27
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how bought If I threw my 17's back on here? you think I would have enough room then? Is there some way to rig up a booster for the rack and pinion. I've already replaced my tie rods with heavier duty units.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
13:53:46
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ahh 4wheelparts has 35 procomp x terrains for a 17 on sale. and 33 12.50 17 all terrains as well.
3 inch fabtech, this setup and 3 inch body=35's maybe if I had alot more money and less dreams.
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cowboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
14:08:32
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It's me again
the ball joint spacer that i am talking about would have to be custom made. (cheaper then spindels) It would go between the upper control arm and ball joint. i do not beleive it would affect anything with the rims. this set up would be used in conjunction with the fabtech lift.
so you would get the 3"+2" spacer.
I have also thought about the steering angle. if you put a piece of 1" tube between the linkage arm and the conection on the spindel it would eliminate the angle problem.
tell me what you think.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
14:29:42
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dang Im gonna have to go craw under my truck and see what your talking about more clearly. lol
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4wDakota
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1/22/2003
14:45:30
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You'll also need to do something about the lower a-arm because it will be 5" from stock. Best bet would be a subframe (cradle) to mount the arms to.
Corey
98 CC 4x4, 5.2 Auto 3.55LSD
3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
16:55:10
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good point 4wheel dakota. I have seen cradle lifts for other trucks I wonder how hard it would be on a dak.
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stealwings582
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1/22/2003
17:52:18
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4wDakota is right. The lower a-arm is brought down more. Be nice if Fabtech made the upper and lower a-arms and a spindle for this issue. Cowboy that sounds good but I wouldn't do anything to the tie rods as far as extending them. The problem is the angle that it's at in relation to the spindle it moves and the rack and pinion steering. Extending it isn't the problem. The best way I know how to fix this, and there is a thread on this here somewhere, is to replace the stock Rack and pinion steering with an aftermarket one. And there are one's out there somewhere. Conig, 33's are as big as you can go without fiberglass front fenders or a different lift. My two cents anyway.
Wouldn't want any other!
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cowboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
18:47:31
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stealwings582 im not talking about extending the steering arm, but mounting it higher on the spindel so that the angle isn't so great. if you look you will see what i am talking about.
and to 4wDakota you are right, but it would be no problem dropping the arm down 2" custom cradle.
well thats the way i see it. The custom parts needed would be farely simple and inexpensive to make.
thanks dave
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lilblackdak
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
22:34:38
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hey if u can get this to work, draw up some plans and the parts needed. (im not the sharpest tool in the shed)
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rivermaniac
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
23:48:27
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hello gents ....The spindle is our best option for more height , but fabtech or anyone for that matter , find it profitable to make them .......The subframe idea is good , the only draw back is the 4 bys and the 2wd's are different in that aspect , so one subframe for 4bys and one for 2wd , and it does't give us anymore travel , only height ...........So what do you want height or travel ?????? I sent some pics of a homemade spindle on a durango to staelwings and to 4wddakota see if they post them ............Also on the 97 and up I beleive , the frame is angled on the passenger side so the lower control arm is different in the way it hold to the frame from one side tahn the other ( this is because of the 4.7 and 5.9 or magnum engines ) Let's see what dwishear comes up with on his ........
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rivermaniac
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2003
23:57:39
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look at pics of suspension done right .........
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rivermaniac
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1/22/2003
23:59:35
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or see if this works ............Posted on my site @ http://www.knobbyman.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album28&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
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cowboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
08:28:16
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hay lilblackdak if you go to http://www.geocities.com/cowboy1dodge/index.htm
you will see some pis i drew this morning .
sorry about them i did it in paint
but i think you will get the idea.
thanks dave
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
10:28:42
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thanks cowboy. that makes what I need alot easier to understand. now to figure out the cradle part.
I've pretty much given up on spindles. I have no idea how to start in terms of getting a set of these even made. or were I could get it done.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
11:20:15
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rivermaniac I assume your talking about the 5th picture on knobby's site for that durango. but I don't see a spindle based on what I beleive they look like. could be clueless but I do see custom upper and lower control arms.
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4wDakota
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1/23/2003
12:45:01
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I got the pics from rivermaniac.
or here:
2wd cusom pics
98 CC 4x4, 5.2 Auto 3.55LSD
3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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stealwings582
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1/23/2003
13:29:13
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Hey, they look good. Nice set up. What is the shock/spring set up from? I haven't seen that used on these trucks. Looks like they went all out to pre-runner it with glass fenders. But to keep it simple and cheap, how can we use the existing lower a-arm? I really like where the lower ball joint is raised to offset the angle of the steering.
Wouldn't want any other!
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
14:00:49
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I see the pics but I'm not seeing the spindle. i don't know maybe im just slow. lol I do see the extension to the upper control arm. wonder why it looks rusted?
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4wDakota
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1/23/2003
14:58:37
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To use the existing lower a-arm you need to build a cradle lik rancho and RCD use on the fords and chevys. It bolts to the stock mounting position and moves the mounting points down. The cradle can also support the rack and pinion if you want to relocate it to keep the geometry right. stealwings, you're an engineer, come on it's easy.
conig, The rusted part is the spindle. It appears that they welded an extesion, much like the ball joint spacer cowboy is talkin about.
The thing to do would be to use a cradle for the lowers and relocate the uppers down. You could make an entire supframe that mounted to the upeer and lower mounts and moves all of them down 3-4". That in combination of a 3" upper a-arm and stock spindle could have 6-7" of lift.
Corey
98 CC 4x4, 5.2 Auto 3.55LSD
3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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cowboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
15:13:59
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4wDakota are you talking about remounting the upper control are too. and if so how would you do that? if you move it down it could no longer be centered on the frame rail but rather on the out side of the rail. right?
dave
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stealwings582
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1/23/2003
15:40:11
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I understand what your saying 4wddak and your right, you could have the cradle reposition everything for more lift off of the stock mounts. Is there a cradle to be bought for these trucks? Probably have to make it yourself. But to go back to what cowboy wanted originally was to make a spacer to compensate for the spindle. If someone does do this, i'd love to see it without having to install a cradle. I was just wanted to keep it simple without adding welds or whole new underframe to make it happen.
Wouldn't want any other!
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rivermaniac
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
20:55:43
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conig , if you can't see the spindle , then get glasses ( lol) it's right there , the rusted part is the extension , and I think I did a damn good job on taking the pics ..........They're king coil shocks, it used to be 4by , but the guy can't find axles to work , so it's staying 2wd .......the extension might work , would the bolts hold the extra 2" ????and why do we need an extension for the steering ????? It's going to stay in the same spot , if we needed to you can flip it over and attach from the top instead of the bottom ............the cradle sounds good , rancho made a lift for the f150 like that , we wouldn't get any travel , but would sit higher ............The lower control arms are different than the 4bys , so we wre in the same boat , who will fab the cradle ??????SPINDLES WE NEED SPINDLES WHAT IS GOING ON , called fabtech , said not in their plans .....
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lilblackdak
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2003
23:56:14
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hey if someone draws up some plans for the spindle to get 3" of lift i will see what i can do to get them made and use my 95 2wd dak as a test subject.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2003
10:33:40
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http://www.geocities.com/quad2nv/index.html
heres his link. I had a past email were he explained the spacer for the ball joints as well. I think outlook deleted it for being to old though.
but this guy ran spacers and the fabtech.
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stealwings582
GenIII
1/24/2003
11:34:23
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Yeah conig, I've seen this link a few times and I really don't think this guy had a 2 Inch daystar coil spacer installed. Main reason I say that is at that time when this came out I called daystar and they didn't have one made yet for these trucks that went two inches. So then I asked the guy who owned this truck what was this spacer originally for. He said is was for a s-10. The s-10 has a smaller spring and acording to Daystar the s-10 spacer won't work on the 2wd gen 3 Dak. But if there is anyone out there that has this spacer installed with the 3 inch fabtech kit, I'd like to see it and find out how much travel they are getting and if it's easily bottoming out on the upper a-arm stop.
Wouldn't want any other!
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4wDakota
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1/24/2003
11:51:33
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Quad2nv did have a coil spacer. It caused the truck to not have any downward travel. HE needed the extra 2" because the swampers he was running were a little bigger than other 33 x 12.50's
You can run the coil spacer on top of the 3" fabtech but it will ride bad and tear up your ball joints
98 CC 4x4, 5.2 Auto 3.55LSD
3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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