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01 R/T
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I guess not all of us Dak owners are to brand loyal to know when to move on to somthing better, follow this link.
http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124324
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pete
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to me it just looks like someone accepted he made a bad choice in an r/t and bought something actually decent. r/t's are over rated. nice - yea, but definately not anything special. go ahead, flame away.. i own one.
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gotanRT
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*grabs flame thrower*
they may not stand a chance stock against something like a ford lightning, but they are fun and reliable...i dont want my manufacturer souping up my own truck for me, i want to be unique and do it my own way...then i can surprise everyone that criticizes the R/T for being a dog...
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01 R/T
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I hear a lot of R/T owners saying they don't want to buy performance, they want to build it. But you know damn well that if the R/T came with a supercharged 4.7 all R/T guys would of been all over it. I say 4.7 because Kenne Bell's supercharger looks like a factory set up on the 4.7 compared to the 5.9 kit which looks after market. You only say you don't want it from the factory because you can't get it from the factory.
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Matt
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I'd take an '03 Lightning over an '01 R/T anyday. I'm sure anyone here would. Notice how a brand new R/T is about $8k-$15k cheaper than a brand new Lightning. Comparing an R/T to a Lightning is as stupid as comparing an R/T to an S-10 Xteme
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CThomp
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I'd buy the R/T because it looks better. I bought a 4.7L because of towing capacity and a 5spd.
If I did buy that R/T i'd take that 8K to 15K that I saved and use it to mod my dak out and smack a Lightning up and down the track.
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pete
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if i did it over again.. id buy a gen 1 lightning.
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blackrtaz
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Dude do you guys realize how fine our trucks look?...lightnings are pu$$y trucks and look like sh!t...every one that i see here in Phoenix Has RICER sh!t all over.... just saw one yesterday that looked like a big @SS black shopping cart with 15-25 HP stickers all over it He even had those clear euros...GAY!.... I rolled up next to him and just pointed and laughed! he was pissed....the Harley davidsons look nice though........
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TurboGuy
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I can think of lots of reasons why I bought the Dakota R/T over the Lighting.
Main reason was SPACE. The L is a single cab truck. Why the f_uck cant they extend the cab?
Im 6' and I feel claustrophobic in those trucks.
Looks. The f_ucking F150 is 8ft tall. Unacceptable.
Finally..its a Ford. Didnt feel like giving another $1500 to my local transmission guy because Ford cuts costs by putting toy tranmissions in Light and HD trucks.
A supercharger will level the field. Then what?
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Turkeyhead
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It kills me how Lightning lovers always talk smack about Dakota R/Ts. Lightnings (factory supercharged) are only a second or two quicker than R/Ts (naturally aspirated). Put a supercharger on an R/T, and it will smoke the Lightning like a cheap cigar. Regardless, both are TRUCKS. Trucks are designed to haul things, specifically things that can't fit into a car, and to carry heavy loads... not to be speed machines. Yes, Lightings may be faster than some R/Ts, but the R/Ts can carry more, tow more, have more interior room, are solidly built, and are as reliable as they come. The Lightning's engine is under constant stress, and its components are cheap. The R/T's engine runs under much lower pressure, and is solidly built (iron block, iron heads, etc., and a proven design).
Trucks seem to resemble their owners; Dakota owners work hard, play hard, and are reliable. Lightning owners, much like their supercharged trucks, whine constantly, and while they can put on a good show, are useful for little else.
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pete
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>>>>Lightnings (factory supercharged) are only a second or two quicker than R/Ts (naturally aspirated)<<<<<
ONLY 1 or two seconds LMAO....
anyways.. easy as just "throwing" a supercharger on huh. ya, ive never seen supercharged r/t's running mid 14's...(rolls eyes - ive seen TONS) lol, a stupercharger, and STILL a FULL second SLOWER! unless youve got the cash to just about completely revamp the tired overused over rated 360, youre not gonna get much out of it. reliable trucks! HA... tranny problems, pinging problems,the infamous cab pop.. severe lack of horsepower so great, a stock r/t will get taken out cold by most decent ricers on the freeway. r/t's solidly built? yet another LMAO!.. ive never seen a year old truck RUST more than the dakota (yet another common problem).. just imagine what theyre gonna look like in 10 years, probably like a rusted out el camino/malibu. all that, AND r/t badges on anything that dodge feels is a bad seller. "hey lets put some rims, and a few minor power mods on it and call it an r/t... theyll move like hotcakes"... well mr. dialmer/chrysler.. youre not fooling anyone.
i do agree the r/t is a good base to start from... but thats usually thought up by people that are dissapointed in the r/t to begin with. in fact i used to say it myself for that reason. honestly now... who buys a vehicle for a "good base".. i mean, i dont know many people with the kind of money to throw around that go out and spend 20-25 THOUSAND dollars just "for a good base"
sorry for ranting people... but for years ive floated around r/t forums, the same points brought up, and the same usless arguements debated. its tiring.. people should just accept the lightning is a better truck, all around, and quit whining because theres a truck out there that will beat it in almost every way. then the argument about payload, towing, interior room comes up... you guys DO know the new harley edition is pretty much a lightning in a different body.... and imo looks pretty cool.
i do like the that the dakota cant be confused with anything else on the road, like isuzus as s-10s and mazdas as rangers. i like the lines of my r/t.. i like driving it, when its not squeeking, pinging, popping, or making some other kind of disgusting noise. i HATE the turning radius.. feels like driving a limo.
aside from that, sorry for the rant, long day at work. let the flames begin
pete
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pete
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>>>>Lightnings (factory supercharged) are only a second or two quicker than R/Ts (naturally aspirated)<<<<<
ONLY 1 or two seconds LMAO....
anyways.. easy as just "throwing" a supercharger on huh. ya, ive never seen supercharged r/t's running mid 14's...(rolls eyes - ive seen TONS) lol, a stupercharger, and STILL a FULL second SLOWER! unless youve got the cash to just about completely revamp the tired overused over rated 360, youre not gonna get much out of it. reliable trucks! HA... tranny problems, pinging problems,the infamous cab pop.. severe lack of horsepower so great, a stock r/t will get taken out cold by most decent ricers on the freeway. r/t's solidly built? yet another LMAO!.. ive never seen a year old truck RUST more than the dakota (yet another common problem).. just imagine what theyre gonna look like in 10 years, probably like a rusted out el camino/malibu. all that, AND r/t badges on anything that dodge feels is a bad seller. "hey lets put some rims, and a few minor power mods on it and call it an r/t... theyll move like hotcakes"... well mr. dialmer/chrysler.. youre not fooling anyone.
i do agree the r/t is a good base to start from... but thats usually thought up by people that are dissapointed in the r/t to begin with. in fact i used to say it myself for that reason. honestly now... who buys a vehicle for a "good base".. i mean, i dont know many people with the kind of money to throw around that go out and spend 20-25 THOUSAND dollars just "for a good base"
sorry for ranting people... but for years ive floated around r/t forums, the same points brought up, and the same usless arguements debated. its tiring.. people should just accept the lightning is a better truck, all around, and quit whining because theres a truck out there that will beat it in almost every way. then the argument about payload, towing, interior room comes up... you guys DO know the new harley edition is pretty much a lightning in a different body.... and imo looks pretty cool.
i do like the that the dakota cant be confused with anything else on the road, like isuzus as s-10s and mazdas as rangers. i like the lines of my r/t.. i like driving it, when its not squeeking, pinging, popping, or making some other kind of disgusting noise. i HATE the turning radius.. feels like driving a limo.
aside from that, sorry for the rant, long day at work. let the flames begin
pete
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Joe
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Sorry but RTs cant tow more or hall more than the lightning. I use mine all the time for hauling and its dragging the ground. Price I paid for driving a truck thats suspended like a car. But it does handle great.
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pete
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who gives a crap about the rated tow/payload capacity anyways... i know if the bumpers hittin the ground.. then i put too much junk in the bed. if i cant climb a hill.. i know im towing too much. screw ratings.
i bet the same people whining about tow ratings are people that dont even have a hitch on their truck... and i bet the ones whining about payload capacity wax their beds.... i know not all... but i guarantee theres some whiners out htere that will never even use their truck as its intended.
pete
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big_torque
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"only a sec. or two faster" LOL.
Theres a big difference in a 15sec to a 13sec ride.
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islanderpc
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It does not take $25000 to match a stock L..they run 13.7-13.9 1/4 mile....with a power adder your in the 12's.
hey guys, First my combo for the 294/320 N/A is as follows:
gen2 intake
QickDs TB
M1 4bbl Manifold
1.7RRs
Mopar Headers
Custom True Dual Exhaust fake cats
transgo shift kit
Mopar PCM
Kammer Racing Cam
260/270 .544Lift with 1.7RRs 0n a 112centerline
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99 SYRC R/T:13.80@100mph! N/A ON STREET TIRES! 294RWHP
-------------------------------------------------Kenny Simpson wrote:
I hit 13.850@9... mph tonight. Also ran a 13.864@9mph. Made 11 more passes and all of them were 13.9's. 2 were 13.903's and I made several of them back to back. I'm very happy!!
Mods are:
M1 2bbl
B&G M1 flash
K&N Gen2
MSD Digital 6, Blaster SS coil, NGK 6097's gapped at
0.035, MSD wires
PPH headers w/ 3.5" Single exhaust w/ Spintech race
muffler
F&B 50mm TB
Harland Sharp 1.7rr's
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-MP M1 2bbl
-MP 1.7 Roller Rockers
-F&B 50mm
-MP PCM
-MP headers (coated)
-NX EFI with GenX II upgrade (125 Shot)
-MP Magnum valve covers
-K&N Gen II
-Gutted 3" Catco Cat
-3" Spin Tech 5441
-Flowtech exhaust cut-out
-Nitto NT 450's
-180* T-Stat
-MSD 6A
-MSD Blaster SS coil
-MSD start/retard
-Optima Red Top
-Taylor 8mm Spiro Pro wires (red)
-Brass cap & rotor
-Mickey Thompson ET Street 26/10.5/15's.
Chris
00 FR CC
Freeport, Tx
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Max Power (N/A): 270rwhp 329ft/lbs
Best Time (N/A): 13.96@98.25 (5/22/02).
Race Weight: 4330lbs (with driver).
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I just ran a 13.68 @ 98 in my black RC.
3.5" single flowmaster exh
No Cat
Stock downpipes ( ugh )
JBA headers
M-1 2bbl w/ small turtle
K&N Gen2 with relocated IAT sensor
160 Stat
52mm F&B ( 50 should give you more bottom end torque )
Mark8 Electric fan
MP PCM and Jet2
Autolite 3923's, Taylor wires, accell cap and rotor
ASP underdrive pulleys and UD WP pulley
Ground force drop
BFG Drag Radials on 15" Dak rims... 26" overall height.
Danno
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0' 1.92
330' 5.68
1/8 8.87
mph 77.20
1/4 13.976
mph 95.40
matt santwire 2001 rc
custome aluminum cold air intake
slightly modded stock bore TB
hooker long tube headers #5803's
custom 3 inch y pipe into single 4
hand built muffler
mopar 2400 converter
mickey thompson et streets 26-10.5
no bumper (steel rollpan)
truck weight with me in it and 1/4 tank of gass
4055 lbs at the track just after getting the time slip
etc etc etc............
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unholy1
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I looked at both the R/T and the lightning before I bought the R/T. My main reason was the Club Cab option, I hate standard cabs. Also, the Lightning is a full size truck, it goes really fast straight but its still an F-150. I dont want a big ass truck, I like the size of the R/T. The other reason is the money difference. With the R/T I can afford to play around with the looks and the performance of my truck without having to wait until I have it paid for before I can afford to do anything to it. The lightning is the perfect vehicle for people with no imagination and too much money.
MOPAR OR NO CAR!
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96bluedak
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Both lightning and r/t are automatic though... How am I supposed to have fun in either. :(
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Durango
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Simple perspective: If money was not an option.... R/T or Lightning?
Any realistic person is going to say Lightning. It is a faster truck that outperforms the R/T in every way. You may prefer the looks of the R/T over the Lightning, but there is no way you can prefer your performance. It is simply not arguable.
"Slap a supercharger and this and that and I will smoke a lightning" blah blah blah. Put a pulley and chip on a Lightning and no, I don't believe you will smoke him.
Every arguement FOR the R/T I hve ever seen is worthless. The only valid arguement is that you prefer the looks. That is it. You can say price was an issue, but don't say that you are spending the money you saved on mods for your R/T. No way, you would've bought a Lightning if you had the dough.
We all know how much both cost and how both perform. So what is left to argue? Nothing. Lightning outperforms RTs, but cost more. Period.
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blackrtaz
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1. looks ugly compared to our R/ts
2. Big bulky, f150
3. spoilers, and stickers
4. only fast in a staight line.
5. costs twice as much for the quote "performance"
6. cab room
7. built from the factory fast
Now Lightnings are for Pu$$ies who cant work on their trucks or dont have the desire or NOhow to build a real hotrod.....Hands DOWN! I would take a lightning.... if it was givin to me.... then I would trade it in for two R/TS or a new R/t and a SRT4...ha ha ha mopar4LIFE!
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gotanRT
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a lightning is good if you have no personality...how are you gonna stand out in the crowd if you bought the SAME factory supercharged ferd that everyone else did?...it doesnt surprise anyone that your lightning will run 12's...but it does surprise people when an R/T runs 12's...
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DeepDak
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Durango,
"You can say price was an issue, but don't say that you are spending the money you saved on mods for your R/T. No way, you would've bought a Lightning if you had the dough." Dumb!
True motorheads don't decide on one vehicle over the other just because it is out of the box faster. I had the dough, but I didn't buy the L because I think it's too tall and bubble looking. My buddy(had the cash) didn't buy a new stang because it's faster than the '94 he purchased(for the time being). Yes, my buddy and I purchased our vehicles because we like the way they look. Performance can be added whenever to whatever vehicle, it only takes a little time and money.
Really, who purchases a vehicle that is hideous(in there opinion) but fast? If this was true, I would have purchase a z28(ugly to me but fun, fast & affordable).
With the money I have saved on purchasing a used R/T instead of a new truck(won't use the L scenario because I would never purchase one), I've purchase a few key items for my truck. My truck now runs low 9s in the 1/8 without a supercharger or nx. I've seen Ls run low 9s and high 8s at the same and different 1/8 mile tracks. A L is just another vehicle at the track, except that most of the owners like the work done by the factory instead of getting there hands dirty!
Eli
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Matt
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Well spoken pete!!! Another person that agrees with me!
I get sick of people saying that they would rather drive their R/T over a Lightning anyday! Me? I'd much rather prefer a Lightning over an R/T anyday. Lightnings aren't cheap though. They tend to cost around $30k brand new. If I found a modded out R/T thats brand new for $30k, then I would just get the R/T because its faster and worth more. Brand new R/T's go for $27k-$29k! Thats only $2000 cheaper!
And whats this about having no problems with your Dakota??? What's that? I have had about $3k worth of problems with my R/T. Now I know why my extended warranty was RECOMMENDED. It should be a MUST, not recommended. Glad I bought that!
And the towing?? Who gives a $hit! I cannot find any R/T owners that plan on towing a damn house. Who cares which has more towing. My brother towed our Mastercraft boat to Tennessee (I Live in Indiana) and didn't have to worry about his towing capacity. The only thing I plan on towing is a damn boat or Sea Doo.
By the looks of it...I would much rather prefer a Lightning over an R/T. My brother has owned his Lightning for over 2 years and still has had now problems. I have had my R/T for less than a year and have ran into many!! The only reason that I didn't buy a Lightning like my brother's is because my R/T was $13,000 cheaper than his. If I would've had the money, I would've got the Lightning
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Blue_Bullet
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I dont have an R/T nor do I have a lightning. The ford lightning is fast, yes an r/t can catch up for a cheaper amount of money. But lets face it, Durango is right, a lightning owner can do mods as well and smoke your r/t anyways. So why dont we just accept that fact, and say that the lightning will seem a whole lot slower when the ram srt10 starts to produce itself on the streets.
A Dakota is hands down the fastest mid-size pickup made. Thats fine with me. I enjoy that fact because if there is one thing i hate more than a ford its deffinately chev trucks. And neither company can compete with the junk they throw in our class.
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blackrtaz
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exactly... what does ford have in the dakota class? "the edge" ranger? oh yeah thats why they compare their Ls to our R/ts cause they cant compete in the same class....thats like saying to some kid "hey uhhh your Geo metro sucks cause it cant tow like my ram heavyduty" "you should have bought the Ram Kid." thats Retarded....MATT, you state that "I get sick of people saying that they would rather drive their R/T over a Lightning"...Man get the F out of this forum, We are sick of little whinny Pu$$ies like yourself who dont have pride in what they drive. And dont have respect for a DODGE FORUM....
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pete
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blackrtaz:
how long have you owned your truck? ive had my r/t a little over 3 years.
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03 R/T
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Well actually I just bought a 03 about 3 months ago and its loaded for 26,000. I would be willing to bet my truck over your little ford that if i put that extra 4 grand in the rt then you would be looking for someone else to line up next to next run .
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Matt
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Thats funny blackrtaz! When did I even say I don't like what I drive? I love my R/T. I simply said that I'd rather drive a brand new Lightning over a brand new R/T! Sure I've had many problems and I'm not happy with that but I still love how it looks and handles.
I don't ever recall not having repect for the DODGE forum. I love this site. Its one of my favorites. Must've had some trouble reading.....sorry you don't double check what you read before you react
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Matt
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And '03 R/T, FYI he bought his '01 Lightning for $25,000. Just thought I'd let you know.
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03 R/T
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sounds like a good deal price wise. HOWEVER I am a loyal mopar man DAD has a 72 cuda and grandad has a 71 challanger r/t so I will have my mopar over a 800 hp ford or chevy . THATS JUST ME drive what you want. IF you dont chang the oil it wont last anyways AND DONT DRIVE IMPORT PILES OF $HIT!!!
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CDAWG
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Are There no Ford or Chevy forums for these losers? I would't waste my time as a Dodge owner on a Ford Forum. Or do their simpleton egos just need a boost?
Ford owners don't want to get their hands dirty.
I would rather buy an R/T and build from the ground up. period. It's still faster per dollar.
This is a Dodge site...If you shouldn't be here, then carry your asssss.
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