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Craig
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6/05/2003
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I have been in the market for a '99 Dakota RT ClubCab. What i'm looking for is a fast truck, but I havnt been hearing that the R/T's are even fast. What level of speed are they in? Will Dakota R/T's stay with Mustang 5.0's? Will a R/T beat a 5.4L Magnum Dakota. Please give me some examples, im kind of worried about buying one now. Stock from a sitting stance, how long will a Dakota R/T smoke its tires for? Is it a slug?
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4.7
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6/05/2003
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better drive you a 4.7 before you get a rat/turd
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FastD
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6/05/2003
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They are fast for the money. I mean you can pick a used one up as little as 15,000 or so you won't find a faster truck (ie.lightning) for less than 25,000 used and $30,000 or more new. So, yes an RT has great bang for your buck performance however I've heard a rc 4.7 w/5speed is a good choice also. Or you could go out a get you a rc 1500 hemi ram. Later.
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00287RC
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6/05/2003
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best bang for you buck is a regular cab 4.7 5spd. Dont get a club cab R/T, they are slow, even late models. Your best bet is to get a 00 and up regular cab, 4.7 or R/T. When you say keep up with a 5.0, man there are so many combinations of 5.0's and most are modded. It might keep up with a 85 drop top automatic, but not a 89 5spd coupe or 93 Cobra.
Never heard of a 5.4 magnum, i think you mean a 5.2(318).
98-99 R/T's are slow stock, I dont care what anybody says. With some mileage on them be looking for mid 15's at best. With that kind of 1/4 mile, dont count on beating a late model nissan maxima. 00 and up R/T's are considerably quicker, some regular cabs can break in to the high high 14's stock, but most are in the low 15's.
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Josh
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6/05/2003
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I found that amazing considering I romp 2001 and 2002 R/T CCs in my 99 R/T CC i lose to my friend 00 R/T RC but he has far more mods then I do... Next week that will change aswell :) The truck will run just wake them up!
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SinCity R/T
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6/05/2003
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It depends on what you consider 'fast'. The R/T package was NOT intended to directly compete with a brand new Lightning or Camaro SS - they're completely different classes of vehicles. The 5.9L V8/46RE 4-Spd Auto was designed to be a towing combination for the Dodge Ram pickup truck!
Way too many people think that just because a Dakota has a V8 in it that it will hang with all the other vehicles with V8's... It won't. The CC Dakota weighs in around 4300-4500lbs, and it has a towing motor with a towing powerband and towing gears (although they screwed up and put in a very anti-towing suspension package). The rest of the package consists of handling and cosmetic upgrades. Why do people think a $2500 upgrade package is going to turn a docile truck into a rampaging beast? The marketing department at Dodge is amazing - people believe all sorts of hype when they see "R/T" or "HEMI" these days.
The newer 4.7L/5-spd combo is capable of going equally as fast as the 5.9L/4-auto combo right off the showroom floor when it comes to drag racing. However, the 5.9L engine can be modified in many more ways with many more parts available, and can become very fast if you upgrade the right parts. The 4.7L engine has a few bolt-on goodies but aside from one or two examples like Duner you don't see anywhere near as many fast modified 4.7's as you do 5.9's. The 5-speed transmission is also a liability when it comes to harder mods - it isn't as sturdy as the 46RE transmission.
A factory RC R/T will run somewhere around 14.7-15.1, and the CC will run 15.2-15.7 - these figures will vary +/- depending upon driver experience, altitude, track/weather conditions, etc.
If you want to run 13's in the quarter mile, buy a 2003 Mustang Cobra or SRT-4. If you want a nice truck that can haul stuff yet still post respectable numbers (for a N/A truck), then get the R/T.
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pete
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6/05/2003
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the only people that really call the r/t slow are the 4.7 owners.. they all have their reasons. the 4.7 5spd 3.92 is an excellent setup. stock vs. stock, ive (have a 99 r/t) never had a problem with a 318, or a 302. 318 5 spd takes some decent mods, but not many to compete or pass an r/t. 302 stag, takes about the same mods as a 318. never had a problem with a gen 1 lightning either, equal mods to me. whatever their arguements are, towing motor. gears blah blah blah.. dont matter much to me. my truck gets the job done just fine, what they say about it doesnt change the fact ill still stomp a mudhole in most of them on raceday. personally i dont know if i would buy another r/t, or make a 4.7 clone, with flares and rims. id probably still opt for the 360 soley based on the aftermarket. i did 15.1 stock in my ccab. bud did 14.9 stock in his 99 ccab. and when i say stock. im talking out of the box, stock air filter, tires.. everything.
how long will she spin the tires?... as long as you want i guess. mine will stripe an average intersection with 275/50's on a colder day with cold tires. you can literally pop a set if you want to just mess around on a country road or parking lot.
i had the "my 99 r/t is slow" complex when i traded my 5.2 sport for my 5.9. got in the 5.9, not much difference in seat of the pants horsepower, definate more seat of the pants torque. if you spend your money in the right places... you will not be dissapointed with the r/t. theres more than a handful in the 12's... i think a few in the 11's, and the rest running 13's, most n/a.. then theres us 14+ guys that just like to play every now and then. it all depends on you dude... in 3 or 4 years, if you still have the truck you want to buy... how do you want to have it at that time?... think down the road options, not out of the box 'what do i get"
pete
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afi360
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6/05/2003
14:47:27
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yea...the r/t isnt fast at all...with no potential either.
i agree, the marketing clowns at dodge are amazing..paint anything with "r/t" and everyone craps themselves...even the aenimic neon r/t of a few years ago. ill admit, if i could have afforded a lightning when i bought my dak, i would have. i am very glad i didnt. im now going faster than lightnings, with no blower, no re-gearing, AND i can still carry 3 passengers.
as far as smoking the tires....well....how long do you WANT to smoke them...cuz 345ft/lbs of torque in a mid-weight class truck have no problem lighting them up for you.
yea...its still stock. NO you cant look under the hood.
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pete
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6/05/2003
14:52:58
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r/t has no potential?.. what are you smoking. the guys i know that take their "slow no potential" trucks from 15.x to 12.x ... what do you call that? a freak occourance?.
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00287RC
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6/05/2003
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dont listen to all the propoganda. Listen to Sincity he's got some good facts. Any of these trucks R/T's or 4.7's can be fast, but be prepared to spend some money if you want to compete with a stock LS1 or Lightning. Dont expect to buy either truck and pull up next to a late model F body or Lightning and lay down some smack.
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lew
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6/05/2003
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some r/t's may be fast but mine sure isnt. the best i could run in the 1/8 mile was a 10.37. it is a 2001 cc. and as far as spinning the tires from a stop you can forget about it in mine. if i stomp on the gas from a stop i get maybe 5 feet of tire spin sometimes it doesnt even break them loose. it came with a k&n filter and i put in 3923 autolites a 40 series flowmaster and a superchip programmer and it still wont spin the tires. you may have more luck than i did by purchasing a r/t cause some people on here say there r/t's will smoke the tires like crazy and run consistant 9.7-9.9 in the 1/8. they must have built mine late friday evening or something.
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SinCity R/T
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6/05/2003
17:02:47
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Why is everyone so damned obsessed with smoking the tires? Smoking the tires is BAD! It means you don't have any traction, which means you aren't going anywhere, which means you're LOSING!
255/55-17's aren't exactly a tiny tire to be putting on a pickup truck (Dakota R/T stock size). That's a lot more contact patch to get slipping than a whole lot of other vehicles are running with. Throw a couple of bolt-ons into the R/T and sure you can roast 'em up all day long, but why would you want to? Stick 'em on the ground and get moving...
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lew
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6/05/2003
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"Why is everyone so damned obsessed with smoking the tires? Smoking the tires is BAD! It means you don't have any traction, which means you aren't going anywhere, which means you're LOSING! "
TELL THIS TO LEWLEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jim
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6/05/2003
17:58:47
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If your looking for a R/T, I've got a 2000 R/T CC with tons of mods. I run a 13.8-14.2 with slicks depending on the conditions, and on street tires I am right around a 14.4. The wife and I are having a baby and I have to sell the truck and get a SUV. Truck runs perfect and like I said has a ton of mods, exterior, interior, engine, etc.. If your interested shoot me an email f98sentra@aol.com The truck is Black and has 27K on it.
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used
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6/05/2003
18:16:50
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after reading threads on this site i don't who would buy a used dakota..............try this try that, can't u guys leave anything along and just drive it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the real lew
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18:20:27
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hey sin city r/t ,
maybe some people like to smoke tires dumbass.
not everyone has the same likes and dislikes as you moron.if i wanna spend all my money on tires just to go out and burn the tread off of them than thats my business.dont get me wrong i dont spin my tires often. but i think its fun to do once in a while . my main thing is i just find it hard to believe that 345 ft lbs of torque cant spin these things.
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Jim
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Lew you have been watching too much Cheech & Chong
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pete
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6/05/2003
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ive never ever ever had any problems spinning anything on my truck, weather it be stock goodyears, 305/35 bfg's, or my current 275/50 nittos
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pete
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why would you buy used?....cuz unless youre close to loaded, i cant see spending 26k on an r/t i got my 99 in 2000 used for 19k 5400 miles. theres tons of good used trucks out there... just know who youre getting it from.. if i were to buy another used r/t i would buy it from someone ive known over the boards for a while and know all about their truck, and what theyve done in the past with it. i kinda shy away from the anonomous ebay modded trucks that pop up out of no where.
pete
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Josh
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6/05/2003
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In Sin City R/TS Defense.. HE IS RIGHT... if you want to smoke your tires but 50 pounds in them go threw the water on the track don't burn it off just pull up to the line and have over 1 second RT!
For the dude wtih a R/T 01 Sin City knows this too... if he is at a dead stop and punchase it he s hould brake loose like no other... I can pucnh at at almsot 30 and hear it barking... So I dunno what is up I would just suggest modding the damn thing!
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Matt
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6/05/2003
20:56:43
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Alright, first of all, a 5.9 liter engine is alot bigger than a 4.7 liter engine. Therefore, its faster!! My R/T may seem slow now but I sure as hell know its alot faster than a 4.7 liter Dak. And the R/T's look better too. The 4.7's come with cheap, crappy looking plastic-black bumpers. I would much rather prefer an R/T over a 4.7 anyday. They have better looks and performance. Don't let some idiot 4.7 liter owner truck you into thing that its faster. Use you gut feeling and get the bigger engine!!
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pete
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6/05/2003
21:10:44
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so a bigger engine means its faster?... where have you been all my life.. sure wish i learned everything from you!! ::cough::BS::cough::
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DrewzR/T
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6/05/2003
21:37:49
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Wow I think this arguement will never end! LOL
Bigger doesnt always mean its better!
Matt there are a lot more contributing factors on how fast your shiznit will go besides how big your motor is! True it is a big part of it! I have raced a few 4.7's at the track and they are pretty darn fast. I looked in my rearview to see how much I was pulling on one and to my shock I wasnt and I quickly looked over in my passenger mirror to see him stayin right with me. All he had was a cold air intake. I was also beaten by 2 that had a few bolt ons (1 had a blower the other Nos) =) That was when I was stock and the best I ran was 15.18 straight from the highway into the staging lanes.
Sure the R/T looks better thats the reason I bought mine! Mind you If I couldve ordered the 4.7 with a 5 speed in my R/T I wouldve ordered it!
So matt if bigger is better that means your saying that the 5.9 360 is better than the new 5.7 hemi! Or the 351 they used to use in the lightnings are better than the new 5.4 tritons! Dont think so! Technology my friend!
Sorry for the long post!
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00287RC
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bigger means better? in that case I need to go buy a stock 76 Pontiac 455 block with a beefy 210hp and drop that baby in my dak.
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dakotaboy03
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6/05/2003
23:34:38
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Okay here is what i've seen. My friend bought a used rc r/t and it would flat burn the tires off if u let it. It only had a flowmaster exhaust and k&n gen. 2. This truck would flat hall. Then i have a friend that just bought a cc r/t and it isn't fast at all. i Have a 318 slt with the 4 speed auto and i can run with him. The club cabs are slower which is to be expected there is no way to have a fair comparison between all of the dakotas so just be happy and proud u have an american built awesome truck..that's what i do
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pete
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6/06/2003
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i think dodge is the most tempermental truck ever, ask someone what an r/t runs stock and youll get anywhere from 15.7 down to 14.7. no one can ever agree on it.
pete
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afi360
R/T
6/06/2003
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99 c/c r/t...chicago in 68 degree weather..15.4 bone stock with 35k.
there is your no b.s. answer.
yea...its still stock. NO you cant look under the hood.
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pete
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6/06/2003
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thats funny, theres no tracks in chicago...must be talking about gld in wi, byron near rockford, or rt 66 in joliet....
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pete
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6/06/2003
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not to mention my no bs answer is 15.1, my friends no bs answer is 14.9, an east coasters no bs answer was 14.7 (at cecil i think).
holy crap you proved my point for me.
pete
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ruhlahan
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6/06/2003
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Ok, so what out of curiousity, and not for sake of argument, what kind of numbers have 4.7's done, stock, or modified, auto or 5spd. I just got a reg cab, 4.7 5spd, with 3.92, and curious what it will run, and with what mods...
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00287RC
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my stock 00 RC 4.7 auto w/ 3.55's ran 14.98 with 5k miles. That was at Ennis Texas on a cool summer night, probably in the high 70's. Maybe I have a reamer, I dont know but i've personally seen other 4.7's break into the 14's stock.
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