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Mithrac
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Hey everybody. I just purchased an 03 Dakota R/T. My question is about performance. The truck is a rc with 3.92 gears. It is completely stock. What kind of 1/4 mile times should it run? It seems very sluggish. The truck only has 130 miles on it but it doesn't seem very torquey. I also own a Mustang that run high 11's so I think it may be just me. Thanks for you input.
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bernd
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3/28/2003
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In stock form, they run anywhere from 15.7 - 15.2 (varies on tune of the vehicle from the factory).
Headers, 50mm TB, 180 degree t'stat, and a better exhaust system will definitely wake up the performance. From there, cam/head combination, roller rockers (either 1.6 or 1.7:1 depending on if you're going to change the cam), and an M1-2BBL intake will also help out in getting the truck into the mid to low 14's. 13-second runs will require some weight reduction and a combination of the above modifications.
If you want to get into the 11's with the Dakota (and that's not an easy feat without a lot of money)...have fun with the Mustang and use the truck as a tow vehicle instead.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
"Upgraded" V6 w/60HP Dry Shot
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Mithrac
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3/29/2003
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Thanks for the info. I'm not looking to make the Dakota run 11's. I bought it because I think they are great looking trucks and I needed an everyday driver. Also, you read my mind I wanted something that could tow the stang. Just wanted an owners experince on what they run stock. I probably won't do many mods to it but it seems high 14's shouldn't be that hard to obtain. Thanks again.
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slow r/t man
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3/29/2003
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My CC ran 15.50s bone stock. It does take alot to make them fast. I don't know of any in the 11s
try this site for the best stuff.
www.krcperformance.com/
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Waltherone
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3/29/2003
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go to dragtruck.com, there are some in the 11's, but it takes quite a bit. There's a couple faster and BARELY slower ones in houston here too
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4.7
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3/29/2003
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You didnt read Mopar magazine, should have bought a 4.7! Hell you should have waited for a hemi. That old pushrod is slow.
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steve
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3/29/2003
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Oh! That magazine that is now kapput!? Get real.
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lil blue rt
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I don't care what anyone says, an r/t will eat a 4.7
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lil blue rt
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Oh yeah, I've seen 14.6 to 16.1 out of stock R/Ts.
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Wesley
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3/29/2003
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I think that they respond really well to modifications. I have a K&N Gen 2, 52mm TB, 2bbl M1, MP Headers, 3" exhaust, MP torque converter, and 4.56 gears.
Before the gears, I ran a best of 13.866 @ 97.27. I know of a couple of others that are also on the stock heads/cam running faster than that (one just ran 13.3xx). These are all club cabs too. Tony Cellana has his regular cab running low 13's (his best is 13.0x I think).
Wesley
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Waltherone
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Last time at the track, there was a CC R/T, stock with an intake, that ran a 15.2 best that night. Same night, I, with my stock with intake 4.7 CC auto, ran a 15.3, but I had the 3.55 gears and open differential. So, you, lil blue rt, can argue all you want, but it comes down TOTALLY to driver, because the trucks are too close to call, I don't care what you think you've seen on the street, this was at the same track, same night, within an hour of each other making our runs.
Might as well agree to disagree, before this turns into a gay flamewar..
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Jack
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3/29/2003
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Hi Wesley,
You are full of ѕhit.
Thanks,
Jack
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bernd
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3/29/2003
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Jack...I've seen a (almost) stock R/T running mid 13's without any problems. TonyC from Florida did this last year at the Houston Raceway Park.
It's possible.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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Jack
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3/29/2003
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"K&N Gen 2, 52mm TB, 2bbl M1, MP Headers, 3" exhaust, MP torque converter" does not = 13.866 @ 97.27. Unless he forgot to mention his 100hp shot of nitrous.
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Lello
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3/29/2003
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To 4.7..........
How old are you?? my guess is 17. Grow up!!
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Jack
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HERE are Tony C's mods and timeslip. I think you mistook 13.489 as his. I believe his was the 14.079. Without a TC, there is no way he could get a 1.886 60' time out of the auto, even with the 4.10's. A 1.886 is a HELL of a launch, and a 2.3xx is the norm for our trucks.
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Ginther
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3/29/2003
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I have a 2002 R/T CC. It used to run very consistant 15.4's with nothing but a homemade PVC intake tube and K&N filter and a magnaflow muffler. I removed the spare and tailgate and managed a 15.3
I think I'm the one Waltherone is referring to.
Then I installed 2000 year model Mopar headers, deleted all three cats (simm box) and ran a single 3" exhaust thru a Dynomax super turbo.
That mod alone netted me consistant 14.7's with a best of 14.62 @ 92.84 mph, 2.1 60' on stock RSA's.
Wesley - I'm behind you guy. I know you from Delphi and some other guys who've met you in person. I believe you.
Waltherone - Yes, in stock form they are "close" but with a few simple mods - the R/T walks away. Example - Grady with his exhaust, homemade CAI and HO cams - 14.9 best - and that's even with a manual tranny. I imagine an auto would be a few 10ths slower.
But hey - All V8 Dak's are cool!! ;-)
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bernd
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3/29/2003
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Tony ran a mid-high 13 at the Houston Raceway Park last October. Tom "Slick" North was in the opposing lane and can verify it for ya.
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bernd
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3/30/2003
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Almost forgot...he's now running the M1 w/turtle and different injectors.
This is his latest Dyno:
M1 2bbl with large turtle, F&B 52mm, 19 pph Design III injectors
293 @ 5000, graph started too late to get true peak ft/lbs, but showed 365 @
3100
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Wesley
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3/30/2003
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Hi Jack,
How do you figure I'm full of sh!t? Do you want to see time slips? Why don't you take a look at this video of Ryan H. with his N/A '01 CC R/T at cecil since you obviously don't think it is possible. No nitrous, no supercharger. He has me beat by 1/2 second with the only difference between our trucks being that I don't have 1.7 rr's.
And please, please tell me how I'm full of sh!t! I really want to know.
http://members.aol.com/black99rt/ryan1338.zip
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Wesley
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3/30/2003
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Jack,
I just re-read your ever so informative post and I'll list everything for you nice and neat, even the stuff which made no difference.
2001 CC R/T
K&N Gen 2
52mm F&B TB
2bbl M1 w/ large turtle
2000 Mopar headers with cat box
3" cut-out
3" carsound cat
3" spintech muffler
removed clutch fan
MSD digital 6 ignition
MSD coil
MSD wires
NGK plugs
MP 2400 torque converter
28x11.50x15 Hoosier QTP tires
Gemtop hard tonneau
Street Scene roll pan
Street Scene hidden hitch
It runs consistent 13.90's-14.00's with the only difference coming from the weather. I don't remove any weight for the track besides taking out the loose crap inside the truck and I don't remove sway bars or spring clamps. The night it ran 13.866 it was about 35 degrees. The track is in Erwinville LA, State Capitol Dragway, and the elevation is probably around 10ft.
Any more questions?
Wesley
'01 CC R/T
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Ginther
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3/30/2003
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Wesley - email me, gotta question
keginther@sbcglobal.net
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Jack
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Bernd, how would you explain the 1.88 60' time without a stall?
Wes, sorry, I still don't believe you. Would love to see it...
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Wesley
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3/30/2003
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Next time I go, I'll bring a video camera to satisfy your curiosity. I'll scan them tomorrow, but here are the slips for a few runs.
R/T .543
60' 1.942
330 Not working
1/8 Not working
MPH Not working
1000 Not working
1/4 13.866
MPH 97.18 (sorry, not 97.27)
R/T .966
60' 1.991
330
1/8 8.902
MPH
1000 11.630
1/4 13.951
MPH 97.10
DIAL 13.90
R/T .561
60 1.959
330 5.699
1/8 8.846
MPH 77.69
1000 11.591
1/4 13.920
MPH 96.56
Wesley
'01 CC R/T
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bernd
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3/30/2003
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If you see Tony run (with CalTracs and Slicks)...you'll understand.
He dials in a 13.70 and runs a 13.701. Tom has the timeslip from that race so we'll see the 60' time. Tony's best runs have been: 13.489 @ 99.82.
Heck, i've pulled a 2.01 60' with my 5-Speed!
Don't worry Wesley...we know what TonyC and other R/T's can do. It's primarily up to the driver to really know they're vehicle.
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Wesley
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3/30/2003
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Having Jack not believe me really doesn't bother me too much, lol! The people that know me know that I don't BS my times or my truck. Somebody is ALWAYS faster. Somebody doesn't believe me, let's line em up at the track, there's no use in bench racing.
I did find one of Tony C's posts on the RTML where he listed his best time as 13.0x. Here it is:
My 13.099 was at Bradenton Dragway in FL. Look out for me at MATR.
TonyC
Fastest NA stock cam/head package RC
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Herrin
To: dakotart@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dakotart] Re: What's the fastest N/A Club Cab running???
>"Rob Rohe" wrote:
>>looks like we'll have to have 2 catagories for fastest N/A RC & CC
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>>1-numbers matched CC & RC
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>>2-non-numbers matched CC & RC
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>LOL! Well, I guess I can still claim the fastest CC in the first
>category. That is interesting, though, that both Tony's and Ryan's
>engines have been replaced. I agree it don't matter, just a funny
>coincidence. You may want to break that down even further, to Cecil
>and non-Cecil runs.
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>Terry Herrin
>99 FR CC RT
>13.603 @ 99.35, 337rwhp, 360 N/A
>Wilmington, NC
>Dakota R/T Club, Executive Board, SE Region
>http://bellsouthpwp.net/t/h/therrin/dakota.html
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Waltherone
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Naw Ginther, I was referring to a young guy that was at the January meet, I think his name was Brandon. Or jason, something like that, he had a black club cab with just an intake and ran the 15.2 THAT same night.
And about grady, I dont know man.. I ran the 15.31 with a 2.46 60', and a 15.37 with a 2.47 60' time, I think if I can get my 60' time down to just a measly little 2.2, 14's are in the bag, and I still only have the intake as a mod. Plus the hacksawed muffler :)
After first time at the track having to launch on open differential with 215/75/15's (and cutting a 2.33 I might add :P ) and then next time at the track still being on the one-wheel-peel, I think the gears and LSD are gonna make a WORLD of difference in my first 60 feet....we will see soon ;)
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Ginther
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Yes, having both rear tires drive will help! LOL!!
Whenever you feel froggy come getchasome!
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Black R/T
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The next time we all start an argument in here like the raging 4.7 vs 5.9 etc flames...
Or the next time you all complain about being so slow... then just compare to the brief listing below of STOCK 1/4 mile times of new and past vehicles.... I put a seperation at the 15 sec mark. As several 4.7's or 5.9's seem to come very close to that.
You will likely be very pleased when you see the large number of vehicles new and old that cannot even obtain a 15 sec flat run STOCK.
DODGE RULES! ...and with a few simple bolt ons WE DOMINATE!
Car Time Speed
1987 Yugo GV 20.30 s 68.5 mph
1997 Volkswagen GTI 2.0 17.58 s 80.0 mph
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 17.20 s 80.4 mph
2001 Pontiac Sunfire SE Sedan 17.10 s 79.7 mph
2003 Lincoln Navigator 17.00 s 83.0 mph
1995 Chevrolet Camaro V6 16.80 s 81.2 mph
1986 Ford Mustang LX V6 16.80 s 79.3 mph
1997 Cadillac Catera 16.70 s 80.8 mph
2002 Jeep Liberty Limited 4x4 16.60 s 81.1 mph
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser 16.60 s 83.9 mph
2000 Ford Mustang Coupe 16.50 s 84.8 mph
1999 Pontiac Grand Am GT 16.50 s 84.3 mph
1990 Chevrolet Beretta GT 16.40 s 84.3 mph
2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 16.35 s 83.4 mph
2003 Lincoln Aviator 16.30 s 85.6 mph
2001 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 16.30 s 88.6 mph
1996 Chevrolet Camaro 3.8 V6 16.20 s 84.9 mph
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 16.10 s 85.0 mph
1986 Pontiac Fiero GT 16.03 s 88.0 mph
1999 Chrysler 300M 15.99 s 89.7 mph
2002 Ford Focus SVT 15.90 s 90.2 mph
2003 Dodge Stratus R/T 2.7 15.87 s 90.7 mph
2002 Acura RSX 15.70 s 90.5 mph
2001 Acura 3.2CL 15.70 s 89.9 mph
2002 Audi A4 3.0 CVT 15.63 s 90.9 mph
2003 Cadillac CTS 15.60 s 90.6 mph
2001 BMW 325 i 15.60 s 90.3 mph
1999 BMW 328 i 15.60 s 89.7 mph
2003 Mazda 6 s 15.50 s 92.1 mph
2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT 15.50 s 89.8 mph
2002 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 15.50 s 92.1 mph
2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 15.49 s 90.4 mph
2003 Volkswagen GTI VR6 15.48 s 91.2 mph
1996 Honda Prelude VTEC 15.43 s 91.2 mph
1993 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 Coupe 15.37 s 91.0 mph
1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 15.30 s 92.1 mph
2002 Acura RSX Type-S 15.20 s 93.6 mph
2001 Jaguar S-Type 4.0 15.20 s 94.4 mph
1999 Cadillac Seville STS 15.20 s 93.4 mph
1998 Ford Mustang GT 15.00 s 93.7 mph
1995 Eagle Talon TSI AWD 14.90 s 91.3 mph
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 14.90 s 95.4 mph
2003 Acura 3.2TL Type-S 14.88 s 96.1 mph
2004 Infiniti FX45 14.86 s 91.7 mph
2000 Porsche Boxster 14.83 s 94.9 mph
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 14.60 s 97.0 mph
1999 Plymouth Prowler 14.60 s 93.0 mph
2000 Honda S2000 14.54 s 99.9 mph
1987 Buick Regal Grand Nat GNX 14.40 s 97.7 mph
2002 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan 14.34 s 93.8 mph
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 14.27 s 101.5 mph
2003 Porsche Boxster S 14.17 s 99.5 mph
2003 Nissan 350Z Track 14.17 s 101.4 mph
2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 14.14 s 101.3 mph
2001 Porsche Boxster S 14.00 s 101.0 mph
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L88 13.97 s 103.4 mph
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 13.90 s 103.6 mph
1998 Chevrolet Camaro SS 13.90 s 105.0 mph
1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 13.90 s 99.8 mph
1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 13.80 s 103.7 mph
2001 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 13.66 s 106.1 mph
2001 BMW M5 13.40 s 106.1 mph
1999 Chevrolet Corvette LS1 13.40 s 108.3 mph
2001 BMW M3 13.38 s 105.7 mph
2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 13.10 s 109.4 mph
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 12.50 s 116.3 mph
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 12.10 s 120.1 mph
...and Yes I threw the YUGO in for fun :)
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TurboGuy
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Damn..my heavy azz 2000 Club Cab (4200lbs) ran a best of 14.6 @97 mph at Gainesville Raceway. Still had the spare and a motorcycle front in the bed too.
Mods include:
-K&N cone with homemade intake tube
-Mopar headers with 4" exhaust back to duals (no cats)
-PCM
-8mm wires
-HEAVY fiberglass tonneau cover
1/2 tank of gas, RSAs, and full interior too.
Worst time of the night was a 15.1 @94
These were on a 2.06-2.19 60fts too. I kept it in drive for the fastest pass. THe other passes I was trying to shift...not good at all...lol
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Jack
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Now those times are believable.
Bernd,
You could put Whit Bazemore in a R/T, and with no stall on the auto tranny, he wouldn't even come close to a 1.88 60' time... So don't say it's the driver.
A 2.01 and a 1.88 is a BIG difference, especially being a 5 speed vs auto. You probably dumped the clutch at 4k, whereas the auto will leave at 1200-1500, tops.
Wes has the 2400 stall and could only manage a 1.9x, and TonyC SOMEHOW managed a 1.88 with the stock TC? RIGHT...
Let me know when you are running again Wes, I'd love to see it and check your intake for any funny lines...
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