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Jason
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3/02/2003
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what is the deal with these ford and gm boys. they dont even make a truck to compare to DODGE.
the big difference is the diesel side. ford has the rattle puff AKA(powerstroke) and gm has the sludgeamax AKA(duramax) both JUNK. Hell there is even a guy where i live driving a brand new duramax that has GM'S LATEST LEMON DURAMAX and on his tailgate he has SEE ME BROKEN DOWN AT A DEALER NEAR YOU when ford or gm can make a truck as fast and dependable as the R/T hell will freeze over. so gm and ford fans stay OFF OF THIS SITE
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Steve
Dodge Dakota
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3/02/2003
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I am an r/t owner myself, but to call the Ford powerstroke crap you must have no idea.My company vehicle is a 2001 ford F250 with the powersroke and it has 245000 km or 155000 miles on it and is still Haulin ass!! and the truck goes through hell everyday,Aswell as the 99 I had got 310000km before we retired it and it was still a good truck.Drive one and put the miles I put on these beasts and tell me your story does'nt change.I love my 01 and 03 R/T to death and will never sell either but that powerstoke kicks ass.
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AL
Dodge Dakota
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3/03/2003
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And the Chevy diesel is made my Isuzu which is also a very good engine. And much quieter than ford. My boss has 2 powerstroke diesel vehicles and they are both excellent work vehicles. I cant think of a better truck for trailering. The noise really gets on my nerves though.
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litlpunisher
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3/03/2003
10:56:30
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Even worse the cummins is owned by ford/
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Hurl
Dodge Dakota
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3/03/2003
13:58:44
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Read this article of the big 3 diesels. Real world data here. I was surprised at the outcome:
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/2003shootout/page1.html
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Scott
Dodge Dakota
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3/03/2003
21:22:08
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thats an interesting website but why did they use a Dualie dodge and single wheeled chevy and ford? i own a powerstroke and i have a brother that owns a dodge both are 99 models and are fully loaded dualies. we also own the same 42 foot fifth wheel camper. i bragged on how i could out pull him but we live in wyoming and when we hit the hills his pulls and pulls and i lag behind. this surprised me since my has 2 cylinders more than the dodge and is almost 1.5 liters bigger. dont get me wrong i like my truck but his pulls better and gets 22 MPG empty i cant compete with that.
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Rob454
Dodge Dakota
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3/04/2003
12:42:27
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with ford and GM diesels. My last company had all 3 kinds of diesels and abotu 70% of the guys liked the ford truck diesels. personally when I go get my diesel its gona be in a ford truck only for the style. i dont liek GM looks and dodge looks suck also. I woudlnt mind either of the 3 motors but I like the ford look.
Dodge doesnt even make their own diesel but thats gonna change when mercedes tells them to use the mercedes diesel.
Rob
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Zach
Dodge Dakota
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3/04/2003
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Personally, I would rather be behind Cummins power, but that is just my opinion. I have heard all sorts of stories about one engine being better than the other, but im sure that most are not true. I haveread that the Cummins will not be dropped, plus they still have a few more years before their contract runs out.
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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2003
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First off. Drof(Ford) does not own Cummins. Second cummins is the only Medium duty engine. Both of the V8's are light duty. If you would like to see what the Cummins is capeable of check out Project sidewinder by Banks Engineering. It is a late model Dak with a Common Rail Cummins stuffed in it. Also if you visit the drag strips you will see many Cummins powered Rams running low 14's down to the 10's. Not bad for 6500 to 7500 pound trucks. Most of the guys run #2 only, no drugs. How many Dmaxipads or Powderpuffs can do that.
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IntenseDak39
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3/05/2003
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i'd rather be cummin then strokin
Turbocharged V6
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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2003
15:24:54
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Rob454, Sorry I didn't notice before you said Dodge doesn't make their own diesel. You are correct. But you forgot to mention neither does Ford or GM.
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Cummin power
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2003
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cummins_man your absolutely right. im with you all the way i have a 99 cummins and i love it. great gas mileage, great torque. i put a banks on mine and its amazing. what is with ford and chevy. cummins has been out for over 30 years with the straight six, which has been proven to last so ford and chevy decide. durrrrrrrr lets make a v-8 diesel. no better yet lets use a gas block and turn it into a diesel. cummins is pretty amazing since its only 5.9 and powerstrokes are 7.3 thats a big difference. i like to know the powerstroke as rattle puff because all they do once they are started is rattle and puff
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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2003
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Cummin Power, Jump over onto the TurboDiesel Register (TDR). We can show you how to get some real power out of that baby. You need to make sure you monitor your feul pressure, Lift Pumps die on these 24 valves and kill your injection pump. Oh if you have any wishes to race your Cummins powered beast, you can join the DHRA. It has five divisions accross the states. www.dhraonline.com
Side note. Both the Powderpuff and Duralax were not gas blocks before they were diesels. Also you can get power out of them just not what you can out of the cummins. The new common rail will probably level the playing field. All three are using it with the new engines. Actually I'm not sure of the 6.0 I need to read up on that.
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Snuff Dawg
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2003
14:58:31
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I used to sell all of the 3. I had to learn about all and all are good. The only one that I do not like is the Chevy and it is not because of the Engine. It is the transmission. Now that Ford has the 6.0 (Which I got to take on test runs in New Orleans) I am sure that for now Ford will be leading the pack. The 6.0 has more HP and More TQ and will get up to 28 mpg w/o load. That I know for a fact. I myself have a Dakota, But I love all trucks. I think they all have their good qualities and their bad qualities!
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02GraphiteDak
Dodge Dakota
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3/07/2003
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Everything you buy these days are foriegn made! Even OUR Dakotas! But the Cummins for being a 6 popper will kick any of the others ass!
IntenseDak39, Message:
i'd rather be cummin then strokin
I agree with him ^^^^^^
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critick
Dodge Dakota
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3/07/2003
15:52:55
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I agree with all of you comments except for the schuck that wrote the first trd. When gm or ford make something as fast and reliable as his r/t.
What a joke, HELL must be frozen dumb a$$, cause the (ford) lighting is "WAY" faster than your r/turd. And gmc has a sport model spepside that will run circles around that stuper truck of yours.
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
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Yeah. Another stupid post that no one will agree on.
I drove a '95 Powerstoke for work. It had about 100k miles on it and not a single oil leak. It weighed 10,000 lbs with all the tools and parts on it.
I drove my father-in-laws new Cummins when I moved about 6 months ago. His new Cummins (auto) is no faster than the old '95 Powerstroke that I drove.
By the way, notice on that comparison site that the Dodge truck is not shown in the auto tranny comparison? I think it's because Dodge gives you like 50 less Ft Lbs of torque when you go with the auto. Oh yeah. And they are using the smaller 6.0 Powerstoke in their comparison. So you can't go saying it's so much bigger now can you.
Anyway, both the Cummins and the Powerstoke are known to go 200k miles. But the Powerstroke is bigger and more powerful plain and simple. If Dodge strated using a V8 with more power, you wouln't be seeing any of you complaining would you?
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Fords Bl0w
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
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Blah Blah Blah Blah!!! 6 cylinder verses an 8 cylinder, come on please! whats this about the powerstroke being a 6.0? Dodge all the way, Piss on the FORDS cause they just plain out suck! As for the Heavy Cheavy their alright.
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
20:28:01
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From the FORD webpage...
All New 6.0L Power Stroke® Diesel – 560 lbs. ft. of trailer haulin’ torque.
Best in class 325 diesel horsepower.
YUP! A 6.0 Liter!
Not the LARGER THAN CUMMINS 7.3
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Demon Dakota
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3/10/2003
00:07:26
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6.0L V8 you mean :)
The '03 5.9L 24v Cummins has 305 HP @ 2900 RPM and 555 TQ @ 1900 RPM.
The 6.0L (dunno how many valves per cylinder) has 325 HP @ 3300 RPM and 560 TQ @ 2000 RPM.
They actually compare quite well together. If the Cummins had 2 more cylinders, it would stomp the crap out of the Powerstroke in HP and TQ, but I doubt that Cummins will ever make a V configured diesel when their inline works so darn well.
The Ford does not have the availability of the 6 speed manual, where as the Dodge does :) That puts the edge to the Dodge for mileage and the lovely lower granny first gear. I think Ford does have a new Allison knockoff auto, though (so does the Dodge from what I hear).
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steve
R/T
3/10/2003
00:19:51
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Ford has had a 6 speed since 99 in the F350's.I got one.
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
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You guys need to RESEARCH before assuming.
I myself have shoved my foot into my mouth by assuming.
But, Ford was the ONLY 6 SPEED MANUAL until recently. Yes, even back in '99 like steve said, they had the 6 Speed manual. When I saw one for the first time it was in a Ford F250 4X4 and it had a FACTORY 6 Speed manual. Talk about torque!
Oh, another thing. The new V8 Ford is roughly the same displacement as the Dodge Cummins 6 shooter. So saying 2 more cylinders doesn't mean squat as far as displacement! However, your 6 shooter has torque at a slightly lower RPM before the powerstroke gets into it's torque, like less than 500 RPM's lower. However, the total RPM's available in the powerstroke is almost twice that of the cummins.
Go look at the torque and HP curves. And like I said, I just drove a 2002 Cummins and it has a lower red line than my '95 powerstroke had that I used to drive. The new powerstroke (only 6.0 liters) has even more top end.
The powerstroke has two more cylinders, but smaller ones giving the same total displacement, 5.9 vs. 6.0. It looks like 6 isn't always better than 8 on a diesel.
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
22:50:58
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By the way, Dodge ONLY gives you the 555 Ft Lbs if you buy a manual, where Ford gives you ALL OF THE POWER no matter if you buy the auto or manual.
But I'm still laughing at your comment about Ford not having a 6 speed available when they have had one since '98 or '99 or so with their powerstroke LOL!!!!! I don't hate DOdges, I like Dodge. But it's too fun to argue especially when you think you're right! :-p
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oO_Rogue_Oo
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
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I worked for U-Haul as a fleet machanic a few years back and i can tell you that the cummins out lasted the Fords in those conditions by a long shot. The Fords ate injector pumps like they were going out of style especially if you didn't give it new air & fuel filters every 10k miles. I replaced more of the Ford motors between 70 and 120k miles than i care to remember. The cummins just seemed to take the punisment and keep on ticking.
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brianman
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
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very neat test, pretty interesting i thought. that ford hauled some ass. not enough to ever convince me to go to the dark side though. one test i would like to see is an all out tug of war, in four low truck on truck. aswell to see them in some sort or tractor pull. just food for thought.
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bakindak
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
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well my mom being a big trucking person has dealt with all three engines and in her opinion the new duramax from chev is better than the other two by a long shot, it might not have quite the same numbers as the other two but one thing is for sure, the d-max out hauled and out ran the p-stroke and the cummins ass fully loaded, damn near at max capacity on her dually (15,000 lbs if i remember correctly). just a little thought
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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
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You people all need to do research. bakindak, if your mom knew anything about diesels she would know inline anything will low end out torque anything V. Also Dodge will up the power if they feel they need to. Look at the project Sidewinder. Banks recieved this from Cummins with over 400 HP. Why don't you look and see what is winning at the truck pulls, drag racing and dyno events. Also someone mentioned tug o wars. Don't do it. The truck with the better tires/weight will win. That has nothing to do with power. One last note. You can get the HO with an auto now. But I would still send it to an afdtermarket shop to be built up.
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bakindak
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
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Well not to say you arent right or wrong cummins man, but my moms sierra dually out did a cummins dually (friend of hers) and they both use the same trailer and all. my mom came out of the light faster than her friend with the dodge did (yes they were racing) and kept the lead till the next light, so I am just telling you what I saw with my own eyes
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02GraphiteDak
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
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At a local race track they had a truck pull and Dodge out did all the others. Dodge all the way.
Always will be a subject!!
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Cummins Man
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3/12/2003
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bakindak, Try a Long steep grade, That 235/460 inline will out pull that 300 ish 520 V.
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Timberwolf
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3/12/2003
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I heard that in 2005 the contract with Cummins is up and Dodge will probably switch to Detroit Deisel because they are part owners in the company and Ford owns a chunk of Cummins.
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