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Richard Knerr
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1/11/2003
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I have a 2001 dakota r/t, I just put in the r/t 2 cam, m1 intake & edelbrock headers, has anybody out there tried one of these cams? if so, what kind of rpms are you seeing?
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Big dak
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1/12/2003
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Look on the box it will should tell you the r.p.m range.
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Brett A
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--Richard--
What is the website where you got the edelbrock headers for your r/t. also what is the part # I have been looking for those forever.
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Carter
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1/12/2003
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I have that cam and Doug thorley headers on my 95, I don't have the M1 intake but with my 318 i can pull extremely hard from around 2500-5400, but it will still go the the performance computers rev limiter in my first 3 gears.
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Timid
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1/13/2003
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R/T 2 Cam? PN P5007551? 208 216 @.050? This one?
I had that cam for a couple months, I ran it with M1 2BBL, 1.7RRs, Ported Heads, and MP Converter (2250-2350). I have an 01 R/T and with that cam and rockers it would pull hard from 2500 to rev-limiter (5200), would smack the limiter and bog in the next gear. Problem is 01 and 02s don't have a pcm upgrade other than HPP and that only raises limiter 500rpm.
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rtdkota
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1/14/2003
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If anyone is interested, here's a dyno pull of mine (I have since gotten 7 more HP w/new plugs/wires & recalibrated PCM)
http://www.socaldakota.com/VIDEOS/Dyno_01.jpg
Sam
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TiredofSam
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1/14/2003
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Who cares...
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rtdkota
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1/14/2003
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Dude-- what's you problem? I'm not pushing nothing, so don't be an ass. If you have a beef, why not use your real name, and let's talk about it. As far as Advertising-- if that's your beef.. well, i am working on that-- I think I spend more time on the phone talking with people re: ideas, product, and solutions than you'd be even able to comprehend. Hiding behind an anonymous name is childish.. Grow up---
I would like to see how this RT-2 cam works out--
Richard Knerr, do you have a dyno pull on it yet?? Would be good to see how it compares to others (especially 318s)--
Sam
(and I used my real name)
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TiredofSam
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1/14/2003
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"I think I spend more time on the phone talking with people re: ideas, product, and solutions than you'd be even able to comprehend."
OH, really... I think you spend more time kissing ass, and trying to sell the same few product as cheap as possible so that people will like you and respect you... sorry, you're just a salesman to me!!!
I don't see you coming up with any of your own products!!!
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Tom Slick
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1/14/2003
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Just a personal observation, but...
Just what products have you designed for our Dodges, Sam? What are some of your major contributions to the Dodge "cause"?
Bernd came up with the iat adjuster, and a few other products...
I designed a complete bolt-on twin-turbocharger setup for our Dakotas...
What exactly is your automotive background? How much experience do you have?
I've worked in the automotive manufacturing industry for more than a few years, not to mention that I've been racing since I was 16...(cut my teeth on a 71 Chevelle!)
I've tried to be nice, and stay out of all of this, but I have to agree with "Tired"...
You didn't even have the guts to race at Houston...and don't whine about your PT Cruiser rental car. because we were bracket racing, and consistency is the key to winning, not the vehicle...
Salesman!!!
Later!
P.S. - My apologies to those who don't wish to see this on the site, but enough is enough!!!
Tom Slick
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Richard knerr
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1/14/2003
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I did put my truck on the dyno, before I did the work, it pulled 215 rear wheel horse, after the cam install, headers, and mp1 it made 233 horse, but lost a bunch of torque, I'm sure the number would be a lot higher if my computer was flashed. The cam makes the truck sound like it has some beef, and the truck pulls great through the first 2 gears, but when it shifts into drive it bogs, and it won't pull in overdrive.
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bernd
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1/14/2003
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Richard,
What throttle body, intake system, and exhaust modifications are you running with that combination? (M1, R/T "+10" Cam, Edelbrock Headers)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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Jonas
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1/14/2003
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HUH? TiredofSam, I dont usually jump in on stuff like this, but WHERE do you get off posting anamously and going after people, for what looks like no reason at all? If you have something personal against Sam thats a different story, but from the looks of it he just posted a video, in response to a question. If you want to pretend that you are such an innovator, then give us some examples of your work, and stop hiding behind your silly posting names.
Not everyone has to make new products? What does that have to do with anything? So little of the aftermarket is new items, and most of it is just sales.. without salesmen, your "innovative products" would never get sold. Aside from that, I dont see what Sam was trying to SELL anything by his post.
Tom, I think you and I have always had a friendly relationship, but you also seem quite off key, jumping in and just grilling him for posting a video? Acuse him of being a salesman, then plug the IAT adjuster (although I highly recommend getting one to everyone), and then plugging your turbo kits??? The post asked for RPM's and info with a certain cam.. Sam posted usuable data on the subject, you seem to have posted a resume and highly hint that you are tied in with the TIREDOFSAM guy.
What am I missing on this whole thing?
Jonas
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rtdkota
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1/14/2003
22:36:50
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"Just a personal observation, but...
Just what products have you designed for our Dodges, Sam? What are some of your major contributions to the Dodge "cause"? "
Tom-- Does it have to come this? I thought things were civil when I paid you and Bernd a visit back in Sept.
"Bernd came up with the iat adjuster, and a few other products...
I designed a complete bolt-on twin-turbocharger setup for our Dakotas... "
The IAT adjuster was an idea from someone else that Bernd then made into a kit (nothing wrong with that). The twin-turbocharger for the RT-- looked good on paper, the potential was there-- but still doesn't work correctly. Again, Bravo for the attempt.
"What exactly is your automotive background? How much experience do you have?
I've worked in the automotive manufacturing industry for more than a few years, not to mention that I've been racing since I was 16...(cut my teeth on a 71 Chevelle!)"
Background-- Hmm, let's see... raced motorcycles for 4 years before I broke my back in 97 in off road motorcycle accident. Have been actively drag racing since '95 (I won first place 12.99 and slower street Mopar Southwest Shootout in Tucson, AZ. 2001-- 2nd in the gambler, and first to a .500 light)-- 2002 Truckin Nationals-- first placed 12.99 and quicker street-- 2002 RT Dakota Nationals-- First place auto-x), I have owned 6 Dakotas since 92, all V8s, 3 RTs, 1 4x4, 1 premagnum (what a dog that thing was). I've been dealing with Crower on a personal level since High School. Worked with Tom from Mike Leach to prototype the headers for the 2000 RT (held up pipe as he welded them, the whole thing), Worked with JBA to get a vehicle to prototype THEIR header downpipes on a 2000 Dakota. Seems I built most of the F&B TBs you and your companion sold at Speedtweaks. My truck is the official test vehicle for F&B Throttle Bodies-- more dyno pulls, personal drive tests than I want to even start to count. I assisted with the test phase on the 4.0L Jeep TBs (before during and after you and bernd had them). Assisted with the redesign of the GTS-II hood with Premier-Automotive (a rework of the flawed original GTS). Did active pressure testing- standard, and high speed for the original GTS hood fresh air box with F&B.
"I've tried to be nice, and stay out of all of this, but I have to agree with "Tired"...
You didn't even have the guts to race at Houston...and don't whine about your PT Cruiser rental car. because we were bracket racing, and consistency is the key to winning, not the vehicle...
Salesman!!!
Later!"
OH BOY-- you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. Shall we get Gene River's on the phone, and you can ask him about what transpired before the (dakota club) bracket racing?? For those of you who don't know-- Gene Rivers is the RTML rep for Texas, and basically the MC for the Houston Mopar show in October. Gene approached me to race the event near the end of the day on Sunday-- I hadn't paid to race, only spectate-- so, I couldn't race.
P.S. - My apologies to those who don't wish to see this on the site, but enough is enough!!!
Tom Slick
turbokits@speedtweaks.net"
Tom-- the lights are fading buddy...
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rtdkota
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1/14/2003
22:42:07
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Richard-- sorry about the mud that some people have slung here... Back to the topic..
Do you have the before and after dyno sheets printed out? It would be interesting to see them a top one another-- might shed some light on your situation. I would have expected more of an increase for that cam (as you probably expected as well). Did you get an A/F with the dyno runs (too rich, too lean)???
Stock heads with this, right?
Sam
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chansen49
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1/14/2003
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Man,
Sam has been one of the nicest people to deal with ever. Business or personal. I met sam a long time ago at one of the mopar shows here in town. He is the first person I ever talked to about r/t's. He has done soo much for anyone and everyone and I bet you could not find a person with a bad story about sam. BUT, you on the other hand are partners with someone who has ripped people off left and right on different forums and you try to play yourself up like the good guy?
youre not foolin anyone around here. The twin turbo thing, sheesh, I wouldnt be so quick to admit YOU designed it. The thing had to be redesigned to even work properly. And It still doesnt work!
I dont think I should say anymore.
chris
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HSKR
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"Bernd came up with the iat adjuster, and a few other products..."
Where the he11 do you get your info Tom?? I know who "came up with" the IAT adjuster idea and it sure as he11 wasn't Benrd. Bernd merely built it to this persons design. Maybe a few of the "revisions" were Bernd's design, but the initial adjuster wasn't. And as mentioned before, your "bolt on" twin turno kit has yet to run properly without blowing something. So I sure as hell wouldn't be bragging about that. Nice try, but you lose this time. Try taking your flames somewhere else, and if you have a personal problem with Sam, maybe you should work it out with him, and not on a public forum.
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graphiteRT
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1/14/2003
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Tom, are you really still crowing about the TT deal???.....ROFL!
5-6 mos for the hardware install, 3 times the heads have beeen taken off for head gaskets and to this day it still doesn't run right and the customer got so fed up he yanked the truck from under you guys!! Yeah, good one to brag about. So which part of that are you putting on the resume?
You guys made a bunch of rookie mistakes on that project in spite of multiple people telling you that you were going about it wrong. You charged right in there with that, "screw you, we know what we're doing" and to this day still have that attitude.
How's that working out for ya?
Don't even get me started on $35 potentiometers.....Dude, if that's the sum total of your contribution to the Dakota world, you can have it.
Bob
'01 Graphite CC R/T, MP headers, Magnaflow muffler into 'Cuda style exhaust, M1 2bbl, ported 2.02 R/T heads, custom grind cam, Crower SS rockers, Paxton Novi2000, Boyd's 20s w/Dunlop SP9000s
Soon: Viper 4 wheel discs
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Tom Slick
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1/15/2003
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Actually, the twin-turbo was working out just fine, until the owner decided to finish the tuning process himself... Apparently you don't know the entire story...
chansen49 - The twin turbo system didn't have to be redesigned at all... I came up with another design to help bring the cost down so more people could afford it...
Jonas - how could I be plugging the IAT adjuster? IT's been a freebie for a few months now... I don't know "Tired", but I'd like to meet him...
Sam - you have not been all that "civil"...
I don't normally take sides or start trouble, but I have had enough... "than you'd be even able to comprehend. Hiding behind an anonymous name is childish.. Grow up---" I guess that goes both ways...You, without knowing the other person accusing them of not being able to comprehend... then you tell them to grow up... hmmm...goes both ways...
Yes, I'm being childish about this, too!!! Too many people making statements, in which there isn't enough evidence to support it either way!!! Why? Because few people know all of the details!!!
Too many people on this website would rather gripe and put others down than help bring about good things for thier vehicles... I'm just joining the crowd!!!!
I hope by this crazy example that I've mad a few people think about just how destructive this behavior can be...
That's the whole point...
Later!
Tom Slick
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dakrt23
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1/15/2003
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well, Bob and chris pretty much voiced everything i was going to say... the twin turbo was a joke and the IAT adjusted might as well be one too... but on the topic of sam himself... id agree strongly with chris that he is one of the nicest people i have met and has helped me get my truck where it is today... i dont know where TIRED and TOM think they can get off with this crap but sammy is a good guy and i think TIREDOFSAM hiding behind a screen name like a pussy pretty much sums up everything we need to know about THAT whole crowd...
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Tom Slick
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1/15/2003
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Bob, are you still mad at me? :-)
Tom Slick
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rtdkota
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1/15/2003
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"I don't normally take sides or start trouble, but I have had enough... "than you'd be even able to comprehend. Hiding behind an anonymous name is childish.. Grow up---" I guess that goes both ways...You, without knowing the other person accusing them of not being able to comprehend... then you tell them to grow up... hmmm...goes both ways..."
HUH?? Posted a dyno sheet for people to check out-- as in compare to what they got-- seems Richard was asking about other people's experiences from the way I read... Dude get a clue.
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kota on 20s
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1/15/2003
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Tom, What exactly is YOUR automotive background? How much experience do YOU have?
it seems that you might want to take a few more classes at WYOTECH. they have a forced induction class that will teach you how to PROPERLY build a turbo setup. ;-)
other than a gasket eating monster, what have YOU contributed to the dodge "cause"?
seriously dude, WTF are you doing?? its a well known fact that speedtweaks is not in good shape, and all you are doing is kicking youself when you are down.
instead of insulting people, you should be trying to make or keep as many potental buyers as you possibly can. they way you are going, no one is going to want to do business with you
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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graphiteRT
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1/15/2003
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Tom, I couldn't possibly be mad at you. Your well publicized projects/failures, while insisting you have all the expertise in the world is pure comedy!
Put down the wrenches and step away from the toolbox so nobody else gets hurt.....
Bob
'01 Graphite CC R/T, MP headers, Magnaflow muffler into 'Cuda style exhaust, M1 2bbl, ported 2.02 R/T heads, custom grind cam, Crower SS rockers, Paxton Novi2000, Boyd's 20s w/Dunlop SP9000s
Soon: Viper 4 wheel discs
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Tom Slick
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1/15/2003
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That is a matter of opinion... :-)
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Richard knerr
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1/15/2003
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Boy, my first time on this website, I ask a simple question and I get a bunch of crap. Bernd= I have the stock throttle body, K&N cold air intake(which is for sale), and all 3 cats. Rtdkota= I do have all the dyno sheets, I can e-mail them to you if you're interested, I didn't get the A/F ratio, after the next mods & dyno pull I will get the A/F ratio. I did expect more out of the combo, but before I did the work, my truck was pretty slow, couldn't even beat a stock 99r/t, I think alot of it is in the computer. Now the truck runs great thru 1&2nd.
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bernd
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1/15/2003
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Richard,
Can you email them to me as well? I'm curious to see what the curve looks like. PCM may have something to do with it...but i'm thinking there's still some tuning issues that haven't been addressed.
(1) When the cam was installed, what position was the distributor drive gear at? (This makes a BIG difference in the performance of the vehicle)
(2) When the distributor was reinstalled...what was the fuel sync set at?
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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QwikKota
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1/15/2003
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About that IAT Adjuster...
I purchased one during the summer from R/Truck at the track, during the Mopar show. I decided to install it at the track. "Oh, look! There's Bernd right across the way. I'll just ask him how to install it" I approach Bernd, introduce myself and ask him which wires to tap off of the IAT Sensor. To my amazment, he says, "I'm not sure, ask Tom" Yeah, really sounds like there was a whole lot of development on Bernd's part.
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bernd
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1/15/2003
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Huh?
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BKBridges
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1/15/2003
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This does not appear to be a very productive discussion. Tom, you should chill. Yes, Sam works with me and has since 1998.
Back to the Cam. Richard, does the cam have an EO number or a CARB number (ie street legal in California?) I dont have the low down on it here at the shop...
Bruce
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richard knerr
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I don't think it's street legal in cali, all I have is a part#, p5007551
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