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Robbie
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12/11/2002
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Ok, seems like I have some of the basic mod's that everyone has and I was just wondering what I should concentrate on doing next. I'm looking for mod's that will keep me infront of the mustangs but nothing that will subtract from the life of the engine.
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R.
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M1 Intake Manifold, X/L Turtle, B&G M1 Flash, 360 Air Intake, 180 Degree Thermo, 3923's, Magnaflow Muffler.
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HSKR
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12/11/2002
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Ported TB and a small shot of nitrous. Should be able to handle a 100 shot of nitrous on the stock engine with no timing retard needed. Headers woudl help as well. If you run the nitrous, just use two steps colder plugs, Autolite 3922.
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big_torque
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12/11/2002
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There ya go. What HSKR said. Its the cheapest HP / $ mod you can do. Or you can spend 3000+ on a supercharger.
Do your homework before slappin down hard earned cash.
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Josh
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12/11/2002
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how mcuh would porting the TB cost or is it better to buy a new one and if a new one what size and what size would it be ported to?
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Fenris
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12/11/2002
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When I get some money, I am gonna order a 408ci Stroker from KRCperformance and mod the hell out of it.:)
There's a killer mod!
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MikeD
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12/11/2002
15:29:43
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Doesn't nitrous and a blower subtract from the life of the engine faster than naturally aspirated mods?
~Mike~
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Anthony G
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12/11/2002
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Blown Head gaskets, thrown rods, burnt fuel pumps, melted pistons, blown out spark plugs could be some of subtraction from the life of the engine if not tuned right :)
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Robbie
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12/11/2002
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Ok, so I have plans in the future for the trottle body... I'm going to order one from Dan Arcand. But I dont think that I want to get into nitrous. I've heard it isnt that great for the engine. All of the mod's Ive done so far have given me better performance along w/ better gas milage and Id like it keep it along the same level. What do you think about roller rockers or something like that? Or have I reached somewhat of a plateu?
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Lesley
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12/11/2002
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HSKR - have you upgraded your cam?
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D stainless air intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360
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Anthony G
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12/11/2002
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Rockers will help, before my cam I had switched them in and out a few times. They do make power you can feel. Mostly due to valve lift more than less resistance. I would suggest the non-adjustable rockers. Torque and forget :) No adjusting valve lash.
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Daker777
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12/11/2002
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Nitrous is no worse then a supercharger as long as you get it put in by a person who isnt a moron.
Dont get a dry kit, and only get it from someone who has done alot of them. As long as it doesnt use only the stock injectors you will be fine with a 100shot. Best way to go because you can turn it off and on. 1.7 rrs would be a good as well. I am no nitrous expert but a friend of mine is and im going with what he has told me about it, as in no wories if you get a good kit.
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big_torque
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12/11/2002
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How many people use NO2 on the street ? I kinda think NO2 is mostly for the track. But I guess if you have a remote bottle opener it would be good for those times you see a Mustang sneakin up behind you in your rearview mirror as your coming up to a red light.
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nitroussteve
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12/12/2002
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i just had to get in on this one.i have had the nitrous express kit on my 4.7 for 3 monthes now.it is an awesome bang for the $.the truck runs as strong as my supercharged mustang(4.6)
basically the same type of engine.
do not have alot of track time on the truck,on the street its a killer.most people are not even aware of the v8,much less the nitrous.
like the others have said,use a wet system ,stay under 100hp shot,have it installed correctly,
and always check the system over periodically.
the kit was a snap to install.had to fab up a
throttle act switch bracket,other than that it is mostly wiring.i was always gunshy of nitrous before,but they have done there homework over the years,and its less scary now.
nitroussteve
watch out ya gonna get sprayed!(nx)
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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Nitrous is always the way to go. I have used a wet system and a hidden dry system on my truck and been through a bunch of diff setups. Both systems were 100 shots. Best gain and safest is going to be your wet systems. On r/t's you can run 100 wet all day long just bolt it up and go.
R/T trucks run way way to big of an injector for that motor though so that helps out. But i have also run a 100 dry shot on my old eclipse, with no fuel mods. Know your car and you will be safe.
If your truck runs a little rich cool, hook the system up and go. If your car runs lean then beef up the fuel side of the wet kit.
Here is the main thing with nitrous. START SMALL! Let your truck tell you if it likes it. If you put in a 100 shot right off the bat your engine doesn’t have time to warm up to that kind of load right off, and you don’t know how your truck will like it. Start with the smallest shot size in the kit and work up. If you hear any detonation back off it. But a little bigger fuel pill in and go again. If the truck runs good then stick with it, if not jump down to the next smaller shot.
Do not hot lap the truck at the track or run the nitrous for over 15 seconds also. And always run colder plugs and gap them at 38 or 40. If you do the safety precautions and listen to your truck and know your truck you are fine. Also octane booster does wonders as well as 104 octane unleaded for upping the shot and running at the track.
Also make sure you aim the nozzle were it wont hit anything in at least 6 inches from the throttle body or the fuel will separate from the nitrous and it will puddle in your intake manifold or the air hat.
Nitrous is very good! I have been using it for years no problems have came out of it. As long as you respect it. I also sell it and have installed it on numerous cars. Hehe also have a nitrous bottle tattoo plumbed into my skin that covers my whole forearm. So yes i love the stuff.
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Robbie
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12/12/2002
11:42:47
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Rad, thanks for all the info guys!
About that tattoo PyschoRT... any pictures of it? I have a few myself and am pretty into them... I need to find cheaper hobbies.
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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Sure here is the custom piece Clint Cummings did from Love-n-hate tattoo in lewisville.
http://www.txstreetracing.org/photo-album/albums/psycho/tattoo.JPG
Its much better and brighter in person.
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MikeD
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12/12/2002
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Lewisville? PsychoRT U in the dfw area? I'm in Dallas. Know any spots the R/T's hangout or meet?
~Mike~
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psychoRT
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I live in valley ranch/los colinas actually. As far as r/t's meeting up. Dont know of any spots. I havent heard of any real meets around here. Only People i know with R/T's is a budy of mine's red ext. cab, his name is Toby and another one His name is Eric. I meet a guy a while back that stopped me over off 121 and 183 in a blue R/T but forgot his name.
My truck is 1998 Black Reg cab with black hard shell tonneu cover. Brake lights say Psycho on one and R/T logo on the other.
My truck right now is in the build process, its all torn apart hehe.
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MikeD
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12/12/2002
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Cool...maybe we can form a DFW R/T club and pick a spot to meet...that'd be kinda cool. Camaro and stang guys do it seen alot of them at restaraunts and such.
BTW...what'r you doing to your truck?
~Mike~
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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I have been through so many different disscisons. First was going to put a 440 in it, but it got sold before i got to it. Then was going old school and was going to carb the motor. Dont like that idea because the truck would have to totally redone because of the tranny and i want to keep my power brakes and steering. Thus causeing a need for vacuum. Now im at another point. Keep it injected but juice the hell out of it. And Work more on suspension and lighting it with major tuning. The truck has been gutted for a while now. I picked up 2 tenths just from that.
I have done a lot of research and found out some reasons our truck run like dog crap. So im wanting to go my own route instead of buying the mod of the week and see what i can do. I know nitrous very well and what i can do with it. So im gonna go that route and keep it injected.
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MikeD
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12/12/2002
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I think one of the main reasons our trucks run like a pig is DC takes out so much timing.
What sux is our trucks don't run well under much boost so we gotta beef up head bolts and all that.
You can do alot of mods to the fuel system to make it run just as good as a carb...like on mine I added a high flow fuel pump and 24# injectors w/ these bigass heads I got on it and I have as much HP as a MP Crate carb engine.
I've thought about doing nitrous but I have this pop on occasion when I feather the gas, and my buddy has nitrous on his R/T and when his pops it makes flames and flames don't go good under the hood! One reason I haven't added NO2.
~Mike~
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Lesley
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12/12/2002
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Flames? Jeeezus!
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, ceramic JBAs.
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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Im going to let ya in on a secret!
The reason it does that is your running to rich.
The reason the dakotas are pigs are because they dump useless fuel in the system. And retard on the timing at normally cruiseing causes the issue to be worse. When you are feathering the gas you are telling your system to dump fuel then going moderate then hammering. Think of it as you are driving an old car.
Has anyone ever looked up the model numbers on the injectors hehe! This will make you kick your self in the a$$. The injectors are actually 23.3 lbs. So you spent 250 bucks on something you basically already had, and in essence dont need. With the hp our truck produces stock you only need 17 psi to oush those injectors at were they need to be. We are pushing around 45psi that is enough fuel for around 600 hp or more. Something most of us dont or will never see. At 45 psi last time i calculated on a stock hp truck all you needed was a 17 lb so technically a 19lb injector would do nicley for most applications.
Fuel is puddling in your system thus back firing thru the system. Also why our truck love nitrous i was running a 100 dry shot on mine and it still ran rich.
Also the mopar computer is a pain in the a$$ and ups the timming 20 degrees and above when shifting.
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psychoRT
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Also running it real rich cause's mpg to go down the drain. Which we all have issues with. And Cats blowing out. Yup you guessed it, running to rich. And Why a truck of this caliber is at 250hp, yup running that rich kills hp.
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Lesley
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12/12/2002
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I figured that out about the cats, but never blamed the
injectors. I thought it was the 02 sensor which tested
out fine. I have the FMS 19lb injectors now, which I
really like. I just bought an M1 & 52mm billet TB, and I
want to get a nice lopey cam. I think you guys can
keep the nitrous, I don't think I like the idea of flames
shooting out of my dak. It was bad enough when it
kept blowing out cats with its rotten SBDs.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, ceramic JBAs.
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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Hehe his buddy dosent have his nitrous tunned right. Mine never did that. Thorw a air/fuel gauge on it and see where its at. And tune from there.
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MikeD
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12/12/2002
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I was actually running really lean w/ my 2.02 heads not rich...I was running at 15 A/F ratio when I needed to be at about 13.1, yes I know about the true 23.3 of the injectors but I know the stockers don't flow that much...our stockers had 1 pin hole and the cobras had 4 pinholes, so I know they spray alot more fuel than stock. Even w/ the stock injectors the pump still wasn't feeding the engine all the fuel it needed, and yeah our fuel regulator can feed up to 600hp not the fuel pump, the regulator is what sends out 45psi the reason we never see 45psi is the stock fuel pump isn't capable of flowing that much, thats why I got the high flow pump. We'll see if that helps after I dyno it again.
~Mike~
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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Yup those heads are some air hungry sum of a b*tchs. I forgot you had said you have the 2.02's. I have thought about those heads but was told they are a little much for any type of street use or drag racing. Unless you were going all out. Im still debating.
I have seen fully built motors with a dry shot run those stock injectors. The ford can flow a little better but is the cost for new ones really needed.
But in stock form or jsut bolt on setup trucks those injectors and the way the fuel system is setup is way to much fuel for these trucks.
Running high compression and heads and needing the fuel for the amount of air flow you will be pushing does warrant a 24 lb injector at 45 psi.
My plans as it sits are to build a fully adjustable fuel system and build my own fuel rails using the stock injectors. I want to play around with the fuel system and computer to see what is best for performance. I know my 98 was running way rich even after the nitrous and bolt on's, also blew out my cat.
Keep me informed what your dyno says about those 2.02 heads.
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MikeD
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12/12/2002
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I think you should go all out and get them, despite many telling me not to, I did anyways and I dont' regret it abit, I've dynoed more than all my buddies, all of them haven't even crossed the 300rwhp mark, so I'm glad I got them. Guess I did what many people didn't want to or were afraid to do. Yeah sure I had to add countless mods to reach its full potential (ignition, fuel mods, & cam) but its well worth the grin when you can spank a Camaro SS or a Rustang and see the look on their face when U stomped a mudhole and they get pissed when they don't find a supercharger or nitrous on it.
~Mike~
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psychoRT
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12/12/2002
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This is very true. I have smoked my fair share of ss's and stangs. But with nitrous of coarse.
Im a person like that i do what everone dosnt want to do or say not to do. The truck is going to go full out. I have pluged some numbers and what i wanted to do was 2.02 stock ported heads. Then i have talked to people and they said stick with the 1.97's if i recall corectly. But that was also the r/t heads that flow more out the box. For what i want is going to be about 400 on motor and a good 200 shot of nitrous on top of it. Im tearing down the motor now getting it ready to go to the machine shop next month. I still have a lot of numbers to plug to see just which way i need to go.
Every dakota is different in the mods its likes and doesnt like. They have pulled 50 hp just in balancing and blueprinting our motors. Thus the reason some trucks are freaks some are not. Mopar does a real sh*ty jpb at building our motors. I want to get everything port matched and so forth.
More then likley im going to go with stock ported 2.02's. Unless i find a good deal on some R/T's or a diff set of heads i can experiment with. Im going to need a lot of flow but dont want to bog that motor down. Trying to keep as much velocity as i can.
Here is a little vid of my truck! If anyone recognizes it. Im up against a T/A with drag radials.
http://www.txsr.org/videos/nightout.wmv
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Robbie
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12/12/2002
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Psycho: That's a rad looking tattoo man! Here's a link to some of mine. The horrible ones and the better ones...
http://www.punkrockdad.com/tattoos
Sorry to be off topic...
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