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Troy
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11/06/2002
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I finally got my Hypertech Power Programmer III installed this morning. I've had it since last week, but had 87 octane in the tank, and the truck was in the body shop until Friday. I had one small problem, but the tech at Hypertech fixed it over the phone (toll-free). I programmed it for the normal Hypertech tuning, raised the speed limiter to 125 mph, set for 93 octane, raised the rev limiter 500 rpm, and corrected the tire size. The truck runs/ idles as smooth as before, but seems to have more power. The engine really sings when you get on it. It is pouring the rain, so I can't give a real good evaluation, due to massive, sideways wheelspin. I am overall pleased to this point. I will let you know more when it dries out. I had the MP PCM, and feel this is equivalent or better in just this short period of time. I will run it 0-60 and 1/4 mile when it dries, and let you know the results.
2000 QC Sport Plus 4x4 5.9L 3.92LS (9.25 axle), every factory option
Magnaflow 3" single in/ 2-1/2" dual out
Kenne Bell equal-length headers with 2-1/2" y-pipe
NGK ZFR6F-11 plugs, indexed
Kenne Bell (Taylor) wires
Borg-Warner brass cap/ rotor
180 stat
Redline Water Wetter and Pro-Blend 40 below radiator additive
S-bolt
Homemade 4" cold-air induction
Baffle removed from air hat
paper air filter (sold K&N, awaiting airbox install)
Mobil 1 in engine, both axles, and transfer case
Map sensor mod
TPS set at .736
clutch fan removed (electric fan on thermal switch)
M1 two-barrel non-EGR intake manifold (new casting) w/ large turtle (awaiting extra-large turtle)
APS 50mm throttle body
Hypertech Power Programmer III
Transgo shift kit and Amsoil (not yet installed)
On it's way:
GTS functional Ram-Air hood (hood installed, waiting on airbox)
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Troy
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
17:54:33
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Anybody else have any Hypertech comments/ results yet?
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graphiteRT
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11/06/2002
22:39:45
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You had the MP PCM and you feel this is better??? Sure you didn't have a junk MP PCM?
The PPIII only mods the WOT tables, whereas the MP does considerably more. The increased shift points of the MP alone make it the better choice. Granted, if you have a '01 or later your options are limited, but there's no way this thing can offer better performance all around.
Bob
'01 Graphite CC R/T, MP headers, Magnaflow muffler into 'Cuda style exhaust, M1 2bbl, ported 2.02 R/T heads, custom grind cam, Crower SS rockers, Paxton Novi2000, Boyd's 20s w/Dunlop SP9000s
Soon: Viper 4 wheel discs
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360R/T
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2002
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Thanks for the info Troy. Can't wait to hear the actual #'s you get off the PPIII. Keep us updated!
Joey
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Troy
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2002
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graphiteRT,
The Hypertech feels much stronger than the Mopar Performance unit. It may not seem possible, but it does. The Mopar unit I had was not junk. I bought it brand new, and used it for about 3 months. It did work better over the stock pcm, but the hypertech feels better than both of them. The one benefit to the Mopar unit was the 5,400 rpm shift points, since I have the M1. I plan on raising my shift points when I install the Transgo kit, so I would much rather have the hypertech. I guess everyone has there own opinion, but I really like the hypertech so far. By the way, nice truck.
360R/T,
I will keep you posted.
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Nitro Junkie
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11/07/2002
09:42:42
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i gotta agree with you troy, i would rather have my shift points controlled mechanically with a shift rather than electronicaly
2000 R/T
Belltech 2"-3" Drop w/ Nitro Drop Shocks
40 Series Flowmaster Dumped Exhaust
8mm Taylor Spiro Pro wires w/ Autolite 3923's
Mopar Performance Distributor, 180 T-Stat
Turbo City Dual Tube Air Intake w/ Twin 5" Round K&N Filters
Speed Scene Grill (Upper&Lower)
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ME 111
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11/07/2002
10:13:48
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Got mine today and attempted an install. Got a "Calibration Not Found " error with a Hypertech number to call. Had to read off the stock puter's numbers to them and send it back for the correct program. Should get it back within a week or so to try yet again.
Flame Red '99 R/T CC
52mm TB - HomeBrewed K&N Intake - 3923 AutoLites - Un-Relocated IAT - TPS @.73 - 180 TStat
Falken 285/60/R17s on Rear - RoadMaster Active Suspension - SS rollpan - XTang soft Tonneau - Mopar Bra
And one Heavy Foot
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Troy
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11/07/2002
10:35:09
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I have heard of a few people getting that problem, but thankfully I didn't. I had an error 62 come up with an 800#, and the tech fixed it immediately. It just required pausing between two modes, instead of going one right after another. As far as performance gains: I shaved .6 in the quarter with the programmer. I ran it this morning, in stock and Hypertech mode, with identical weather conditions. I am impressed. I only gained like .3-.4 with the Mopar unit.
Nitro Junkie,
I have talked to you on here a few times before and was wondering how do you like the Turbo City intake. Also, what benefits/ downfalls did you get with the Mopar distributor install. This is the distributor itself, not just a cap, correct? Pretty cool truck man: I like white (mine is white) and graphite better than any of them.
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Troy
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11/07/2002
10:51:07
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By the way, this is with a full tank of gas. Times may improve with less gas (lighter weight). Truck weighs 5,300# as is. Not easy making this thing go fast. Tires are also at 26/25 psi due to crappy wear. Doesn't really affect traction on my application, but does increase rolling resistance, which may make times slightly slower. Don't know for sure.
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dac_beth
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11/07/2002
13:32:15
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Did your shift points increase at all since you upped the rev limiter??? or did you not check the rpms at which it shifted without and with the increased revs??
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Dallasrt
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11/07/2002
13:45:31
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I too would like to know if your shift points went up at all when you raised the rev limiter? There was a guy on another board that said his shift points moved up about 400 rpms when he moved the rev limiter and installed the 93 octane program. Thanks!
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Troy
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11/07/2002
13:57:54
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No, the automatic shift points did not change. I read that post, too. He had a Ram, and said that by moving the rev limiter, his shift points changed. Mine didn't. You can manual shift at the desired rpm, however.
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HSKR
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11/07/2002
14:31:59
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The shift points will not go up just because you raise a rev limiter. Reading his post to literally. It was the overall effect of the theprogram that increased the shift points, not the rev limiter. It's probably not so much that his shift points changed, but the engine revs quicker so it seems like the shift points changed. Also with increased hp the shift points might change. It was not from raising the rev limiter as you all seem to beleive.
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dac_beth
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11/07/2002
15:04:18
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Understand what you are saying HSKR, it looks like even though the Ram's shift points went up because of the overall programming, we do not have that effect on Troy's machine.
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splinkman
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11/12/2002
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i put mine in today, no troubl,it pulls harder, i had 89 in the tank so i put in the 87 program, it runs better..
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Rosco
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11/27/2002
19:58:55
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Does anyone have any hard facts about the hypertech PPIII?? I am seriuosly debating this item!! I have a 5.9L 4x4 quad with the crappy detuned pcm (thanks to pining noticed by dealer and then flashed ,now runs like a pig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) If anyone has any good data (dyno numbers, quater mile time improvements) I would really appreciate it. Thanx.
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360R/T
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11/28/2002
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Rosco,
I will have some "hard numbers" tomorrow night. I ran my R/T the night before I installed the programmer and it went a best of 15.1 @ 90 mph (only mods: FIPK, MSD 6A, flowmaster 40). I will let you all know how she does post programmer. BTW I installed the 93 octane program.
Joey
01 Silver R/T CC
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Troy
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11/28/2002
16:03:23
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Rosco,
Read my posts above. I told the improvements. I gained .6 in the quarter with a 4x4.
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Rosco
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11/28/2002
19:28:24
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Thanks 360R/T and Troy I really appreciate the info!!! Quater mile times are great but I would also like to see dyno graphs. Lookin forward to your results 360R/T. Another thing I was wondering. Does the hypertech only help you at WOT or does it help you throughout the rev range??? Thanks again guys!!!!
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360R/T
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11/30/2002
00:49:28
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Well the results are in...
Pre programmer-15.148 @ 89.32 2.203 60'
Post programmer-14.922 @ 90.99 2.149 60'
Over all I would have to say I am pleased w/the programmer. I am extremely pleased to be into the 14's!! I think there is some more left especially if I can get the 60' times down(to much wheel spin). I only got to do 2 runs b/c the track was packed. The truck was very consistent on both runs. The previous being a 14.927 @ 90.78. Next time out I am going to remove my tailgate/spare and see if I can get some gain fromt he weight savings. Up next 50mm F&B, hedman headers, and 1.7 RR. Looking to get deep into the 14's before going to an M1.
Joey
01 Silver R/T CC
FIPK, MSD 6A, Flowmaster 40, Hypertech III, 180 T-stat
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blued
Dodge Dakota
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11/30/2002
10:10:17
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i think that a PPIII is gonna be my next mod i just like the fact that i have control and can change the speedo for tire sizes. I wouldnt let your tailgate down or take it off it will actually cause more drag. The info on it is around here somewhere do a search. If you put a cover on the back that would help a lot. I think with the other mods you listed you could easily get into the mid 14's, maybe even the low 14's if she'll hook up.... What do you think the PP 3 did as far as low end torque? That is what i would like to increase on my 4x4.
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360R/T
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11/30/2002
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I also think those times are attainable w/slicks. The truck just feels like it has more in it. As far as low end torque it made a noticalbe difference. The truck is just nasty off the line. This is part of the trucks problem to...traction!! Ask Troy, he showed huge gains on his 4X4 and I think he is really pleased with the programmer.
Joey
01 Silver R/T CC
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blued
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11/30/2002
23:26:16
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Well im askin Santa (wife) for a PPIII for christmas now. Or at least for my birthday (shortly after christmas) think im gonna yank that nasty clutch fan off their first then do the PPIII. Thanks for the response and cant wait to see your truck with Drag T/A's on the rear...
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rtdkota
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11/30/2002
23:42:16
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"I wouldnt let your tailgate down or take it off it will actually cause more drag."
Well-- the weight savings out 'weighs' the drag penalty-- I dropped .15 with just removing the tailgate recently-- on a 12.77 to a 12.62
You limiting factor will be your traction with the weight removed off the rear-- run a set of ET slicks, and it won't be an issue-- and drop another .10 getting a 2.0, 1.95 60' NA.
Sam
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blued
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12/01/2002
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yeh i guess i wasnt thinking that the weight would give you that much but i guess it could. Have you relocated your battery to the bed yet? What other things have you doen to reduce weight? (within the scope of reason) I got the go ahead already from the wife for the PP3 just have to save up the money for it now...uggg cant save money for $hit anymore.
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Rosco
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12/01/2002
20:22:21
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So has anyone got any more results yet??? I am becoming less and less skeptical everyday. Does the hypertech increase timing???? My trucks timing was serverely retarded by the dealer and I was wondering if I could get some of this back plus more?????? Anyone got any ideas???? Thanks.
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dak
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12/03/2002
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does anybody think the price will come down in a little time or is the demand for the PP3 just too high.
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Rosco
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12/05/2002
20:10:05
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Troy how is your hypertech ppIII working out for you. Can you tell me what times you are running??? I have a very similar truck to yours and I would like to know your results from all the mods you have done. If you don't mind. Thanks
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