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TigerDak
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I was thinking about completely changing out all fluids in my truck: radiator, transmission, motor oil, front and rear diff fluids, transfer case, power steering, 4x4 shifter, to synthetic oils, excepting the radiator fluid of course, (but I would change that out too). Have I forgot to mention any others?
Anyways, this was starting to become a helluva list of fluids to change. But I was wondering if anyone can honestly tell me they have full synthetic oils throughout their ENTIRE Dakota using ONLY SYNTHETIC fluids????? And if so, any real difference in performance or durability?????
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DaddyDak
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I am not currently running 100% syn. I'm trading my truck in September for the new 2003 model so I went for the "quickie lube" last time. However for the last 3 years I was 100% syn. As for comparisons I don't run dyno, qtr. mile, etc., as it don't matter because I'm always in heavy rush hour traffic (and a mini van on the weekends). I used the "ears and feel" test. It seemed to run smoother, quieter, and shift better on 100% syn.
Quite a few guys here are running 100% syn. Everything from RP to Redline to Amsoil. I know Dr. D. is 100% in all his trucks and all his lawn care equipment as we have emailed back and forth a few times, and Big Blue QC's profile says he's 100% syn. A few good posts:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/5841.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6585.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6382.html
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sandman
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As an ex-tech. I can tell you that there is a huge difference. i have never seen sludge in an engine run on 100% synthetic. I have also noticed that the parts look like new and usualy measure out like new. The gaskets usualy come right off with out the need to scrape them off. THe valves benifit the most. Synthetic has next to no ash when it does burn. Ash is the agent that realy wears valves out. Transmissions with 100% synthetic do not varnish and will shift great all the way up till the clutchs and steels wear out or the TC fails.
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RICK
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I HAVE A 94 DAKOTA WITH A 318CI. SYNTHETIC FLUIDS ARE NICE BUT THEY ONLY MAKE ABOUT A 4-6% DIFFERENCE. AS LONG AS YOU KEEP YOUR FLUIDS CLEAN THERE IS REALLY NO NEED TO CHANGE OVER. IF YOU HAVE AN AUTOMATIC DO NOT USE ANYTHING OTHER THEN MOPAR ATF+3 TYPE 7176. IF YOU TRY TO USE B&M TRICK SHIFT FLUID FOR BETTER PERFORMANCE YOUR TRANSMISSION WON'T LIKE IT TOO MUCH. MOPAR TRANSMISSIONS SEEM TO BE SENSITIVE TO ANYTHING OTHER THEN WHAT IT COMES WITH. AS FAR AS OIL GOES I USE HAVOLINE 10W-40 YEAR ROUND. ITS A GOOD CLEAN OIL WITH NO PARIFEN WAX IN IT. THAT MIGHT BE SPELLED WRONG BUT YOU GET THE IDEA. PARIFEN WAX IS A GOOD LUBRICANT WHEN HELD IN SUSPENSE BUT WHEN SETTLED IT TENDS TO SLUDGE UP. YOU'LL FIND THIS IN MOST OF YOUR PENNSYLVANIA BASED OILS SUCH AS CASTROL,VALVOLINE,QUAKER STATE,PENNZOIL. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. IF YOU'RE ALREADY USING THEM, STICK WITH THEM. ITS NOT GOOD TO CHANGE BRANDS OF OIL. EACH OIL HAS DIFFERANT CHEMICALS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T MIX TOO WELL. SO STAY WITH WHAT YOU GOT BUT KEEP CHANGING THE OIL EVERY 2500-3000MI. KEEP IT CLEAN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS. CAR COMPANIES DON'T CAR HOW LONG YOUR ENGINE LASTS. THEIR IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. DO NOT CHANGE GRADES OF OIL EITHER. YOU CAN GO FROM A 10W TO A 30W BUT BUT NEVER BACK DOWN. ALWAYS GO UP. IF YOU GO DOWN YOU CHANGE THE WEAR PATTERNS OF THE BEARINGS. THATS WHERE LOSS OF OIL PRESSURE COMES FROM AS AN ENGINE GETS OLDER BECAUSE THE OIL TAKES THE PLACE OF WORN METAL BETWEEN THE CRANK AND THE BEARING SURFACE AND UP INSIDE THE PISTON PIN. SO STAY WITH THE FLUIDS YOU USING NOW AND KEEP THEM CLEAN. SYNTHETIC ISN'T ALWAYS BETTER.
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98FlameRdDak
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I use Amsoil 10W40 in the summer and Amsoil 10W30 in the winter. So the above post from Rick says that switching between the 2 grades will degrade my engine?
I never knew that. I had a 95 Chevy Cavalier 2.2 that I bought new and in the winter I used 10W30 and summer 10W40. When I got rid of the car it had over 100,000 miles on it and never had any engine trouble. I did change the timing chain and tensioner at 70,000 miles though...but all Chebbys 2.2 do that.
So now you tell me that switching between the 2 grades is bad?
I have switched over to Amsoil for the transfer case and front and rear diffs on my 4 by 4. I plan to do the tranny in the next couple of months. As for power stearing fluid...I don't see how you can benefit from that.
Mark
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sandman
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Synthetic is always better then non-synthetic. While you do not need synthetic to get 300,000 out of an engine it sure makes it easier to do. I have often switched grades. I run 15w50 in one vechile in the warm months and 10w30 in the winter months. This truck is 16 years old and has survived 3 years on Germanys Autobahn,6 years in Georgia, 6 months in Texas and 7 years in Michigan. I used to run synthetic only in it. I have to repair the rear main seal and the timming cover so it has recently been swithed back to non-synthetic until I fix her. I have an 82 toyota starlet that has been run on close to the same diet 20W50 Castrol in the warm months and 10W30 Castrol in the winter. It is my dads winter salt sacrifice and it has been in the family since new and it still does not burn any oil. I have never had a vechile burn any oil, spin a bearing......... It is important that you change your oil and filter regularly. If your oil is not approved for extended drain intervals then I agree with Rick that 2500-3000 miles is about all you should expect fromyour oil. My aunt got 300,000 out of a 2.2 cavalier with nothing more into it then 4-6 starters. She had her oil changed every 3000 miles like clock work. I think she was running 10w30 Penzoil. So you can imagine what is possable with synthetics like amsoil that are more then 4 times better at protecting your engine. Choose the best weight of oil for the next 3 months or 3000 miles. If temps will be above 70 F I like 20W50 and straight 30HD, 40HD. For everything cooler then 70 but above 50 I like 10W30 and straight 30HD. Everything from 0 to 50 10w30. If we are talking synthetic then 60 F on up 15W40,15W50,20W50. Anything below 60 10W30. I personaly have not been sold on the 5 weight or 0 weight oil synthetic or conventional. This is all professional opion. I hope this helps!!!
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Bruce P
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I second the opionion that for chrysler automatic trannys... NEVER use anthing but the recommended fluid.
Remember that an automatic transmission fluid does not only lubricate. It transferrs power, applies clutches and cools everything. There are a lot of people that trash their chrysler automatics by using the wrong fluid. The clutches (bands) in the chrysler trannys are designed for a specific coefficent of friction that is vastly different from Chevy or Ford trannys.
READ THIS:
http://www.allpar.com/ed/tips/trans.html
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TigerDak,
If you are looking to go A-L-L Synthetic and decide upon Amsoil I recommend:
The AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program
AMSOIL Preferred Customers purchase AMSOIL products at wholesale cost, without the responsibilities of owning a Dealership.
Preferred Customer Memberships are recommended for people who are not necessarily interested in the business opportunity, but want the lowest possible prices on the best lubrication and filtration products for their vehicles and equipment. Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for AMSOIL products that AMSOIL Dealers pay.
Ten dollars ($10) gets you a six-month trial Preferred Customer membership for buying AMSOIL products at wholesale prices.
Here is what Preferred Customers get:
Preferred Customers buy AMSOIL products at wholesale prices. The discount price is 15-20% less than regular retail prices. If you buy $100 of AMSOIL products a year, a Preferred Customer membership will save you money!
To become a Preferred Customer, you can send me an email: sroark@american-synthetic-oil.com or request a FREE catalog at www.american-synthetic-oil.com. I have registered many Preferred Customers here at www.dodgedakotas.com and would appreciate the opportunity to be your dealer of choice also.
Preferred Customer memberships may be renewed indefinitely for only $20/year. Preferred Customers can upgrade their membership to an AMSOIL Dealership at no additional cost at any time (at the $20/year annual membership level).
Preferred Customers receive an information kit on AMSOIL products and the monthly AMSOIL product, racing and application magazine ... the AMSOIL Action News.
For additional information, here are posts about Amsoil Universal Gear Lube, Amsoil Extended Drain Motor Oil, and Amsoil in general.
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6585.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6570.html
and an additional Amsoil post which may be informative:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/5841-1.html
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
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Big Blue QC
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The only fluids I haven't changed to AMSOIL are the antifreeze and brake fluid. The DEXCOOL type fluid MOPAR uses is good for 100,000, as long as air doesn't infiltrate the system due to a leak. AMSOIL hasn't come out with a brake fluid, so DOT3(I think, haven't had to address it yet) is what will remain, flushing the system when brake work is done. Otherwise, no problems to speak of. Good luck.
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Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Jason
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7/01/2002
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so hey BIGBLUE, you have the AMSOIL ATF in your truck? how long have you been using it? any problems with the fluid?
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Jeff @ PLC
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Here is a link to an interesting article - I read it awhile ago and this thread reminded me of it.
http://www.atra-gears.com/gears/dec01/technologySeries.html
It briefly covers most of what has been talked about - including the friction modifier debate.
Aloha
Jeff @ PLC
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DaddyDak
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7/02/2002
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Helpful ATF & gear Lube Posts:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6574.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6585.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6382.html
Hope it helps. I'm 100% synthetic and would not go any other way. I want to be able to give my son my Dak when he goes to University (10 more years).
P.S. Toyota will begin leasing in the USA today ... their hydrogen fuel cell automobile. THINGS CHANGE !!!! GO WITH THE FLOW !!! (no pun intended). Synthetics are "formulated" not dino from the dirt. GO SYNTHETIC !!!
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BlueBayou
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I said it once and I'll say it again!
How can Amsoils Universal ATF meet several different friction coefficients? Ford, GM, and obviously DC have different friction requirements to their trannies to shift, lockup, and performe over an extented period without trouble (ie poor shifts and or failure).
I really would like to change my 45RFE tranny to Amsoils synthetic tranny fluid but I have yet to see the proof of how one fluid meets different coefficients of friction. Do the specs that Amsoil meets, not detail how slippery the fluid should be?
Amsoil dealer: the Amsoil web site states that they have done tests and have proof that Amsoil Universal ATF meets the ATF +4 spec. Care to prove it?
I sent a request to the Amsoil web site about this and i got an answer about how they would replace the tranny if the manufacurer would not honor the warrenty. Thats nice, but my warrenty is up in about 14,000 miles.
I don't want to come off like I'm pissed or something, I just want to change my tranny fluid in two weeks and can't get an answer regarding this.
By the way, I also have an issue with Redline, in the fact that they didn't do anything to their C+ fluid and yet it made spec for +4. How does that work?
Sorry for rambling!
Blue
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Big Blue QC
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7/02/2002
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Jason, 22000 miles in 8 months on the tranny fluid, NOT ONE PROBLEM. I plan on having the fluid analyzed in a few weeks to see how it is holding up. I have confidence in the AMSOIL product line and so far EVERYTHING I am using is performing better than expected. Good luck Jason.
BlueBayou, hope you can find the answer you are looking for as I remember having this discussion with you several months ago. AMSOIL's ATF fluid can meet many different specs because it can. Wouldn't make much sense for a major manufacturer of synthetic products I don't care who they are to make such claims if they couldn't back it up. I have heard from some mechanics that there used to be many syntheics tranny fluids to choose from but as each auto manufacturer got more specific with their formulations it was found that many of those fluids couldn't meet ALL the specs of that manufacturer. MOPAR ATF+4 has many specific specs that are unique to that fluid and if a synthetic manufacturer CAN make a tranny fluid thats meets all of them, it justs shows how good it really is. Good luck in your search.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Big Blue QC
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7/02/2002
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Here is another thread.
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/v8/349.html
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Blue,
Amsoil Universal ATF meets the ATF +4 spec. I will try to find for you documented proof. Amsoil has over 30 years experience and the fact that they have never been proven wrong has to be given some weight as to their credibility.
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In an ongoing effort to keep all Dakota owners informed, to answer your question, and as an addition to the ongoing ATF discussion, I would like to add the following for all Dakota owners and those of you who may own additional vehicles which are not Dodge Dakotas:
AMSOIL Synthetic ATF provides outstanding high and low temperature performance and oxidation stability. AMSOIL Synthetic ATF also improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and increases equipment life. The service life of the universal AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs.
Since 1999, due to the special requirements of their automatic transmissions, Chrysler has recommended a unique ATF+4 formulation. In addition, Chrysler has been recommending ATF+4 for all previous makes and models of Chrysler Corporation vehicles.
The new AMSOIL Synthetic ATF exceeds the performance specifications for Chrysler ATF+, +2, +3, and +4 as well as MS-7176 A, B, C, D, & E; MS-9602 A, B, & C. as well as Ford Mercon or General Motors Dexron III applications. AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is available in quarts, quart cases, twin packs, 30-gallon and 55-gallon drums.
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HOW DO THEY ACCOMPLISH THIS? May I be so honest and say that I don't know as I am not an engineer. I simply trust their 30 years experience and the fact that they have never been proven wrong.
I will spend the next couple of days researching this product for you as it seems that 60% of all of the questions I receive are about the Universal ATF. Vehicle owners find it impossible to believe.
visit also: http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6585.html
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Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, www.dodgedakotas.com sponsor
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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P.S. No matter what I state here my opinions will always be called into question and it will be said that I am biased. For the record, I will always attempt to give honest and reliable information.
For a second and third opinion you might want to ask Big Blue QC and Sandman for their thoughts.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, www.dodgedakotas.com sponsor
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BlueBayou
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Big Blue: Thanks for your help. Yep, we had this discussion several months ago, and I'm still bull headed and untrusting. Sorry, I've heard too many horror stories and I don't have the time or energy to fight DC or Amsoil (or anybody else for that matter) if something was to go wrong.
I just get worked up because I really want a synthetic tranny fluid, but I can't prove it to myself that all will be OK if and when I do switch. I've got to see the numbers! Must be the accountant in me. LOL!
I hope all goes well with your tranny and I can't wait to see your analysis of the tranny fluid. I think that will tell quite a bit about how the fluid is working in your tranny.
Again, thanks for your advice!!!
Blue
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BlueBayou
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AmsoilSponsor: That would be great! Like I said, I really want the snythetic!
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Dr. D
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If DC had their way they would have you using MOPAR spark plugs, MOPAR oil, MOPAR air filters, MOPAR belts and hoses, MOPAR wax and polish etc.
I know a lot of folks who are using the Amsoil "universal" ATF and I know some who are using the Amsoil "SuperShift" fluid with excellant "firm shifting" results.
Dr. D
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Jason
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I see BLUEBAYOU's point here, cause say for instance, ford trucks, if their trannys use a "thinner" viscosity to work well, and the dodge trucks, use a "thicker" viscosity fluid to run well, how can AMSOIL ATF work well for both? it cant change viscositys just like that you know? I just cant see ONE fluid covering so many different needs because like I said each transmissions has its own special needs, concerning viscosity and all the other stuff. Its like a a child (ford trucks) and an adult (dodge trucks), a child shirt would fit perfect on the child, because it was made specifically for that child, but would the child size shirt fit on the adult? Im not trying to dog amsoil or anything, im using their motor oil, I just see bluebayou's point, its hard to believe that one fluid can be used for all cars, especially nowadays when trannys are so picky.
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Dr. D
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I am going to plug AMSOIL like Harlow Wilcox plugs AUTOLITE Spark Plugs.
AMSOIL is the company that brought Synthetic ATF to the market in the first place (the year...1980) and just a year or so ago they produced an ATF+4 for chrysler vehicles (AMSOIL ATF+4 now discontinued).
Now AMSOIL has a Synthetic ATF that meets and or exceeds all of the requirements of the big three automakers and label it as a "universal synthetic ATF" .... what a feat !
I am willing to bet money that another major oil company will follow suit just as soon as they can figure out how to imitate AMSOIL and introduce one of their own.
Make NO mistake about it AMSOIL is "The First in Synthetics"
Any Takers ?
Dr. D
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ChillDrD
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Chill Out Dr. D.,
The difference between you an Harlow:
Dr. D. : Aggressive and Defensive
Harlow : Humorous and in Jest ---------
----------- he don't really give a darn.
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CaliDak
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Life is too short to be so concerned with the mundane.
All that counts is:
A Dak that ain't a Lemon
Cheap Gas
Cold Beer
Warm Food
Hot Women
BEER, BURGERS AND BROADS !!!
I don't give a dog-gone about your Autolites or your oil
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sandman
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ATF+4 is simply a semi-synthetic or Hydrocraked base stock version of ATF+3. Redline C+ is a completely 100% synthetic version of ATF+3. So a completly synthetic version of ATF+3 is still better then a semi-synthetic version of ATF+3. I belive that the 1999 Jeep with the RFE trans come with ATF+3 then they switched it to ATF+4.
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Dr. D
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To: whomever told me to chill
I think I am going to take your advice and go down to HOOTER'S and CHILL while I get myself an eyefull.
LMBO
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MountainDak,
When you visit this site (I've sent you an email asking that you do so and to add your opinions), because I wanted to say thanks for your order today of the Amsoil Universal ATF. *** Now you are A-L-L Amsoil Synthetic!!! *** You have been one of my best customers and let us know what you think of the ATF product.
I look forward to the upcoming ski season and I'll see you on the double blacks. I'm glad your house survived the fires.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
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DAK-O
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Hey Bruce P.,
I checked out that link that you posted and I must say that it is nothing but a bunch of biased BS.
There is a universal fluid on the market and I have some of it in my trucks and my SUV ... A DODGE, FORD and a GMC.
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eddie_orlando
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The latest Hot Rod magazine has a good article about comparing different brands of synthetics on the same test vehicle, I believe they tested Amsoil, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, etc. Royal Purple was hands down the winner, increased HP on the dyno and some other results that were also very interesting.
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DAK-O
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Take a look at the July 1998 issue of FF&R (Fast Fours and Rotaries)and then tell me how you feel about Royal Purple.
I met several Amsoil dealers who had a copy of that mag and then ended up requesting a back issue for myself.
Their testing (FF&R Magazine) was done by a certified Lab and very unbiased using many high tech machines and a race prepped 5.0L race engine.
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BlueBayou
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Dak-O: Care to elaborate? I don't get FF&R so I was hoping you could shed some light on your statement regarding RP.
Blue
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sandman
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I can tell you that HP gain is not the main thing I look for in an oil.I would rather lose 5 HP and have an oil that protects my bearing, rings and cams. Royal Purple did not do very well in proctecting the engine, FF&R did some quality testing.
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