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CThomp
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5/29/2002
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I just got a fastman TB from Dan. Its a 68mm up from a 65. Dan does nice work. My pcm hasn't gotten used to all the new air yet. But when I crank it up it ROARS! It idles really well at 600rpms. I've barely put 20 miles on it since I installed it. Now i'm finding that my 360inakez seems a little to small (the inside of the TB is very ported out.) Putting the two side by side looks like night and day. He ports the entire shaft pretty dramatically and thins the plate. Since the 65mm is actually a 62mm because of obstructions in the shaft then I jumped 6mm! Wooohooo!
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SinCity R/T
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5/29/2002
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If your 360 air intake's couplings won't fit anymore you may want to drop Joe a mail... I saw a few posts where people said his couplings were really tight, and I think he got some new couplings that are a little bigger, they probably wouldn't cost much to switch out.
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Clevite 77
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5/29/2002
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Hey CThomp, Please tell me you got some Side-by-side shots?????
Hey if you don't and you have not yet sent out the old one just lay it next to it and take some pics lol
How long did it take to get the TB? (total time from the day you sent the check until the day you received the TB)
As you know I have a 68mm -3mm and wanna go to a 71mm. I'll have to wait a couple weeks though first.
You'll have to keep us posted
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CThomp
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5/29/2002
12:59:48
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I ordered the TB last Thursday or Friday I can't remember which. Received the TB Tuesday I guess (I don't check my mail as often as I should). Pretty quick I think.
I haven't taken any side by side pics yet. I already put the new TB on so i'll have to hold the old one next to it and see how that works out.
It's not that the coupling is to small for the 360intakez. The outside diameter of the TB didn't change. The inside diameter is 6mm larger now than it was. Herein lies the problem. I'm gonna have to play with it this afternoon.
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Clevite 77
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5/29/2002
13:53:58
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I can't picture what your talking about with the 360intakez problem. Is the inside dia. of the 360intakez to small now???
Was it easy R&R ing the thing?
I know you don't have too many miles on it yet but do you think the gain is worth the $200??
Thanks for being so informative on this sh!t I hate buying thing that I don't know what the results are going to be
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CThomp
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5/29/2002
14:11:14
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Glad I can be informative. I'm the same way about buying stuff. I barrage the seller with about a billion questions before I purchase anything. Its to soon to know if it was worth it. I've only put about 25 miles on it now (refer to first post). I have a feeling it will be though.
R&R was a little tricky until I figured out what tools I needed (had to borrow from my girls dad) then it was a breeze. I don't even think i'm that mechanicaly inclined.
I think the problem with the intake MAY be that the outside diameter of the intake tube may be just smaller than the inside diamter of the TB.
If it is it's noones fault but my own. We'll see. I may have to buy a new intake. Sh!t happens.
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Halo3
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5/29/2002
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Check out my web page...there are some hi-resolution shots of the stock TB & a Fastman TB side-by-side.
Semper Fi,
Halo3
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Clevite 77
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5/29/2002
15:45:50
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put the 360 deal inside the TB and put a BFC (Big Fu*king Clamp) on the outside of the TB, and squeeze the TB a little, it's aluminum, it'll give LOL, But seriously I would get rid of the 360 deal if it is that close and you do make it work There is no point in getting a bigger TB if your going to restrict it with the 360 intake.
How about this idea? total cost, about $70 US (filter was $45 of it)
Try this
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CThomp
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5/29/2002
16:02:17
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Yeah i'm thinkin about a home-brew. Haven't quite decided yet though. I hope I don't have to.
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Clevite 77
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5/29/2002
16:30:16
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What's that Halo? it looks like one of them there 5.9L errr somethin, LOL just kiddin, it looks like this guy does some nice work. I also noticed he got rid if the (not knowing what they're called, I wanna say the ribs on the outside of the barrel) Now did you end up doing the "s" bolt trick?
CThomp, I completely understand, first ya spend a good chunk of money on a intake and the soon after it won't fit. But I'm guessing that's the only way you'll get the full effect.
A little off topic..
I eliminated my 3rd cat, before really thinking about it, and now (i still have it) I am going to gut it and see if the guy will re-install it for me. I don't want to void the warranty. I doubt they'll notice a Ported & polished TB. But when they hear the exhaust and look and see oe rusty pipe-14" new pipe back to oe rusty pipe, I'm sure they'll give me sh!t.
So on top of the $300 I not only have to gut it my self but I have to have it re-installed.
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CThomp
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5/29/2002
17:26:26
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Sucks about the 3rd cat. What about a free-flow? Bernd sells them for $90. Another 90 I know but still. Its somethin.
So I checked out the TB. The inside diameter of the TB is now just slightly larger than the outside diameter of the tube. Just slightly though. Not enough for the tub to slide through the TB shaft or anything like that.
Maybe i'll look into one of those new AirMax intakes down the road. I've been exchanging some e-mails with one of their service guys. I think his name was Mike Carter. He said that it dynoed between 12-14 h.p. He said it was all high end but still impressive. He also said they redesigned the helix powertower TB spacer. So now he says they function the way the are supposed to. He admitted they didn't function properly in the past though I've heard they do work on 4.7L's. Either way it'll cost somethin like $372.00 for the intake and spacer. So i'd like to see some dyno sheets before I spend that kind of money on an intake.
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halo3
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5/29/2002
18:25:55
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Dan the Fastman does top-notch work on his TB's. He also provides a new S-bolt with them.
Semper Fi,
Halo3
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
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5/29/2002
18:49:38
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D@mn that's awesome Halo, the guy even hooked ya up with a "s" bolt? Not that it's all that hard to include an "s" bolt, but that's cool sh!t.
Actually CThomp I still have the original cat, I just took it home with me, I wasn't going to give them a practically new cat, (my aaarrssss) Thanks for the idea though. does Bernd sell a welder on his site lol just kidding.
I think it'll be fun and interesting to see what's all inside of there
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handi2
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5/29/2002
19:46:05
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The 360 Intakez should be made of 4" pipe. The OD of the pipe is about the same size as the ID of a 68mm TB. If you go any larger than 68mm on your TB the Intakez pipe will be smaller and need to be replaced. If I go with a larger Fastman who makes larger intakes..? I don't want a homemade.
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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5/29/2002
22:12:28
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Intense has a 4" z-tube and AirMax has a 3.5". My 360 is a 3" OD.
Howdy: How'd you get a 4"? I'm gonna get the AirMax guy I talked with to send me some dyno sheets. I wish companies would understand how much of a selling point that is. I don't care all that much how something sounds. I want the performance. The fastman is a great looking TB though. Outside stock/inside ported. Pretty cool.
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bernd
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5/30/2002
08:27:42
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Intense Performance is not building the 4" Z-Tubes right now. I'm trying to find out when they may be available again. If he's not going to build them anymore, we will start on our own kit for the Flometrics TB's.
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B1llyw
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5/30/2002
09:28:31
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Bruce recommended to me to keep my Airaid, which runs the stock air hat and resonator tube, when I install my 70mm. He seemed to think that would work well.
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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5/30/2002
09:38:51
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Hey Bernd,
What do you think of the AirMax intakes? The tech said he dynoed their 4.7L intake at 12-14 h.p. at higher rpms. He also said the newly redesigned TB spacer (Helix power tower)was performing better than ever at lower rpms. I told him in an e-mail that he should post those dyno numbers on their web page to boost consumer confidence in their products.
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Clevite 77
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5/30/2002
10:25:17
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Hey CThomp,
Don't believe everything you read. I'm sure all they have to do is throw some numbers up on there site. Remember that Tornado thing for the intake? I mean come on, your restricting the incoming air.
Kinda like that movie Tommy Boy, I can sh!t in a box, and say it'll add 30hp, show you a couple of fake slips, you still going to buy it?
(I know that wasn't what was said in the movie but you get the idea)
Hey Bernd, you should look into an intake kit, I like that 4" Z-tube but I don't need the big mouth filter that goes with it, and I sure as hell, don't wanna spend $2-300 on another kit.
"If you make it, they will buy it" lol
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CThomp
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5/30/2002
10:43:53
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Clevite: Those numbers came from one of their reps (Mike Carter). I exchanged some e-mails with him yesterday mainly because it looks like a cool intake so I was curious. Thats what I was talking about with the dyno sheets. He said they dyno run all their products before marketing them. So i'm trying to get him to back up his words with some real numbers via the dyno sheets. I gave him a pretty good marketing speel about consumer needs (maybe I really should have been a salesman lol). I guess we'll see.
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Clevite 77
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5/30/2002
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hehe no sh!t you sold me on the TB's lol
btw.. hows it workin for ya???
I gutted the c-converter yesterday, (TO ANYONE DOING THIS WEAR A MASK) I found out from my boss this morning that all the dust in the air I was breathing in and the filament I was handling was poisonous. My throat was soar for about an hour (dumb things you do for these trucks lol)
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CThomp
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5/30/2002
11:10:27
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Yeah don't they pack those things full of some kind of high heat ceramic or steel stuff?
The TB is really starting to do its thing. I've picked up a significant amount of low end. I normally start in 2nd gear (3.92's in flat S. Fl.) so the torque is very noticable. When I start it up in the morning i've got some insta- roar goin on. Idles at a very very consistent 600 rpm's. WOT sounds very cool and I threw my girls head back already. So far well worth the money.
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SinCity R/T
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5/30/2002
11:26:15
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I was over at Joe's garage last night (360airintakez) having some stuff powdercoated before the Nats, and mentioned this thread to him.
His 4.7L tubes are currently 3" OD, which were fine for the stock throttle bodies. He will either be upgrading all of his 4.7L tubes to 3.5" OD or else make a 3.5" OD tube available as an option for those of you with 4.7L engines that upgraded your throttle bodies to 68mm or 70mm (and if 3.5" OD isn't large enough he can get 4" OD tubes)
If you have upgraded your throttle body and want a bigger tube, give Joe a call or send him an e-mail (his website is www.360airintakez.com) just to let him know you're interested in this.
I still think his intakes are the best bang for the buck as far as the whole package goes (including appearance).
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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5/30/2002
11:31:46
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Will the filter still attach to a 3.5"? Doesn't seem like it would. So that would be an entirely new intake.
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Clevite 77
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5/30/2002
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It seems like it was extremely thin ceramic that had a...tic-tac-toe appearance to it (probly like 7 little squares per inch) I saved a couple big chunks to show a buddy, I'll have to take some pics
There was this cotton type fiber stuff that was against the walls of the cat, my boss told me that was to keep the inside of the cat from rattling.
My boss told me there is also platinum and sometimes gold in those things, so I got out a magnet and swiped it along the pile of mess. lol to bad, no luck, hehe at least I tried.
With my intake, it used to have a real good roar sound to it, but I don't hear it now over the exhaust. while at a cruise we'll say 25mph, and I snap the throttle you hear a little vacuum from the intake then the loud exhaust.
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SinCity R/T
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5/30/2002
14:27:35
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You'll have to talk to Joe about specifics, but it sounds like that's the case - people with bigger throttle bodies will need a totally different intake, but he's going to try to make one available instead of saying you're SOL.
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CThomp
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5/30/2002
14:34:00
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I guess i'll hold on to my 360 for a while until the AirMax guy can come through with some dyno sheets. I want some numbers before I invest anymore cash.
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handi2
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5/30/2002
20:21:48
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If Joe is going to make larger intakes for the 68mm TB he shouldn't have been selling the 3" size for 01 and 02 4.7's with a stock 68mm TB.
When I received mine and installed it I e-mailed him about the size of the pipe,(3") being to small. About the same size of the ID of the 68mm TB. All he has to do is use larger exhaust tubing. No response.
Maybe he will give a deal to us with stock 68mm throttle body's that bought the 3" Intakez.
I will gladly send mine back for a larger one and he could make us a deal on the price.
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CW
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5/30/2002
20:30:09
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I am just glad I built mine out of 4" to start with now all I have to do is cut the adapter I welded on and bingo fits right on the flowmetrics. I had always planned on running on anyways.
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Clevite 77
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5/31/2002
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CW, in your last post you said "I am just glad I built mine out of 4" to start with"
But I looked at your profile and it says you have a 4" z-tube. do you have a h-brew or the z-tube? and what was the price on that? near $300 us?
3" = 76.20mm
68mm = 2.68"
Wouldn't the 3" ID be big enough even for a 72mm?
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CThomp
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5/31/2002
07:55:14
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Its the OD of the TB that really matters. If you have a tube that has an OD to small then you won't be getting the maximum amount of air.
I'm pretty sure CW has a homemade z-tube. the 4" z-tube costs 250.00 from speedtweaks. I can't remember if that has shipping or not. To many decisions.
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