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5/14/2002
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I sent my 01 PCM off to B&G Chrysler in Michigan to have them do a custom flash and I can say now it has made the single best improvement to my truck. They have two versions; the M1 flash for those that want the max out of their trucks and a non M1 flash. I got the M1 flash which is:
Remove Torque Management (01 and up)
Increase Fuel Cutoff 1500rpm (essentially eliminating it) 7000 rpm
Increase Shift Points from 4800rpm to 5400rpm
Increase slow speed shift points to 2500
Increase Speed Limiter from 115mph to 135mph
Adjust fuel/spark curve for additional power (now requires premium) 36 degree advance
Flash is completely transparent at idle for emissions testing
1.0+ gain in 0-60 times QC 5.9 (I can say this is true)
I can now roast my tires all the way down the street, shifts are much quicker, and truck seems to react much better to you stepping on the gas. It's ready to race no matter what gear your in or how fast your going. If you have an extra $500-600 bucks and want to make your truck a second quicker (this includes the 01 pcms) give Dave Kasper a call 586-758-2003. I think they are fixing to stop doing these due to DC not wanting the liability out there. This is supposed to be the most aggresive program available on the 01s and a little more aggresive then the mopar pcms.
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5/14/2002
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I'm guessing this is for an 01 R/T, not the 4.7...
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kota on 20s
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5/14/2002
12:31:22
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i dont undersatnd how a flash (no matter how good it is) can drop 1 second off of your 0-60 time... if it does that, what is the time off in the 1/4 mile??
the flash would be putting out the power of a supercharger!
this is not a flame, i just dont understand
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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ZenDak
Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
12:32:44
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That sounds pretty awesome R/Truck,,you gonna dyno it for us?
I would like to see what 'real-world' gains it gives the 4.7.
I also feel bad about throwing $600 at a flash that could be 'accidently' over written at the dealer. I would feel safer w/a chip like ASE has. I don't doubt their flash rocks,,,but it seems like it could be too easily 'cured' by the dealer if you know what I mean.
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Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
12:42:48
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I think the 01 dakotas with the 5.9L will gain the most due to Dodge knocking off so much timming with the torque managment crap. There was a group buy on dodgetrucks.org a week ago and everyone says it does make a major improvement (1 second 0-60). The ASE chip just doesn't prove itself, they still have not done a dyno test on the chip, all their results are based on computer simulation.
I was a bit skeptical until I got the PCM in my truck, believe me it made a second difference. NO question in my mind the truck is much much faster then before. If you label the computer and secure the wires with tags and warn the dealer the do not have a problem with the custom flash and will not touch it.
There was a guy that had the ASE chip and then got the B&G flash and he said it was like night and day. Nothing compares to the custom flash.
4.7 guys will not gain as much and the standards will gain almost nothing. So this is more for the 5.9L guys.
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MikeD
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5/14/2002
13:09:38
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I was seriously thinkin about goin w/ B&G over Kenne Bell but it was twice as much and I could tell I got some power out of the Kenne Bell & the shift points were improved, rev limit to 6000 & speed limiter to 135 like B&G. For $350 they didn't do a bad job, wish I had 2 from each company side by side to really see what the difference would be.
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Intall: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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MikeD
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5/14/2002
13:26:54
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I called that guy up about removing the Torque Management on mine...he said he can hook my PCM up to his computer and modify it even though mine was flashed by Kenne Bell...well to remove just that one thing...$300!!! Their stuff is way too expensive for me.
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Intall: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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B1llyw
GenIII
5/14/2002
13:57:33
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According to Dave at B&G, "they just can't do a whole lot for the 4.7". He quoted me gains of maybe 12 horsepower, which is not worth $500. I don't doubt they can do good things with 5.2/5.9.
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92's w/LSD, Airaid, MBRP Super Single, Hurst T-Handle, BFG A/T's, IAS Shocks, 180 T-Stat, Jet Chip - Stage II
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kota on 20s
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5/14/2002
14:03:32
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thats odd... the guy at mike leach told me that the 4.7's respond better to the advanced timing than the 5.2/5.9's do.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Eazy
Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
14:16:19
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Can anyone tell me what "Torque Management" means? Also I am going to buy a computer next week. Could you guys tell me what are good computer programs to check out? Is it always neccesary to flash???
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Duner
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5/14/2002
14:16:55
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If they said their programming doesn't work on a 4.7 then believe them. Then it sounds to me like B&G probably wouldn't be the place to send your 4.7's PCM. I don't think I would write off the other sources of reprogramming just because B&G doesn't have a good program!
I just love all this "nothing works on a 4.7" kind of talk! hahahaha
Somebody better tell that to my buddy..... his 4.7 with just a reprogrammed PCM, a cold air intake and my ET Streets has clicked off some 14.30s here in the Arizona heat. We all know that a cold air intake doesn't do that much. Hmmmm, I wonder what made it go so fast? hahaha Could it have been the PCM? Nahhhhh, I heard those don't do anything! ROTFLMAO
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
14:21:06
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Nothing works on the 4.7's. Ever.
Except I heard about this one nut-job out in the desert that strapped a hairdryer to his.... now he's in the 12's......
but that may just be another one of those Darrel Waltrip stories.
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B1llyw
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5/14/2002
14:21:08
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Duner, I'm not writing off PCM flashes for the 4.7 by any means. Who did your buddy's? I'll step up and try something if it looks like the payoff is there.
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92's w/LSD, Airaid, MBRP Super Single, Hurst T-Handle, BFG A/T's, IAS Shocks, 180 T-Stat, Jet Chip - Stage II
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MikeD
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5/14/2002
14:25:41
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I talked to the guy about the Torque Management and its somethin Chrysler put into the PCM that watches how much torque is being distributed to the tranny. Taking it off he said was like a kick in the pants, its like you get the full potential the engine produces and all of it goes to the tranny and to the wheels increasing power.
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Intall: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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CW
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5/14/2002
14:27:48
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Shhh Duner. I am getting some pretty good times for 3000 feet. :) A 4.7 is like any other engine in the world you just have to remove the restriction points.
2001 4.7HO RC 5sp 3.92 LSD
Click on thumbnail for mods.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
14:43:54
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kennebell only promosed 10rwhp and 18 rwtq when I had my pcm flasged by them. but beleive me it made a huge difference. I pull 14.6- 14.8 gtechs all day long in my clubcab 4.7l
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Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
14:45:34
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At least B&G is honest and tells you what they can and can't do. The torque management actually decreases your timming so you don't take off as fast. That's a killer if you want to burst off the line or just spin your tires.
I'm not being paid to speak for them, I just had a very good result on my truck. If your willing to pay the price to have (IMHO) one of the best programs for your 5.9L this is it.
I'm sorry it doesn't work well on the 4.7L I don't know why, he can program anything into the computer (unlimited timming advance). Maybe the 4.7L is just tweaked out pretty good from the factory. That is why the 5.9L responds so well to his timming advance, Dodge sent them out running like a dog to begin with.
Another thing, if you can get the mopar pcm (2000 and older) it is probably the best value for you.
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B1llyw
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5/14/2002
14:45:40
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No sh*t Conig? Do you have 4wd or 2wd? Stick or auto?
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92's w/LSD, Airaid, MBRP Super Single, Hurst T-Handle, BFG A/T's, IAS Shocks, 180 T-Stat, Jet Chip - Stage II
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
15:12:18
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My buddy has his done by Leach. Although, I'm not sure whether they can do the 2002 model years or not.
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RTDKOTA
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5/14/2002
15:19:36
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I have a Stock PCM, 2000 Dakota RT for sale... It's on ebay right now...
Sam
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conig
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5/14/2002
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I have a 4.7l cc 2wd 3.55 pegleg.
mods are home made intake, dynomax super turbo dumped before axle and I removed my cat. besides that it's on 17inch rims and tires with clamps and a heavy stereo system.
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Dodge Dakota
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5/14/2002
21:30:26
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you got the same setup as me conig (minus
the 17's)...what are you running in the 1/4?
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01/4.7/CC/3.55/auto/pegleg/airaid+
3"homebrewed/DynomaxRaceWelded+
3"catback/TBspacer/ported-polishedTB/Jet
Stage2/No Clutch Fan/DJMdrop3-6/
HO intake manifold, HO camshaft, and Sure
grip limited slip are in the mail ! ! ! ! !
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MikeD
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5/15/2002
16:56:55
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Well I called Kenne Bell up trying to see if there was anyway they could remove the TQ Management feature on my truck and he said well the TQ Mngmt feature never shows up on the computer for the 5.9's but it does on all the other Chrysler cars and trucks he flashes. So B&G Chrysler claims it does have it...Kenne Bell claims it doesn't....who is right?
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Install: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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Dodge Dakota
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5/15/2002
17:13:25
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I had it for sure and B&G took it off, the 2000,99 and 98s could spin there tires off yet I could only chirp mine. Now mine are roasting! The funny thing is the torque managment doesn't really hurt your 1/4 mile times it just keeps you from spinning the tires.
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MikeD
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5/15/2002
17:25:45
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Well I roasted them today showin off for a friend sat there for a whole second or two before I took off. Maybe some R/T's have em and some don't. That would be weird if that was the case.
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Install: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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Dodge Dakota
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5/15/2002
17:31:57
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That is the case. Some 01s have it and some don't. If you can spin don't worry about removing the the TM cause it probably isn't there on yours.
I wish someone did a before and after dyno on the flashes so we could see the difference.
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
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5/15/2002
18:24:18
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I don't have any dyno #'s but I'll be able to give you 1/4 time differences in about 24 days!
SinCity R/T
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RTjohn
Dodge Dakota
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5/15/2002
20:05:14
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$600.00 just for a flash???
I can bet that program is no better than my MP PCM on my 99 R/T and that only cost me 319.99! That sounds like they are taking people to the cleaners on that thing! I know that Tom at Mike Leach Performance does an excellent flash for a much better price.
R/Tjohn
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MikeD
R/T
5/15/2002
21:02:38
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Thats what I said R/TJohn when I was tryin to decide between B&G and Kenne Bell. They both increase timing, shift points, rev & speed limiters. B&G can't be that much better than other flashes that you will notice...not like the difference you would feel between strappin on a TB and strappin on a SC.
~Mike~
'01 R/T
MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Install: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
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5/15/2002
23:24:40
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Supposedly the B&G flash is more aggressive than the Mopar PCM flash, especially if you get his "M1 Flash" (per B&G). I don't know the specifics of the Mopar PCM to know for sure.
The main point? You have a 99. People like me who have 2001+ trucks really don't have a choice. I've spoken to ASE and Kenne Bell and their flashes don't do as much as the B&G flash does. I haven't spoken to Mike Leach since they don't have a website for me to lookup their information, but aside from the fact that they do a lot of customization for blowers and such I don't think they have a canned 2001+ flash that works well either.
I'll let you know here soon how the B&G flash does... I figured it was worth the extra $150 to see the differences.
SinCity R/T
http://www.dakota-durango.com
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DODGEZILLA
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5/16/2002
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i wonder if berndt at speedtweaks will start programming his pcm's for this flash?
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