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landx47
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2/19/2002
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first of all i have a 02 r/c 4x2 4.7 5speed with 392lsd, this guy that i know has a 93 sho automatic (it ran a 15.2 last summer) i want to race his ass , but he wont race me in his sho untill i beat his 02 cougar, its the v6 with a 5 speed, i should be able to handle the cougar right ? how bout the sho? its all rainy/snowy here so i wont actually race for a few weeks
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CW
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2/19/2002
22:12:25
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Shouln't be very hard at all. Mine runs a uncorrected 15.1 with traction problems at 3000 feet. That is a corrected 14.5, without propor traction.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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D
Dodge Dakota
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2/20/2002
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man, my automatic CC beat a cougar, the guy
thought it was tricked out with his dual chrome
2" tips and bright yellow paint, bye bye
cougar...should have left the cougar to rest
back in the 70's, If you're gonna bring it
back...make it faster. Chevy did it with the
impalla(made it faster), but then brought it
back after a couple of years, and made it way
slower and uglier.
His 93 SHO probably has 100K or more on
it...dude unles its blown and juiced, I wouldnt
worry bout it.
01/4.7/CC3.55/DJMdrop3-6/mods.
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silverbullet
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2/20/2002
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I have a 93 T-bird SC (Catback Flowmaster and K&n) and a 02 Dak QC 4x4 5.9 (no mods yet) my Dakota wouldn't stand a chance against my bird.I just hope the Dodge holds up better the ford costs to much to keep up.They both look cool parked together,both are silver with leather.Laters Brian
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CThomp
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2/20/2002
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I used to race my girlfriends auto v-8 94 T-bird all the time. Don't know if she knew what she was doing with it though. Beat her everytime. I have a '00 4.7L CC LSD 3.92 5spd w/ horrible traction. That could all change here soon once I figure out what tires to get for my new 16x8 rims.
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silverbullet
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2/20/2002
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My T-bird SC 3.8 v6 with supercharger has about 230hp and 335 Lbs tq and weighs alot less and has alot less air drag.I drove the v8 bird when I bought mine and it was alot slower.Laters Brian
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CThomp
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2/20/2002
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Yeah the V8 t-bird did feel kinda like a slug. It felt real heavy when I drove it.
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Blkdak
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2/20/2002
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Silverbullet, You have the exact same taste as me. I was planning to buy a 92-93 T-bird SC for years until i saw the dakota... then the bird came second.
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conig
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2/20/2002
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becareful saying cougars are slow. I had a 95 se contour(same drivegear and platform as a cougar) with exhaust, intake, pro-m fuel computer and 75 zex nitrous kit that would run consistant 13.8 in the quarter. I also had a 98 svt contour with all the parts as above that would run a 14 flat.(figure that out a faster car with more hp that I couldn't get any faster) cougar/contour 180hp svt contour 200hp.
you should take a cougar all motor, unless it has a 3.0l conversion 250-280hp.
the sho shouldn't be a problem at all.
www.fastcougar.com www.contour.org
lots of valable info. I actually am looking for another se 5spd.
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conig
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2/20/2002
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becareful saying cougars are slow. I had a 95 se contour(same drivegear and platform as a cougar) with exhaust, intake, pro-m fuel computer and 75 zex nitrous kit that would run consistant 13.8 in the quarter. I also had a 98 svt contour with all the parts as above that would run a 14 flat.(figure that out a faster car with more hp that I couldn't get any faster) cougar/contour 180hp svt contour 200hp.
you should take a cougar all motor, unless it has a 3.0l conversion 250-280hp.
the sho shouldn't be a problem at all.
www.fastcougar.com www.contour.org
lots of valable info. I actually am looking for another se 5spd.
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Dr Q
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2/20/2002
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FYI from MSN Carpoint
Stock, my rc/4.7/5sp/3.92 peglegg pulled 0-60 in 6.7 and 1/4 in 15.12-you should smoke him (unless he's on the bottle).
Cougar : 2.5 liter, 5-speed manual
Engine: 2.5-liter V6
Horsepower: 170 @ 6250
Torque: 165 @ 4250
Acceleration: 0-60 mph in 8.7 sec. 1/4-mile in 16.8 sec.
Top Speed: 115 mph
Braking: 60-0 mph in 124 ft.
Road Holding: 0.82 g.
Fuel Economy: 21 (City) / 32 (Highway)
This from Auto Performance Central:
1993 Ford Taurus SHO 0-60 in 7.5 1/4 in 17.0
Dr.Q
'01 Patriot Blue SLT RC 4.7 5sp 3.92 pegleg
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
Home Brew Airbox
K&N Drop In
Lakewood Traction Bars
Dremel TB Port and Polish
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conig
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2/20/2002
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Your right he should smoke him, but this coug is probable faster then the sho. which isn't right from published times.
the duratec engine and the enginebay makes it real easy to hide high horsepower mods. NO and I mean noone knew I had n2o on my car, and noone ever though I did.
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jmagsho
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2/21/2002
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Well guys, I hate to break it to you. I actually own a '93 SHO myself, in addition to my '01 4.7 Dak 5spd. Depending on what kind of race we're talking about, I'd put my money on the SHO (especially if he's done any mods to it). If it's just a 1/4 mile, you might have a chance, but if this is on the road, you'll never catch him on the top end - your governor will kick in at 120 or whatever it is, and he'll still be in 4th gear. (actually, you did say his car was a slushbox, didn't you? Nevermind about 4th gear then (mine's a stick)). In any case, I think it would be an interesting race to watch, although I will say that my SHO pulls much harder off the line than my truck does... Just my $.02, FWIW
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landx47
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2/21/2002
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the sho is an auto with like 95000 miles, since he ran the 15.2 et, he has put a 200lb plus stereo in the trunk, and swithced to 17" wheels (16s where stock) suddenly im not too worried, as for the cougar, its a bone stock v6 with a 5speed i test drove one yesterday and wasnt impressed, i think i may start out in second gear in my dak just to make it interesting
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jmagsho
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2/22/2002
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A 200lb stereo? That's nuts!
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chris
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8/20/2002
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i seriously doubt it would take an sho... yes, cougars are slow, but SHO's are very fast... i raced a guy with a 2003 v8 dakota (dont kow all about the truck) but i beat his A--! my car has 125k on it and is about 65k miles overdue for the tuneup.....
My advice take the cougar, if you can, and dont even try the SHO
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shoman
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9/28/2002
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I own a pristine condition 91' SHO with a 3.0 and a 5 speed, earlier today i smoked the shlt out of an 89' firebird 350 v8 ,k&n intake, flowmasters.. he wanted to play with me on the highway ... he slammed the car into passing gear and i saw it so i just casually put it in 4th and since i was going 55mph i got up to 90 in less that a second...needless to say unless you're really souped up and on the bottle with blower, you're not gonna take a sho especially off the line... 89-91 they only had 5 speeds, the engine had too much torque for any compatible transmission.
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maniac
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9/28/2002
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I wouldn't mess with the SHO, they will cook even with 100K.
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yates-in-DE
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9/28/2002
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Well I can answer the question for you now. Every one on this board knows I live in Germany, this place has some great advantages.
I was leaving a small Village here called Maintz-Kastel (It's were we go shopping and I go to the hobby shop to work on the Toy) and was messing with a little pristin 65 Mustang Convertable tryin' to get him to run up the hill where the speed limit changes from 35 kph (21 1/2 mph) to unlimited kph. Well a little Cougar SHO was behind me right on my bumper, so I moved over to the right lane and as he got right beside me and slowed to my speed, we both nailed it he jumped me by about half a car lenth but that didn't last long. The Dak started pullin and I made up the half lenth as I shifted into 3rd and pulled away from him and stayed there till about 120 mph when I seen the Cougar do a nose dive in my mirror and by this time he was about 5 car lenths back. I slowed to 110 mph he caught up again and I nailed it again, I stayed right beside him till 120 mph when it nose dived again. (speed limited POS)
Well, I went ahead and mashed it up to 130 mph and got off at Wiesbaden to get some gas, he followed me in a little later. He got out of his car and was b!tching about the speed limiter, and said if we would have started from a stop, he didn't think I would beat him. So, being the tipical SA I am, told him I would wait for him to get his gas and we'd get back on the bahn and start from scratch. He thought that was a great Idea. Well to make a long story longer I beat him by about 3 car lenths to 100 mph from a dead still. HA! HA! I love it.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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SHO_CHRIS
Dodge Dakota
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9/29/2002
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well first off man, uh there is no thing as a cougar sho, you either raced a sho or a cougar, and listening to your story and knowing that you thought it was a cougar sho...... i think you raced a hyped up cougar.... cause uh, hate to break it to you.... SHOs actually are better starting on the run than a standstill because of the low amount of torque it puts out.... you could take it from a stop for a while, but in the end, your ass is grass
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yates-in-DE
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9/29/2002
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Well not an SHO, (since SHO stands for SUPER HIGH OUTPUT) Just HO (High Output) then. I guess a full fledge dictionary is in order here with each post. Ford-Lincoln-Mercury doesn't put the SHO on there vehicles any more since the embarassing Taurus's.
This was the car and it was suposed to have the HO engine in it according to the owner.
I will amend this as you see it now, only difference was it was yellow.
And the next chance I have to jump on a Taurus with SHO on the bumpers we will see if my ass is grass. (more than likely NOT)
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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sandman
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9/29/2002
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Yates< I love it!!! Your story brought back so many memories. My Dad was a lifer and we spent 12 years off and on in Germany. I was laughing my a$$ off reading your post. I learned to drive on the bahn so I have to say I am a bit green with envy. Keep up the good work. While I hate to see comparison between RWD and FWD vechiles the drag alone on our trucks at that speed ought to make any car driver embarassed as hell to lose to a truck!!! I am sure alot of people see your truck and think it is going to be easy prey!! I would love to see their faces when they get turned out by a pickup!!!
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sho_chris
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10/01/2002
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well, while i was unable to find specs on a 2002 club cab, and i know that you got some performance stuff on yours......
but this is what i found from www.car-stats.com
2001 HO cougar: 0 - 60 in 7.8, 1/4 mile around 16
1989 SHO: 0 - 60 in 6.6; 1/4 mile around 15
1998 dakota club cab SLT:.....
0 - 60 in 11.2; 1/4 mile little over 18
looks to me like you would need a lot of performance mods to take a slightly modified sho....
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alex
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10/01/2002
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Sure, that 1998 Dakota was a V-6 running 18's in the 1/4 mile.....
there are bone stock 4.7 5-spd trucks running 14's in the 1/4 mile. Sounds like the 2001 Cougar needs a little breathin' on now.....
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sho_chris
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10/02/2002
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Uh, right buddy... actually it said "4.7L"
unless thats just one big ass 6 cyl.
and, i am not calling you a liar, but i doubt EXTREMELY much that there is any "bone stock" goat truck that can run 14s 1/4 mile.....
now if by "bone stock" you mean, completely modified... i can easily believe you
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alex
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10/02/2002
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Hey, Ford guy, stop coming here to an actual Dodge Site and then talking about things you dont' know.
Here's just a single link to get you started reading.....
Again, you have no idea about anything Dodge, so stop while you are behind...
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/1391.html
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yates-in-DE
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10/02/2002
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Ya know, 15 aint bad for a SHO. Thanks for that, since most people don't mod their grocerie getters, I really don't think i've any thing ta worrie about from a Furd TURDISSh!t HangsOut .
I have never had a chance to stage my P/U in a 1/4 or 1/8, but I'm quite sure I can turn mid 14's or so with it.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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alex
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10/02/2002
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http://www.moparchat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=03534c2c6bf0501169a880883b94de84&threadid=42928
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Demon Dakota
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10/02/2002
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sho_chris,
I hate to break it to you, but the numbers you have on the Dakota are all wrong. First off, there is no 4.7L 1998 Dakota of any type unless that engine was dropped in by someone wanting to mod their truck. A regular cab 4.7L 5 speed could easily destroy a Cougar, including the HO version (which was never released here in the US). The CC 4.7L 5 speed would give the Cougar a severe run for the money (speed limiter being the key thing here, as well as driver skill). how do I know this, you ask? Well, I owned a 1999 2.5L MTX-75 Cougar and Contour SE Sport (same engine layout). I still own the 'tour, but after countless mods, hours, and money, it will "only" run mid to low 14's MAXIMUM. The car just wasn't made to hook up. What you need is to fabricate custom engine and transaxle mounts to keep the power down, coupled with the total performance building of the MTX-75 tranny, and the bullet proofing of the connecting rods and crank. Once that's done, then sure, it'll take most any moderately modified Dakota. What it comes down to is know your sh!t before coming here, because I'll definitey be the one to raise the BS flag when I see it. PS-- Your numbers are pretty far off on the SHO as well.
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sho_chris
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10/04/2002
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whatever guys, if i see you on the road, ill prove ya wrong.....until then keep living in the goat world...cause thats the only place you can race and win.........
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alex
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10/04/2002
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Thanks for stopping by. It was great to hear your entertaining opinions. Now, just move along.
Thanks again.
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