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bernd
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1/23/2002
19:38:10
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Yup...the HyperSpeed Controller (Proto-Type Rev-II) is installed and functioning as claimed. Much better throttle response, no overly rich (or lean) smell from the tailpipe (home-brew A/F meter...aka: nose), and the kicker is the lean spot caused by the supercharger at 1-2# boost under 1/2-3/4 throttle...it's not there anymore.
It took about 50 miles for the PCM to relearn the new (corrected) settings from the HyperSpeed controller (reset the PCM after the initial
installation) and adjusted the high-end enrichment a little bit (will need to put back to normal in about 50 more miles or so).
The final box will be released in 90 days with a USB port, completely sealed box (for under the hood installation), and software for your laptop. This will allow the end user to fine-tune the fuel curve (across the RPM band in small increment as well)...this means programmable and automatic. Yes..you can adjust on the fly (while driving).
I put some pictures of the Proto-Type installation on the SpeedTweaks website (Engine Controls/HyperSpeed) but keep in mind that the final controller will be Plug and Play with your factory O2 sensor(s). Yes...it replaces your stock (forward) O2 sensor(s). With all this said, it's also 100% SMOG LEGAL (CARB EO#).
I'll be heading to the Dyno shop this Friday to get some HP and TQ readings, but the butt-dyno already noticed the change...nothing else was installed in the mean time.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
GenIII
1/23/2002
19:45:11
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Question for ya Bernd. If it only modifys the o2 sensor signal (only paid attention to in closed loop) how is it going to do anything in open loop? Or does it put it in a defferent open loop setting since it sees a different closed loop fuel pattern?
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/23/2002
20:26:55
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The PCM uses the last O2 reading before going into Open-Loop for the fuel tables. If the last reading was low, it'll be rich, if it was high, it'll be lean. This "fixes" the signal so the PCM will correct it.
It also taps into the injector harness to modify the pulse width. Regardless of the the PCM ignoring the factory O2 sensor(s) in Open-Loop...the HyperSpeed modifies the signal constantly via the controller and replacement O2 sensor.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
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1/23/2002
20:34:48
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Excellent I will have to check it out at your site.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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CW
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1/23/2002
21:08:23
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Now you have me really interested. You can hook that little box up to my lap top? How does it compare to the ARC1? That is what I have been looking at. Can I turn it off easily, (back to stock), so as to make sure I am adjusting in the right direction
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/23/2002
22:02:30
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I had the ARC1 installed. The HyperSpeed blows it away.
There's no "adjusting" like on the ARC1...no knobs. The box i'm running right now has only a high-end enrichment.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
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1/23/2002
22:49:48
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So this box will be a kinda plug and play device. Probably won't have to make any adjustments. If it is that is even better. Sorry to pepper you with questions. This just sounds really good except it doesn't advance the spark.
Sending the PCM away in Canada is near impossible. Unless you want to have your truck down for three weeks.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/23/2002
23:58:57
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While adjusting the timing does make more power (if calibrated correctly), the fuel delivery is still the best way to gain more power (fine tuning).
Have you given any thought into an alternative for the timing curve? (Superchips ICON #4001 - Timing Controller)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
GenIII
1/24/2002
08:59:35
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Yes I definatly have. The price of the 2 are just a little much when put together. Ultimate setup in adjustability though. Would be just like running a carb I could tune the spark curve then play with fuel. I could custom talor my spark and fuel curve when I go blowen. Definatly the way to go if you have the money. Oh well one peice at at time I guess.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/24/2002
10:08:10
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CW: If you want maximum adjustability, SpeedPro/FAST system is the way to go ($2500).
Noticed the sig with the "Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return"...the system from a '92 Dakota or most Neons works perfect.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
12:35:51
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You two guys sure do know your Sh!T I wonder are you the dodge mechanics or what? If you live close to sacramento ca let me know
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Graphite
DakotaEnthusiast
1/24/2002
12:48:18
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Bernd is a tuner and CW is a dodge mechanic. Bernd is in texas and CW is in canada.
~JOE~
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CW
GenIII
1/24/2002
14:42:25
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The system from a neon or 92 dakota? You mean the factor system? Because I have done many a headgasket on neons and only remember one fuel line going to the rail. The problem I am having is finding a approriate regulator. I want a completely sealed fuel system as to not set off that check engine light for the "large leak dtected" DTC. I have everything but the regulator at the moment. If you can hook me up with one at a desent price I will sure buy it from you.
This is what I am doing, remember this is a 4.7 with 50psi of fuel pressure stock. On the 4.7 the fuel comes in one side and on the other there is a shrader valve. I am going to tap into the schrader valve and run a return to the tank with a in line regulator. To get rid of the pressure regulator on the top of the tank I got a diesle pump modual and stole the fitting on the top of it that has 2 lines on it one in one out. It will replace the regulator. Then I will tap into the fuel line and put in a filter because it was part of the old regulator.
If you have a better way please do share this is the most cost effective way I could think of. Total investment so far $0. Just need the return line and regulator.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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Graphite
DakotaEnthusiast
1/24/2002
15:07:10
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I am missing something here. CW, what will happen when you do that to your truck?
~JOE~
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
17:45:10
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I bow to you both Bernd and CW. You are smart. Though much of what you have both said sounds like jiberish to me it sounds very cool. I've been ampted about the Hyperspeed for a while. O
One question for you both though...are there a group of these different controllers that I could run together and be able to buy one at a time? Obviously different products will adjust different things. You might have already explained all this but I'm a novice. If we were talking hydrology or shellfish pathology I'd be all over it.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/24/2002
19:40:10
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CW: The older neons have a return system as well as using the return system from a '92 Dakota (yup...they've got one).
If you really want to make a stong return system (with better fuel delivery on the rails), put a crossover tube on the front of the rails with the return in the middle of the front crossover, add some #4AN (or #6AN) fittings onto the back of both rails, "Y" them together with a fuel pressure regulator right before the "Y" on the inlet side. Haven't tried this on a 4.7L but works very well on a 5.2/5.9L (working on a system for my 3.9L as nobody makes any rails for them...having to modify a set from a 5.9L).
I'm a tuner and ex-ASE Certified (Computer Controls and Engine Tuning) Mechanic and ex-BAR-90 Smog Tech (California). Been doing this (on and off) since 1989.
CThomp: The best scenario is to have a all in one controller...but those run anywhere from $1300-$2500 (Haltech or SpeedPro/FAST). Unless you're building the engine to where it's well beyond what the factory (or Mopar) PCM can compensate for (mainly fuel)...you can use the less expensive add-on boxes. Just think long term modifications and then choose the correct one for the job.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
GenIII
1/24/2002
19:45:09
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Graphite: There are 2 advantages to what I am doing. 1 The fact the fuel will stay cooler from the circulation back to the tank. A few ponies to be found there. 2 the ability to adjust the fuel pressure some to help add or take away fuel at the track. Right now I can't afford a hyperspeed or ARC1 for the adjustability but I still want it for the cooler fuel.
CThomp: Personaly for the novice probably the standard flash is the way to go. Easier and cheaper. I may go that way yet. I consider my self a novice tuner.
I am just a guy tryin' to have fun for cheap. (spent all the money buying the truck)
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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CW
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1/24/2002
22:20:15
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That would be a killer set up but I am thinking cheap at the moment.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.252001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/25/2002
10:20:45
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CW: If you have someone put the fittings on the rails for you, all they have to do is remove the factory caps and weld on the fittings. (It's not expensive at all.) I've got the fittings and "Y" for my rails but haven't had the time to actually modify/weld them on the rails. I only spent about $50 on fittings, braided line, and the "Y".
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Lesley
GenIII
1/25/2002
13:11:41
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Hey CW, I've thought of getting an alternate PCM (via wreckers or friend who works at Chrysler in Windsor). It could be flashed, no down-time for my truck, and the spare sold on ebay after installation.
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 R/T TB,
FMS fuel injectors
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CW
GenIII
1/25/2002
14:27:11
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Alright I am game where do I find fittings to put in the rails. There is a welder with a TIG in town.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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CW
GenIII
1/25/2002
14:30:10
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Thanx Lesley I thought about that option as well but no to many 2001s in the wrecker right now. New PCMs are $465 my cost if I remember correct. I am thinking about building a garage right now and when I get it built I can store my truck there while I get the heads ported and the PCM programed.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/25/2002
17:56:08
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CW: Grab the AN fitting without the anodizing (makes for a better weld). You should be able to find them at any local speed shop.
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On the HyperSpeed Controller...
The initial Dyno results are very impressive...for a 40-minute installation (nothing else changed).
Before/After Hyperspeed (No Nitrous)
211RWHP / 230RWHP = +19RWHP
TQ didn’t change (286RWTQ)
Before/After Hyperspeed (With Nitrous)
258RWHP / 270RWHP = +12RWHP
TQ didn't change (355RWTQ)
The last item to check is the track runs which will be done tonight in Seguine. (I ran a 14.55 @ 96mph before the Hyperspeed so I'm possibly looking at a 14.3 @ 97-98mph...i'll know in about 4 hours.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
1/25/2002
18:18:30
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Bernd,
Jet claims nearly that much extra HP:) Hyperspeed Controller sounds like a nice piece of hardware/software that I am very interested in. Since I probably won't be seeing a 2000+ suspension lift anytime soon I am planning on adding some peformance mods this summer. Are they going to be making it for the 4.7 anytime soon? and how much might we be looking at for price? I like the USB/Laptop hook-up. My laptop spends most of it's time in my truck anyway for work and I would love to have it mounted on a pedestal with adjustable tuning at my fingertips:) Can you run this with a custom PCM for more gains or is a stock PCM better? CW had a good question that I didn't see a response for, Can you "turn-off" the Hyperspeed and run as stock if you want to? As always, thanks for the info.
Flowmaster stainless cat back, Air Raid CAD and homemade TB connect, Poweraid TB Spacer, Splitfire Plugs
3 inch body and 1.5" block lift, 33x11.50-16's, Superlift Truspeed Recalibrator
Powerslot Rotors, Ceramic Brake Pads
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Graphite
DakotaEnthusiast
1/25/2002
18:50:36
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CW, I'll build your garage and you install some HO cams in my truck!!!
~JOE~
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CW
GenIII
1/25/2002
19:30:13
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Graphite: Thats a hell of idea. I will even supply the cams. LOL
Thanx for the tip bernd think I will try to round up some fittings and figure out what size I need. Nice dyno numbers on the Hyperspeed though.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/26/2002
02:07:46
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2TheExtreme: No need to turn it off as it adjusts the A/F on the fly for optimum performance under all conditions. (There's no way i'm turning it off on my truck now...it's a very noticeable difference on all around performance.)
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Track Update:
Just about right on par with the MPH...
14.65 @ 97.02mph (Best of the night - Bad traction issues out of the hole now - Need slicks)
The HyperSpeed controller definitely made the difference...the mid to top-end is incredible and no blower bog at all!
Once the programmable version is released (90-Days and "On the Fly")...it's going to be very hard to beat.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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bernd
*GenIII*
1/26/2002
02:15:15
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2TheExtreme: Almost forgot, it's not vehicle dependant...it works on almost any vehicle with an O2 Sensor (or two).
CW: The 270RWHP puts me at right about 330HP at the crank. WooHoo!...and with the factory cam and heads. :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CW
GenIII
1/26/2002
05:30:00
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No kidding "woo hoo" you are making it hard a hell to catch you with my truck.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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OttawaDak
Dodge Dakota
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6/20/2002
16:51:43
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Whatever happened to the "HyperSpeed Controller" Was it dropped from development due to complications? or is it just very delayed? It still seems like a good purchase ->if it is still coming.
Cheers!
OttawaDak
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Bernd
*GenIII*
6/21/2002
08:40:19
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I've put in many calls to the company (and emails) and there seems to be some sort of production delay. It still is coming...just the waiting game now. :(
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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