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NATE
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10/14/2002
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I would like to get a lawsuit started for BFG tires. They say I have a 30,000 tred life warrenty. I can not keep the tires from going bald! It also is really embarrising when I take off from a stoplight these things smoke like crazy. They just spin and spin and spin!!! One time I tried to start from a stopsign without my foot going to the floor and the tires did not smoke. I thought this to be funny, is this my answer?? I am not sure. I have tried to do the "no foot to the floor" thing again but to no avail. I went to my doctor and he said I had leadimus footimus, and the only cure was a Yugo. I like my truck so I guess that I will have to live with this embarrising problem I have. I am so ashamed! Damn those BFG's!!
I have also had this problem with Goodyears and Yoko's. I bet it is a conspracy!!
NATE
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Aaron Kamp
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10/14/2002
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My '98 Dakota's brakes lasted about 40K before I had them replaced. I had the brakes serviced twice a year (flush & bleed, adjustments, etc.)which seemed to do the trick. I did have the ceramic pads put on because the semi-metallic pads kept getting cooked and would squeal like a banshee after about 900 to 1200 miles. The ceramics worked great and I never had a problem with them warping the rotors.
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Matt
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10/15/2002
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2 cars before I bought my Dakota I had a 1995 Hyundai Accent, on military pay at the bottom I couldn't afford much more. I drove that car for 120,000 miles and no problems. The only maintenance that I did was change the oil and change the plugs every 40,000. Oh yes, and the first time I changed the brakes was at 104,000 miles. I know that it is a much lighter car and it was a stick, but at 15,000 miles I have already warped my rotors on my Dakota. What are the Koreans doing differently??
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99v6ExtMike
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10/15/2002
05:59:20
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I know you people are not going to like hearing this...i took my truck on Saturday to have the tires rebalanced for a wobble problem. At the tire center i asked them to look at the brakes and the muffler also and let me know if they need work. Muffler was fine and the brakes have a lot of wear left in them. 58000+ miles and running.
I can't say what your problems are, but, after having my tires balanced and rotated, i noticed that the brake chirp has lessened considerably.
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Joanne
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11/10/2002
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This last October I had a rearend accident while driving my 2000 Dodge Dakota. The person I rear ended was my own daughter who fortunately was driving a Ford Bronco w/a lift kit. The damage to her vehicle was minimal but to my Dakota....we're talking $5,700 plus. Strangely enough, this accident happened when the breaks didn't hold.
This had been an ongoing problem since I got the truck three years ago. Mind you I've had this bad boy to the dealer four times for the same thing and each time except for one, was told the breaks were fine according to the computer printout. Well the computer isn't driving the truck and ironically enough, the weekend before the accident I had taken a road trip to Lake Tahoe and had some scarry monents going and coming with the breaks bouncing me down the road like I was going over logs in the road. The breaks went into "skid mode" so many times I felt as though I didn't have an ABS at all.
Sooooo, the week I get back, the exact day I wrote myself a note to make another appointment to bring my truck into the dealer and complain again about the breaks.....I get into an accident.
To make it even better...the breaks have been checked by an independent person sent by Chrysler and a break and wheel expert of my own and no one can agree on anything, except the breaks aren't normal.
The wheel and breal expert says there is a definite problem with the breaks, the service men that did the test drives the following day said there was something strange happening, but the district rep for Chrysler drove it and said there is nothing wrong because they hooked it up to the computer and the computer says it functions fine.
So we should let the computer make the payments on it and take the chances I've been taking, driving it. Don't you agree!
A lot of good it does to have the human element involved when the computer is running the show.
Now I'm left with the job of trying to find an attorney and Chrysler wanting to inspect the truck again for the third time.
I guess in a word, I need some help!
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big head boy
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11/10/2002
22:35:43
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i've scrolled through a number of these replies and i'd be willing to bet on the self adjuster theory. as far back as i can remember Chrysler has had more or less the same rear drum braking system on all their vehicles, my 94 dak is the same as a 80 3/4 ton, as the same as a 72 roadrunner. it really is a "craptacular" set-up; very much prone to shifting the majority of the braking to the front. the only thing worse that ive seen is the system on my 54 coronet. it has two eccentrc, cam-like deals that are held in position by a threaded end sticking thru the backing plate and a lock washer. you could get it close then when you would go to torque them down theyd go out of whack again. but to add just a bit more misery, when theyd move they would knock the whole shoe out of alignment and actually push the other shoe out of place too. the front had these adjusters too but they also had twin wheel cylinders .im still trying to figure out why.
another thing thats kinda bugging me about modern craftmanship, is the fact that hardly any brake shoes for drums seem to come with linings that correctly match the drum diameter anymore. anybody else noticed this? usually i hafta get them close, take a drive to burn some lining off , then come back and adjust them. my wifes saturn is included in this.
futhermore, i think an error has kinda been made in the past few years with the shift to metallic/semi-mettalic pads, especially for street use. the reason being is because even though asbestos pads burn through faster, they didnt seem to glaze as nearly as quickly. which obviously causes heat on your "mexican cast rotors" (thank you NAFTA). or even if the iron is considered better because its more ductile, (acts more like steel). greater nickel content in the alloy doesnt mean its going to make a better rotor. when was the last time you saw billet steel rotors advertized? nickel alloys in the past were used to contain heat, not displace it i.e.: the first atom bombs.
maybe instead of turning your rotors, try just honing them flat on a workbench. a good cheap, course grit hone can be had for just a few bucks a hardware stores. thats what i did after the wifes saturn warped a driver's side rotor for the second time. plus it leaves a good, non-directional pattern, kinda like that Blanchard-ground finish you see on the expensive wildwood rotors. 25,000 miles and not a single problem.
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Tim98Durango
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1/25/2003
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bought a '98 Durango at 90,000 and the dealership I bought it from put new pads and rotors on at my request because they pulsated on the test drive. At 95,000 the brakes pulsated again and I had the rotors and drums turned and kept the pads and shoes on because they looked really good. They were great after that. At 100,000 miles they are starting to pulsate again and I don't ride my brakes or brake hard. I'm guessing cheap front brake pads are warping the rotors.
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Swimmer
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2/05/2003
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Folks, you've got to make sure the lug nuts are torqued correctly when the tires are installed. This is imperitive given the fact that the brake rotors are held on and held straight by the rims. If you don't torque the lug nuts in the proper pattern and use the proper torque, you're rotors will more than likely not be on straight, resulting in "pulsating" and "wobbling" when the brakes are applied, particularly in heavy braking situations. Also, you've got to re-check the torque on the lug nuts about every 10K miles. I investigated this very thourougly because the same thing happened to me. I was furious when my brand new Durango had wobbly brakes. I haven't had any problems now for 50K miles.
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reddak00
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2/05/2003
20:38:39
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Speaking of breaks...i just had to replace both
the rotors on both of my front disc breaks. a
very costly endeavor. my breaks didnt even squeak
or anything, just one day they messed up big time
and apparently the rotors were completely
dismantled. but look on the positive side, at
least nobody got hurt!! i only have 36K on my
truck too. sucks for me.
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guest
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5/28/2003
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Same Rotor Warping problem here, my 2001 dakota 4x4 SLT Club cab 4.7. Auto, Started at under 8K miles. I drive moderatley and do some towing but I know how to gear down and not ride/overheat the brakes. Towed same camper with my S10 with no brake problems.
I have not checked the rear brake shuddering and am now at 22500 miles, with no worsening, but of course no improvement. Saving to do a PowerSlot (or similar) quality brake upgrade.
Figure the dealer will not replace until (if ever) a recall is issued.
[b]I filed my complaint at NHTSA.com Everyone please do the same. [/b]
As brake search here results in FAR to many complaints.
Dodge needs to own up to theuse of inferior brake parts if thet expect to earn repeat customers
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tarheelSLT
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5/28/2003
15:36:54
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hey swimmer,,
what is the pattern and proper torque?
if this is that important why hasn't the dealers
provided customers with this kind of info?
thanks.
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W Sikorski
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5/28/2003
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85-115 ft. lbs. according to my 2000 owners manual.
Starting with a lug at the 12 o'clock position then 6 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 8 o'clock, 5 o'clock finishing up at the lug in the 10 o'clock position.
I generally torque the first round to 50 ft. lbs. and 100 ft. lbs. on the second round. I have 42,000 mi. on my Dak with plenty of material left on the front pads, no pulsation and no warpage.
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nate
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5/29/2003
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my lugs are torqued within spec and I still am fixing to have to turn the front rotors again. That's the third time in 25,000 mi. I probably will have to get new rotors this time.
to quote myself, "yeah, I like my truck. I wouldn't recommend you buy one, cause it sucks, but I am attached to it"
2002 3.9
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Hard Pads
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5/29/2003
22:20:39
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Nodoby can say it's one thing or the other. The pads play more of a part than the torque of the lugnuts.
I had my rotors and pads replaced under warranty at 1200 miles. Before I left the dealer I torqued the front lugs to first 80 lbs/ft then to 100lbs/ft in the proper sequence. By 7500 miles the rotors were warped again. The service manager told me that DC switched to a VERY hard pad compound because customers were complaining about the rotor dust dirtying the front wheels, not just on our trucks but on all their vehicles. Consequently people have cleaner front wheels but their brake rotors are prone to warping.
I said to hell with it and replaced the rotors and pads with the Wagner premium parts (rotors made in USA pads made in Mexico) and reotrqued the lugs and now after 52,000 miles...no warping.
Just my $.02 but if you keep replacing the OEM crap with more OEM crap all you'll get is the same problem. In my view it's more the pads than anything.
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Tim98Durango
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5/29/2003
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I ended up going with Ceramix pads from NAPA and the rotors haven't warped yet and I've put 15,000 miles on them. Ceramix are about $100 but they don't squeel and they create no brake dust.
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