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hardbody
Dodge Dakota
12/06/2001
22:52:45
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Just curious cause I haven't seen it mentioned here, any one run against the V8 tundra? same size motor more HP. But they are a little bigger so probably heavier also??? Like I said just a thought I had on the way home from work when the guy in the tundra behind me thought he was going to pass me, NOT! " My trucks not the quickest but their's a nut behind the wheel"
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steveo
Dodge Dakota
12/07/2001
00:02:50
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my friend had a 2000 solar yellow reg cab 4.7 5spd 3.92 gears, and my dad has a 2000 toyota tundra access cab limited edition 4.7 dohc auto. we used to mess around sometimes but never really got into it. it was always pretty close, but i think the dak would pull away. not sure though.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/07/2001
02:14:29
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I have yet to see a Tundra moving remotely fast. And I have yet to see one with ANYTHING in the bed.
I'd give it an onramp race upto 70MPH or so :)
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D
Dodge Dakota
12/07/2001
22:01:48
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tundra is slower...he he, my 01 4.7 has
smoked a few already. My brother-in-law on
the other hand has a 01 toyota s-runner
tacoma, and he runs even with mine, even
though its a 5spd. The freeway is another
thing, if you dont have your speed limiter
removed, get ready to be smoked! His
tacoma hits redline in 4th gear @ 120 and
then his speed limiter hits.
Doug
01/CC4.7/3.55 auto/airaid/TB
spacer/flowmaster/jet chip/DJM 3/5 drop...no
limited slip :(
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/07/2001
23:29:14
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Guys the Tundra is actuly a Full Size Truck. The Dakota is a Mid-Size Truck. The Dakota has a much better Hp to weight ration. Heck my old 1986 Toyota 4Runner with a 4 cylinder weights more then my 2001 Dakota QC 4x4. Their realy is no other truck in the Dakota's class size wise since Toyota did away with the T100. All of the other trucks are either compact or full size!
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jimmeyjack
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
00:14:04
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Hey sandman, my old 4runner was only 3500# my 01 quad is almost 5000#.
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jimmeyjack
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
00:25:54
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Also in case anyone is interested the 4x4 tundra 4-door is 4500 ibs.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
14:09:50
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JimmyJack, I will recheck my figures to day. I have them parked right next to one another. I might have miss read the data plate. I just looked at Tundras two weeks ago and they did not have any quad cabs just access cabs. The access cabs do not have 4 fulsize doors like or Dakota. Has anyone checked with Alldata to see how the Toyota compare as far as recalls are concerned???? I am going their right after this post!
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
14:36:37
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2001 1500 Dodge Ram: 29 Service Bullitines, 1 Emision Recal, safety recalls. 2001 Dak: 28 service bullitiens, 2 Safety recalls. 2000 Dak: 3 Safety Recalls, 2 Emission Recalls, 3 General Recalls, 45 Service Bullitines.
2000 toyota Tundra: 0 Safety Recalls, O General Recalls, 0 Emissions Recalls, 45 Service Bullitines. 2001 Toyota Tundra is much the same.
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CW
GenIII
12/08/2001
15:35:14
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I have a hard time beliving that Toyota built a perfect truck. Zero bulletins I doubt it. BTW your numbers are way off there are probably 29 service bulletins in electrical alone. I won't argue that Toyota builds a good truck but is it worth the extra 10,000 just to say you have one. The Tundra and the Dakota are what to compare. The Tacoma is way smaller.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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ram59d60
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
17:08:54
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my best friend has an 01 tundra. i have an 01 qc5.9. i was afraid to run him until i drove it. it is very flat and does not feel nearly as strong as the 5.9 motor. after driving my dak his response was holly sh** this thing is fast! we have since raced on several occasions. dak owners.... have no fear!
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/08/2001
21:23:21
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First if you look you will see that they had 45 bullitines. That is far from perfect. They are just alot closer to perfect then us.Hey we taught the Japanesse everything they know about building a car or truck. The difference is that they are very strict about quality control. One example of quality control is the fact that Nissian has a 500 quality control operations in aproveing a finish for their cars and truck. They even have a patented process that duplicates the exact chemical properties of bird sh*t. Their is absoletly nothing new about build a rotor that does not warp, properly aligning an axle, getting a good finish on the car or truck...... You can design a car to last 4 years or 14 years with out a significant amount of parts wearing out. You can actualy predict the exact nuber of miles that a part will last. I work in the industry and deal with this every day. I have had freinds that have been told to cheapen their design because too many 70% of these parts were lasting past 150,000 miles. They were forced to redesign until 70% of this part were failing at 120,000 miles. Here in the U.S.A. the bean counters and marketing people have more say then the engineiers do!!! On top of this you have alot of out-sourceing of key componets and very few quality checks. It is kind of hard to pre-samble a patch of parts with just in time delivery. So 36,000 vechiles get built with bad rotors and they hope your warraty will run out before anyone see what is happening or you get a nice letter in the mail saying hay we need to recall your vechile for a repair. Toyota has had it's share of recalls but it does not come close to the number of recals that Dodge,Ford, or GM have had. If you test the parts and the vechiles and design plenty of quality checks then there is no reason to have such a high number of recalls and redesigns.
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CW
GenIII
12/08/2001
23:56:51
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Very true but I don't want to pay the extra price for the better quality control. I have driven lots of dodge products that get me where I am going for very little money. I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in everything from full size to dakota. But as anyone who knows me I am far from a perfectionist. I don't consider warping rotors to be much of a issue. I have very little problem with what dodge comes out with.
Don't take this the wrong way but if you work in the industry and know all the bad things about dakotas why did you buy one? And I see now that you did post 45 bulletins missed that first time round.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
01:49:47
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Car and Driver test results:
Dakota, 4.7+5 speed, Quad cab 2wd
0-60: 7.7 seconds
1/4 mile: 16.0
Estimated price as tested: $24,000
Curb weight 4294 lb
Tundra, 4.7+auto, access cab, 4wd
0-60: 8.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 16.6
Price as tested: $29,548
Curb weight 4707 lb
It'd be a close one if it were auto vs. auto and 2/4wd vs. 2/4wd. But the Dakota would always have it in price. (by about 20%)
note: these were two seperate test under possibly different conditions, results under similar conditions may vary
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
13:17:31
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Since when was quality not the ultimate factor in purchasing any new product. I for one will gladly pay a little more for a quality product, cause I know that it will save me money down the road. A smart buyer will not always pay the least money. It is a fact that Toyota builds a better truck as far as quality goes. I love my 95 dodge CC v6, and the only reason I havent gotten rid of it is because I dont trust the quality of the new Dodges. In my opinion the Gen 3 is THE sharpest truck on the market. and its got power! both very strong lures for new buyers. UNFORTUNATLEY the quality is subpar. When I buy a truck that my family is going to depend on, quality is the #1 issue.
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CW
GenIII
12/09/2001
13:35:58
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In my family experience there has been alot more repairs on the gen 2 trucks than the gen 3 and there has been twice as many gen 3 trucks. Wea are at seven dakotas at the moment.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
13:58:49
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Sure I would pay more for a quality product but only to the extent that the quality is actually improved. Toyota has been pretty famouse for trying never to recall anything, they will do everything possible to the point of bringing everybody in for a service and then peforming a separate one of those 45 service bullitians that really should just have been a recall in the first place. Toyota v-6's from a few years back had horrendus headgasket problems and they have always had electricial problems. Just because the factory doens't want the bad press of a recall so will fix everything on the sly doesn't make the product 10 times better built. So if you pay $5000-$10000 more for tha quality it really should be lasting twice as long when you think about the real cost of financing that extra cost over the long term. Then when there are problems or even minor servicing, the Toyota costs twice as much for the work! News flash, I'm no math major, but if something even did last twice as long but cost twice as much it's pretty much a wash. I've just never had many problems with any make of car I've owned ovwer the last 20 years so my impression is they are all pretty similar in quality. I've even owned supposedly one of the most problematic Chrysler products made a 89 Grand Voyager with the 3.0 and a 4-speed overdrive. It went 145,000 with no major repairs. That was driven hard and put away wet, with service often delayed until it was long overdue. It even traded in for 1/8th of it's orginal value after that 10 years and 145,000 miles. Since that point I have stuck with Dodge, 3 other Caravans, a neon, and 2 Dakota's. I've always gotten a good deal on the purchase price so I have never been burned with bad reasale (the neon lost only $1500 over 3 years when trading it in to a dealer, had I sold it myself I may have only lost about $500.) It's just isn't worth paying more for less features, power and style, for the possibility of a few less problems.
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CW
GenIII
12/09/2001
14:02:57
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I agree with Hersbird.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
14:15:27
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In my family we have a Toyota 4x4 '84 Pickup, a '90 4Runner, and a '94 GMC Sierria. I'll tell you what, we have had much less amount of problems with the GMC than the 4Runner, although it had a 4 year headstart. Also, the engine is SOOO much easier to work on. The old pickup however has done very good and not had any major repairs...
By the way, one reason Toyota is more, is because the dealership goes through sort of regional dealerships that sell to them. So someone else has to make a profit somewhere..
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
16:08:17
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Here are some numbers straight out of the new motor trend/truck trend. DAKOTA QC 4.7 235hp/295torque. 0-60 8.1sec. payload 1450lbs. towing 6100lbs. Curb weight 4457lbs. MSRP $28.375 ------------- TUNDRA 4.7 245hp/315torque. 0-60 8.0sec. payload 1512lbs. towing 7200lbs. Curb weight 4518lbs. MSRP $30.724. For a difference of $2349.00 you get much more interior room, better braking, larger standard fuel tank, and a proven reputation for quality. --I hope we can have at least a little bit of trust in the folks at motor trend to conduct fair and non-biased tests.--
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
16:08:57
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I find the owner has more to do with reliability than the manufacterer, my family has had almost exclusively domestics and we typically runt hem into the ground. My 1991 Grand prix had a quarter million miles when I sold it. It still fired up EVERY time. The drive drain never had to be pulled, the engine never had to be rebuilt, it never burned oil. I see people putting more work into thier 50-80k mile imports than I ever did that car. My family has a tradition of running a car into the ground, fixing it, then repeating. our '78 GMC had about 350-400k miles before we sold it. And we abused the poor thing. We beat it up, slammed it around, overloaded it, and it kept coming back for more. No T-100 is gonna yank a 9000Lb tavel trailer halfway the length of california at 70MPH and still be drivable. 4000Lbs of gravel in the bed? Still not quite on the bump stops.Side swipe a telephone pole? (wasn't me who did that one) Sure, there's body damage, the rim was bent, nothing else mechanically. I expect more from a vehicle than most people, I drive them harder, throw them into turns fast, let them bomb down the freeway (downtown LA to fresno in 3 hours flat w/ a gas stop), and I expect a car to take it. What do I do in return? Keep an eye on the oil quality, change it regularly, replace stuff before it's completely gone bad, fill the tank up before it's empty. My first car was totaled after 17 years of service, my second car was sold after 4 years and 100k miles of service (the previous owner did 150k in 6 years), my Dakota? I might look at replacing it in 2011, when it hits 200k miles or so. It depends what's out there at the time. :)
I'll pay a little more for quality, but when a little more is 15% more price for 5% more quality and 20% less car, it's not worth it.
Btw, the most uncomfortable car that I've ever driven: a Nissan (caused me back pain, on another trip my dad needed a chiropractor)
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
16:42:55
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Sorry about youre back pain. Anyway its obvious that you are a very patriotic, will only buy domestics type of person. And thats great, I used to be the same way. The Tundra is built in the USA, by Americans, with 75% domestic parts. Thats keeping a lot of Americans employed. I agree with you that owner maintenance is paramount in the longevity of a vehicle. youre family is doing a great job of getting their moneys worth out of a car. I myself have 95 cc sport 3.9 with 121,000 on it, and when the time comes i'm gonna put a new Dodge motor in it. I see from you re profile that you are a Chrysler tech. I therefore assume that you do a majority of youre own service. If you are able to stay on top of problems as they crop up, then you're vehicle will last for quite some time. Dont be offended, but is it possible that you might be a little partial to Dodges? :-} CW, As far as rugged and durable vehicles go, you can,t doubt the reputation that Toyota 4x4's have. And if you watch CNN you'll see that the most commonly used vehicle in some of the roughest terrain in the world, read-Afghanistan-are Toyota 4x4's. Oh, and CW, no, a T-100 will not tow a 9000lb trailer across the U.S. but then neiter will youre Dakota.
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bluedak
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
16:49:32
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2011, hmm we might be flying our trucks by then
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CW
GenIII
12/09/2001
17:37:06
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Chis W: I NEVER even said that Demon-Xanth did.
My exact word were "I will not argue that they make a good truck". They do but I won't pay for it. Dodge has done very well by me and I will keep buying them.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
17:54:18
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BOY! talk about a waste of typing! I must be more tired than I thought. ANYWAY, that was for you ,you Demon-xanth you! Sorry about that CW, I,ve been awake for over 30 hrs. How embarassing.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
21:27:01
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Actually my perferred make has always been Pontiac/GMC, but they didn't offer a package like the Dakota :( would've seriously been looking into a Firebird except my insurance rates would be insane. My dad got a '99 Cummins+6 speed (one of two in California) because GM's diesel at the time sucked hard. (thank GOD they fixed that!)
The way I see it, if the Tundra wants to compete with the Dakota, it's gotta do it on the speed front, if it wants to compete with the full sizes, it has to do it on the load front. Can't swap battles just to make sure you win :)
Are they good for alot of people? Perhaps, but a large amount of the truck market would find them not suitable. For me, too large to be fast and maneuverable, two weak to be a work horse, and too expensive to be considered. That's my position.
What I was looking for when I got my Dakota: Cheap torque in a reasonably sized package. The only options were the F-bodies, mustangs, and dakotas, and as I stated before, the insurance on the formers would be insane for a 23 year old in california doing 15+k miles/year (I pay $1800/yr w/ AAA for comprehensive and a lowish deductible)
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
21:47:51
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CW I bought one because the wife realy liked it!! Dodge also offered me the best financeing!!! It was the perfect size. The doors were full size. I was aware of their past. I talked to a couple of engineiers at DC and they assured me that the 2001 Dak QC was a new beast not at all as problem prone as the 2000. I had them check all internal records and nothing realy alarmed them other then a splice into the main harness next to the battery. It was their assurances that helped convince me to purchase one. The price difference between it and a Tundra was about $2000.00 but the financeing was about double at Toyota. I realised going into this deal that buying this Dodge could end up biteing me in the a$$. I am hopeing that I will be pleasantly suprised. I also agree with other posters that said that timely maintence is paramont to long term life of a car or truck.
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bluedak
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
21:59:14
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Hey Chris W, I believe he said that a t-100 couldn't pull a 9000 pound trailer halfway across California not halfway across the U.S.
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CW
GenIII
12/09/2001
22:01:56
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Ahh I see the better half was involved. I hope that you will be pleasently surprized as well. BTW it is hard to turn down 0% financing.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD sport plus
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, flowmaster cat back, adjusted TPS from .51v to .76v, 4" cold air intake
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
22:09:18
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To correct the quote:
"No T-100 is gonna yank a 9000Lb tavel trailer halfway the length of california at 70MPH and still be drivable" (about 500-600 miles) That's something our aging GMC did. The point being that Toyota doesn't have a truck that can really compete with domestic fullsizes, which is where it is claimed to be competing.
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BlkDak
Dodge Dakota
12/10/2001
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Who cares about the Numbers and comparison's because when you put a toyota next to a dodge there is not comparison... Its A DODGE!
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BlkDak
Dodge Dakota
12/10/2001
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sorry typo... its 330am
There is no comparison!
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hivolt
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2002
20:36:27
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I drag race my stock 01 Tundra, v8 auto. I weigh in at 4810 lbs. with added accessories ( no power enchancements yet). Sorry Dodge boys ,I have not yet been beaten yet by any Dodge truck, whether Dakota or full size, any engine. Although I have only raced 11 competitors so far, the cross section has been diverse. The only accurate speed test is a heads up 1/4 mile drag race on a track with NHRA approved timers. In this way both vehicles are subject to the same conditions regarding temperature, humidity, air density, head/tail wind etc. Also note that the Tundra is a full size truck, so you can't compete with towing capacity or payload. Also a Dakota is a lighter vehicle so the power to weight ratio will be higher. But don't dispair when TRD brings out the new supercharger for the Tundra ( expected @ + 110 hp)the Tundra's power to weight ratio will also beat you. Stick to mid size comparisons you will do better!! p.s. some of my best friends own Dodges, but no friends are perfect.
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
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DAMN LURKERS!
What was your 1/4 BTW, you never posted a time -- this is assuming you are still lurking.
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