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Stang 5.0
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
18:30:36
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First I would like to tell every dakota man that I own a 5.0 Mustang and it kicks ass, but thats not the reason I am on your website its because my brother owns a 2001 Dakota Sport RC 4.7 5-speed with 3.92's. The only bolt on is lakewood traction bars and a K&N. For all of the 4.7 guys the traction bars work a wounder, it will be the best $30 bucks you would ever put into your DAK. He ran a 15.0 at 89mph with the addition of traction bars he ran a 14.7 at 91mph. Now getting on the subject of 4.7 vs. 5.9RT, Ive seen it with my own eyes, my brothers truck stomp a RT CC at the track, the RT ran a 15.4(lucky run, he was consistent at 15.6's) and the 4.7 ran a 15.0 in the 1/4! I know it was a CC compared to a RC but the RC R/T runs a 15.0 in the 1/4 (motertrend) Another time at the track I seen a RC RT run a 16.2 (Weather was HOt 90 degrees) but with NOS ran a 14.7, hell my brothers 4.7 ran this with just traction bars and you 5.9 R/T guys think you can stomp 4.7s. So for all of you 4.7 guys when a weak as 5.9 pulls up on side of you show them how stupid they are for spending about $3 grain more for a slower truck.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
18:35:40
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I'm staying out of this flame fest!
Stang 5.0..... where you at? Wanna race? I've got a 4.7 5-speed.
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Stang 5.0
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
18:47:42
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Sorry just went to the track this past weekend and kicked my brothers 4.7 ass, i can't brag 2 much I only beat him by 2 tenths, I am lacking a 5-speed, the sorry AOD doesn't cut it at the track. The dak ran a 15.0 at 89mph( because of warm weaher) and I ran a 14.8 at 93.5mph. What does your 4.7 run in the quarter?
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
18:52:11
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Which track? Where are you located at? I'm here in the Phoenix area.
I took mine to the track last friday night... the best timeslip was a 12.76 @ 107.77 mph.
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CW
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
19:37:49
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go Dunner go I want to see mustang boy cry.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
20:55:49
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Damn you fast Duner!!
I also added the Lakewood trac bars and yes they do help. No bouce at all and it actually seems to improve load capacity and handling by stiffining the leafs.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
21:04:23
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In case you guys haven't clued in this is one of the reg's on this board taking advantage of the bogus format to take a jab at me for claiming I have beaten some 5.0 Mustangs. Apparently I am a liar but hey I've heard worse.
My slow asss 4.7 reg cab 5 speed 3.92 is actually very very slow and my brother 4 cyl Kia will sereve me my lunch in a heart beat.
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shannon
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
22:09:18
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No Jeffster I dont think he know who you are. Im his brother with the dakota. He just wants to get the RT boys rhiled up but what he said was true. Right now he's thinking about getting a dakota when he gets out of collage. Its between a dakota with a 5.7 hemi (if they make them) or a 4.7 H.O. or a 2004 mustang gt with a 4.6. Duner, all I can say is WOW! Didn't know those motors had that much in them. Just think If that motor was in something light like a dart or a duster!
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
22:28:57
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Yeah Shannon..... I sure wish I could figure out a way to shed about 1000 lbs when I go to the track. I'm not willing to do without any of the comforts just to go quicker, so gutting the thing of niceties like the A/C and cruise control are out! hehehe
I hope your brother doesn't think I was trying to start anything..... I was just looking for some "action" hehehe I was kinda hoping you guys were here in Phoenix. When I went out to Speedworld on the other side of town.... I didn't know a soul at the track. Besides, friendly grudge matches are always fun!
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
09:50:53
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Hey, I own a 5.9L RC 2001 R/T.
I'll tell you why they get ragged on. The engine dies off too quick! I run 15.1 at 89 with poor traction up here in Wichita, KS. I don't have the sea level advantage either. Now the 4.7L does come with a better system on top of the block thus making better top end. My stock dyno test looks like a pyramid. It looses near 60hp at the wheel after 1000 rpm from the peak hp. From a few different sources any 5.9L can really show it's cubes by replacing the Beer Keg intake manifold. M1 2 barrel should fix my problem. Once I regain that 60 maybe even 70hp at the wheels near 5k, I'll be well within the low 14's. Say what you will, but if this old 5.9L torque machine can pull these numbers with loosing 60hp near redline, now that's not bad at all. I love my Dak, better than any POS Ford I owned!
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
10:31:30
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I don't know about the R/T's just the posted times.
What I do know is that the RC 4.7/5sp/3.92 is one of the best kept secrets out there. I think that they are probobly rarer than the R/T's...and some would argue quicker.
Bone Stock (g-tech):
0-60 @ 6.75sec.
1/4mi @ 15.12@96.4
After less than $100 in mods(g-tech):
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
Dr.Q
'01 Patriot Blue SLT RC 4.7 5sp 3.92 pegleg
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
Home brew airbox
K&N Drop in
Lakewood Traction Bars
Dremel port and polish
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
11:16:17
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Stang boy, your numbers in the first post show the stock 4.7 5-speed RC equal to a stock RC R/T. So why do you go on to say the 4.7 stomps the R/T? You are using flawed logic to compare RC to CC and stock to modded. Bottom line I've seen magazine tests for the club cab pure stock in not perfect conditions run a 15.1 (High performance Mopar sept 98) and a RC is good for at least .3 better. Also on good days after a break in period stock RC R/T have run mid 14's, even Duners stock CC R/T ran mid 14's. I had a 93 RC 5.2 auto, 3.55 LS, Dakota LE that ran 14.9 at sears point with $400 in mods, and while my R/T hasn't been to the track it is much faster then then my 93, and it is still 100% showroom stock. Maybe I got a good one, but I'd be willing to run any stock 4.7's out there, some may be equal in performance to my 5.9 but running the best 2 out of 3 the consistancy of my R/T would prevail. Bottom line Stock 4.7 5-speeds are about equal in straight line performance to a R/T, and certainly they don't "stomp" them. Now let the warrenty run out on the 4.7 and see how long you can keep up high RPM clutch dropping launches on the 4.7 before you decide you need money more then new transmissions and axles, the stock R/T can do what it does much longer without breaking parts from abuse. 4.7's are great and all but why are these flame wars always started by a post exactly like this? ("4.7 stomps R/T") Now just wait, soon there will be something about how insecure the 5.9 guys are, seems like its the other way around, based on who always starts these things.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
11:22:16
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Oh and by the way, if you think you want the hemi Dakota be willing to wait untill well into 2004 or longer. If they drop the 5.9 for a 4.7 HO in the Dakota next year, mark my words, it wont be any faster then the current 5.9. Why? because it won't be available with a 5-speed, and it doesn't make enough torque when attatched to the automatic to be any faster then a 5.9. Just look at the Jeep boards the new 4.7 HO's there are not as fast as the old 98 5.9 limiteds were (although they are a bit heavier). Maybe if somebody were to get a HO 4.7 with 2wd then it would.
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1Fine5.9
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
12:24:00
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Aint no replacement for displacement, i've raced my friends neighbors 4.7 5 speed with my CC R/T and made him cry at a roll of 25, all he had to say after that was, I need to get me one of those..I am slightly modded and run mid 14s, but 5 car lengths dont car about that.Now Duner, I wouldnt mess with, I know about the twin turbos, i stay away from that for now.Duner smoke that 5.0 for us all please, let him know what Dodge trucks are all about..props to 5.9s and props to 4.7s
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
12:53:59
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I am excluding myself from all future 4.7 vs 5.9 arguments.
I no longer get to participate. I've gotten too far away from the stock 4.7 performance level to be of any value. I fully realize that my 4.7 has very little to do with how everyone else's 4.7s run.... other than sheer potential. It has been pointed out to me by some of my R/T brothers - that had I put a turbo on my 1st R/T, that I might be closer to the 11s. That might be true and then again I might be in the middle of changing head gaskets! hehehe I'm very happy either way.
I am continuing to build my truck to be what I wanted... but that leaves me out of these "conversations/arguments/battles/pissing matches".
I will however reserve the right to challenge 5.0 drivers! hehehe
Please continue.............
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
13:05:16
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I'll tell you what, my Uncle has a Nissan Ext Cab with a 406ci Chevy engine. He beats Mustang GT's, Cobra's, and Saleen's cause they all suck.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
13:41:11
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I think the funny part about the 4.7 versus 5.9 fights is how many there are. Do you guys realize why there are so many pissing contests? Because even though the 4.7 may not be able to win every race against a 5.9, it's won quite a few. And in the cases where the 4.7 has lost, it's been way too close to claim that the 5.9 "absolutely stomped" a 4.7 truck.
What I'm saying is that we have paid $3000-$4000 less for our 4.7 trucks and ended up with 73 less cubic inches and we're still right there out your side window!! HahAhahahahhahaaaaaaa......
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
14:51:42
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Haven't we already addressed this topic to death. The 4.7L is a great engine, your right there with us. O.K. you have proved that you are worthy and now you may hang out with us.
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ALEX
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
15:41:50
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Thanks for having us. It feels great to be as cool as you guys. And now we actually get to hang out....... Ya'll frickin' rock.
Heh.
WooHoo! 4.7's forever!! WooHoo!!
Okay, that'll do......
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
20:48:24
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I agree with R/Truck. The 4.7's are proven and hang with the R/T's, who's faster depends on mod's and driver, 5 speed or manual. Both are very nice rides and both have their strength's and weaknesses.
Peace.
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Bob
GenIII
11/06/2001
21:30:20
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You all have missed one important thing,the 4.7 Dak is a real truck.It well haul more weight than a R/T.If a 4.7 get's beat by a 5.9,big deal,remember the 4.7 is only 287 cu in.
A day with out sunshine is like...night.
Zoom zoom zoom
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
06:34:27
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What everyone has failed to realize in any of these R/T vs 4.7 battles is they were all straight line races. The R/T made for more than just straight line performance. Let me take any stock 4.7 5-speed onto a road coarse to race a stock R/T, and see who comes out the victor. I guarantee that if both drivers had equal skill, that the R/T will blow away the 4.7 sport every time. R/T's gots handling to go right along with the speed.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
08:32:59
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How many times do you see an SCCA racer or a Trans Am racer or a Speedvision World Cup racer that has been equipped with a 4-spd overdrive automatic slushbox transmission? The R/T was a nice idea and Dodge engineering could've been a bit more ballsy in their approach, but overall, this R/T thing has turned out to be a marketing gimick. Kinda like the Dodge Motorsports Package that's currently available.
The other thing you've got to consider is that we all keep bragging about how one stock truck will take another stock truck. Why is everyone's truck still stock? So far, Duner's got the fastest 4.7L truck, and he's got the complete R/T suspension (off another truck) installed on his 4.7 Sport. So, he's pretty much able to keep up with all you R/T guys on any track you want. So don't go claiming any R/T victories at Watkins Glen just yet.
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
09:59:59
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So what's your point Alex? 4.7L vs R/T? 4.7L vs 5.9L? This Vs That?
How does taking an R/T suspension not make a Sport or SLT not more of a R/T?
I bought my R/T because it had everything I wanted, Big engine, Awesome Looks, great Handling, Auto, an much more.
My second choice was a Black, RC, 4.7L, 5-spd.
Only draw backs on the Sport or SLT with the 4.7L to me was, not having a solid color front bumper, no wheel flares, softer handling, stiffer rear end, odd having a 5-speed in a truck, wife can't drive stick too well, smaller rims and tires, less after-market for 4.7L's, 4.7L are rated with less HP & TQ, quieter exhaust, harder to order or find.
For me the R/T was hassle free and cheaper way to go. I got a great deal with this add-on package for free, it came with a color match fiberglass bed cover, bed liner, racing stripes, and tinted windows. Not to mention Overhead console, CD-EQ,Tape,Infinaty speaks, Leather Steering wheel, Fully Loaded, for 20k. Now with the Sport I would of had to order it and wait, plus it cost more an didn't have everything I wanted as I mentioned above.
I like beating vehicles with stick shifts. I don't even have to try, all I need is one hand. The other is free to hold my drink or turn up the radio as I do some wupping. Also give me consistent times at the track.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
10:44:37
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If you were to put the 5.9L in a sport body it would haul just as much as the 4.7L. You don't see Corvettes hauling horse trailers around, yet the same size engine in the truck can do it. The R/T was designed to do more then go fast, it also handles like a sports car. I didn't buy this truck to pull things, race 4.7L trucks or to determine later if I have the fastest truck.
Lets get real.
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Dr Q
DakotaEnthusiast
11/07/2001
11:09:36
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The 5.9 is in a Sport body. Just lowered 1" amd a sway bar in the back. The reason the Rc 4.7/5sp/3.92 is quicker STOCK is gearing, weight, and drivetrain loss. It's that auto transmission, it's heavier and the torque conv. sucks up more power. That combined with the lower gears, smaller and lighter tires means that you got more revs. going at a given speed. If some one could get the grear ratios for the 5sp and auto I could probobly make up a graph.
Dr.Q
'01 Patriot Blue SLT RC 4.7 5sp 3.92 pegleg
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
Home Brew Airbox
K&N Drop In
Lakewood Traction Bars
Dremel TB Port and Polish
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Stang 5.0
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
11:21:44
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Hey Hersbird, the only flawed logic of comparison is yours. If you read CLOSLY to what I have written it does not say that Ive seen a Stock RC RT run a 14.7, it says that Ive saw a RT with NOS run a 14.7 and stock a 16.2 these times were done in pretty hot conditions, so get your stuff straight. Kyle M., I bet that POS chevy with a 406 will not run a 10.2 in the 1/4 like a 1982 mustang I saw at the track with a small 351 with no power adders or NOS. Dunner your truck kicks a$$, I don't beleive I want to race you, maybe in a few years.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
11:21:48
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Anthony
"odd having a 5-speed in a truck, wife can't drive stick too well"
What?? Are shopping for a truck for your wife to drive? Come on, guy......
I ordered my 4.7 5-spd and I got everything you have except for the hard tonneau and fender flares. My tonneau is soft and removeable. So, I guess you got me on the fender flares, there.
I paid $20,500, so you beat me by $500. I think you either got lucky on a $20,000 R/T or you got a demonstrator model.
I'm not saying the 4.7 is better than the 5.9 (R/T or any other truck). I'm just saying that the R/T's are expensive (except for yours) and not that much faster.
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Mike
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
11:30:22
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So R/Truck,what did you buy your truck for?No I have never seen a Corvette pull a horse trailer around. Come to think about it,I have never seen a R/T pull a horse trailer around.You know,I have never seen a Corvette racing a R/T on a road coarse or drag strip for that matter.
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Bob
GenIII
11/07/2001
12:28:00
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Didn't mean to make any one mad with my comments on R/T's.I do like both trucks and I think both do a good job at what ever they do.Dakota's must be doing something wright,that thing they call a S10 is going to be the size of a Dak and I here Rangers well do the same.I would hate to get beat by a I6 270hp sh*t box S10.
If a pig loses its voice,is it disgruntled?
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
12:59:46
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Alex, I only have one vehicle. I sold my other car, Volvo S40. What a piece of junk even boosted to 14.7psi :). We can get away with only having one vehicle, I just pick her up and drop her off at work every day. So a stick in the truck wouldn't work too well. Don't get me wrong, she can drive a stick, she learned in my old KIA 5-speed, clutch was about gone when I traded it in. I don't know how she would do with V8 and stick. LOL
Plus I'm saving lots of money on not having two vehicles, insurance, loan, maintaince, gas, etc. Plus I get the whole garage too myself :) Now if I need a loaner car while I upgrade my R/T, I'll just ask my father in-law. He has three cars, well two now. My brother in-law wrecked his Boxter S 6-speed and totaled it a few weeks ago. Now that was a fun car!
http://home.kscable.com/s40/
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
13:11:50
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I didn't buy the truck to haul big stuff. I bought it because it looks cool and I can hual around some normal loads.
I never did discover this website until after I bought my truck (which I managed to get a 2001 R/T for under $20,000, which was to good to pass up). Had I known that the 4.7L was such a great engine, I might have shopped for one. But I stand by my choice, cause I like my truck.
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Mike
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
17:34:10
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Good answer R/Truck.
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PeTeR F.
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
20:32:21
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Hey now!!!! We all need to remember.....
Dakotas are Dakotas
We all drive the same trucks. We obviously like Dakotas, so why all the fighting. Yes I have a 4.7l but will never claim to be the fastest. I love my truck just ask my girlfriend. As far as 1/4 mile times some got lucky from the factory and some didnt.
P.S. I got lucky!!! (Kidding Just Kidding)
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
22:39:45
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The facts are that the 5.9 R/T is at an unfair disadvantage to the 4.7 5 speed 3.92. Answer this and only this. If you took a 5.9R/T and switched the engine to a 4.7 you would be no were neer the speed of a 5.9 equiped R/T. The only reason the 5.9 is in the R/T is to try to make up for the automatic tranny and the weight that is part of the R/T package. You can take it or leave it but thats it. Sure you put a 5 speed tranny in a R/T and good bye 4.7 but unfortuntly the 5.9 makes to much torque for the wimpy manual trannys chrysler puts on the 4.7.
I think that we should stop fighting and worry about all the chrysler engines. If chevy comes out with that I6 as bob said the 4.7 and 5.9 might just be things to beat at the track. I hate how chrysler allways misses 1 thing that makes us second. Like how we have a awsome 5.9 R/T but because they dont put a 5 speed in it, it hardly gets noticed.
4.7 guys dont hold your breath because the 5.7 hemi is just around the corner and then you will see what a fast truck is.
Duner for you to come here and compair your TWIN Turbo 4.7 to 5.9 is just childish. Sure if i had it, it would be a diffrent story but i dont so just stop making our trucks look like crap. Here I am running 15s thinking im good and then you come running on your high horse yelling out I GOT IN THE 12's. Just joking. I wish chrysler would sell your truck as a package called the R/T. I think that the R/T package is a sort of weak package that kind of disgraces R/Ts of the past with real performance.
5.0 stang. Personnaly for a mustang to have only beat a dakota by two tenths is kind of crappy. So are you going to call the engine in your car a POS. What if you lost, would your mustang all of a sudden suck and would you feel how stupid you were for buying a mustang. Dont bash the 5.9 because one day it will be in the tow truck hauling your broken down 5.0 to the dump.
Please No more 5.9 vs. 4.7
Just look in the past posts. Its been covered from every angle. If you really want proof go test drive them or go to a track.
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4.7 sausage
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
22:47:47
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My 4.7 dakota cooks dinner for me on tuesdays and fridays does your 5.9 do that!!
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T-BIRD
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
04:21:38
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YEAH BUT ITS AN ENJOYABLE TOPIC TO READ I USSUALLY GET A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF THE BASHINGS GIVIN OUT HERE BESIDES WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE DAKOTAS AND WHEN/IF THE 5.7 COMES IT MIGHT SAY BY BYE 5.9 ALSO.......
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jontoad
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
11:07:13
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i drove a 4.7 and a 5.9 to make my choice when i bought my truck. the r/t just felt like a muscle car from the past when i drove it. the torque was unbelieveable. the sound was awsome. the looks were great. when i drive my truck to a drive in cruise night it belongs. 70's muscle car guys respect it. it stands out. when i drove the 4.7 dont get me wrong it was a nice engine and pulled hard though the 5 speed. but the torque was just not there. and it felt like a work truck. the 5.9 is a total package. i would take a 5.9 quad cab over a 4.7 sport just because of the head snaping tire blazing torque. there is no substitute.
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
18:43:33
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4.7 and 5.9 have different peak power band, so off the line the 5.9 will probable have the lead, but eventually the 4.7 will catch up and keep up since it's power band in higher. I think Duner made a good decision to take advantage of the higher power band by using a turbo. Hmm maybe a supercharged turbo will solve the lack of low-end power in the 4.7?
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5.2L
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
20:06:33
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Ya'll are ALL wrong- the old 5.2L 318 is the one that really kicks ass. My STOCK 5.2 runs 14.8 on bad nights.....R/Ts are a complete waste of money- but I love my 4.7 little brothers. Get over it R/T guys- you wasted money and we smaller V8 guys will continue to rule the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
23:32:02
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Ya'll are ALL wrong- the old 5.2L 318 is the one that really kicks ass. My STOCK 5.2 runs 14.8 on bad nights.....R/Ts are a complete waste of money- but I love my 4.7 little brothers. Get over it R/T guys- you wasted money and we smaller V8 guys will continue to rule the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!! Oh boy, you told us!!!!! Man what was I thiking. I think I'm goin to go buy a bone stock 5.2L now just so I can have some performance!! HAHAHAHAHA I can't stop laughing. HAHAHAHA
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