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2001QC_RI
Dodge Dakota
9/22/2001
15:54:27
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Hello Everyone. My first time here.
Just Picked Up a 2001 DAK QC 4x4 4.7l A/t .
looking for advice on an air intake setup.
I have a cold air setup on my race car (87 GN)
but this mopar stuff is new to me. I have pretty much narrowed it down to the 360 dregreez setup or the z-tube kit. any opinions? pro/con on each?
thank you in advance,
Chris.
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jeff
Dodge Dakota
9/22/2001
17:55:02
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i custom made a cold air intake for my 4.7 dak and i have droped a half of second in my 1/4 mile times. i found that the stock intake does alot better with just a k&n filter charger replacement filter and taking off that plastic flap in the front between the grill and the radiator. also take off the crazy 90degree tube off the side of the air box
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
9/24/2001
03:58:15
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I have one of the 360airintakez.com intakes and it works great.
SinCity R/T
2001 Silver CC R/T
http://users.lvcm.com/stcr
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CyberWolf
Dodge Dakota
9/24/2001
10:20:43
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http://members.home.net/blhamm/coldair.htm
Check out this link. We are currently testing this TRUE cold air system for the 4.7. It should go into production in the next couple weeks.
Thanks,
Keith
www.g-forced.com
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BB2DAK
Dodge Dakota
9/24/2001
14:15:56
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I am working on an improved cold-air intake for
my 4.7l dakota. I have removed the stock airhat,
but I am using the standard filter box with a
K&N drop-in filter.
The two are connected by a Fernco 3" rubber elbow
about 6" of 3" PVC pipe painted black with
high-temp engine paint, and a Fernco 3"
rubber connector.
I also removed the rubber flap from the side of
the radiator to let in more cold air.
On my first tank of gas after making the changes
and resetting the PCM, mileage went up by 1 mpg
from 15.5 to 16.5 mpg
I am planning to contimue the modifications to
include a tube to run the cold air from the
grill directly to the factory air box.
I also plan to drill 2 small holes in the bottom
of the airbox for water drainage when driving
in the rain.
The total cost so far is approximately $17.00
(not including the K&N drop-in filter)
See the links below:
http://members.aol.com/bsbets/truck/intake1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bsbets/truck/intake2.jpg
2001 Quad Cab SLT+ 4.7L 5-Speed 3.55 Lslip
Garnet Red ARE Cap, ArmaCoat Sprayed in Bed-liner
K&N Drop-in w/modified intake
http://www.dodgedakota.net/albums/viewer/101.htm
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bluangeldak
Dodge Dakota
9/24/2001
16:08:27
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hey bb2dak, i see you took off that weird elbow at
the bottom of the box for air to come in??? what
did you put in its place...looks like another
rubber connector??? or did you put a screen or
something of the sorts in its place?? just
curious...i tried that before with the basicly
same set up but did not see much improvements...i
was also thinking of piping in some air from
another location to the bottom of the box....keep
us posted ok???
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dakdak
Dodge Dakota
9/26/2001
11:38:50
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Save money and get this from ebay. Works great and I get more power, sounds mean, and better mpg.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=595781177
2000 qc sport 4.7 4x4
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dodge man
Dodge Dakota
9/27/2001
00:39:15
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I have a 1995 dakota with a 5.2 and i was wondering which intake works best on that truck I installed a throttle body spacer and the k&n gen 1 filter does not fit or if just a k&n drop in would work fine.I am also installing a 3" gibson exhaust system.
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Will
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
09:34:48
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BB2DAK-
I am working on a similar system. I hesitate to remove the factory box and run a "cold air" filter because it might suck water easier (Anyone please comment on this). I go off road a lot, and I've blown the engine in my old Ranger by inhaling water.
I don't plan on sucking hot air from the engine compartment, so the box will draw directly from the top of the grill or from the factory location in the wheel well. I'm waiting on my G-Tech to arrive before doing the work so that I can test the results of modifying each end of the box. I'll let everyone know what I find. Currently I'm running a K&N drop-in and Flowmaster duals.
Will
2000 4.7 SLT CC 4x4 w/ 3.92 rear & limited slip
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
10:54:11
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I've been thinking along the same lines as you folk. I'm also waiting for the G-tech to come in (next week!). I've been looking at the box, the opening at the grill and the tube to the tb. Money is always an issue so I tried to find a way to increase flow at a minimum of cost. So this is what I got planned.
1.)Remove 90 degee snorkle from box, and rubber flap.
2.) Remove rubber tube and air hat.
3.) Grind all the baffles ot of the air box.
4.) Open up the front of the air box-with a rotory tool.
5.) Make a fiberglass funnel that will get sll the air comming from the hole where the flap was. (made a cardboard model-it'll fit behind the a/c lines)attach it to the air box with some of that epoxy cold weld suff. (if you ever owned a beater you know what I'm talking about)
6.)get some flexible tubing to run from tb to air box. (although getting a muffler shop to custom bend some pipe for you-sounds good)
7.) drop in a K&N air filter and see what it will do.
With the G-tech I'm planning to get numbers: stock, without snorkle and flap, with the K&N, then with the funnel/tube and whole shebang.
I figure that if I have the air comming in from as large a surface area as possible and try to make the trip to the tb as smooth as possible AND use the the aiir box and funnel deal as a Ram/Cold air box. It just might pay off. What do you folks think?
If it doesn't....I'll Chuck the whole thing and get a Z-tube.
Q
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Will
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
23:55:05
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Dr Q
I have a 4" Ferco connector on the front of my box which looks like a giant funnel leading into the box. Funnel is currently sheilded by a piece of metal which extends beyond the fan guard. A superior box is in the works if this setup shows promise. I got my G-Tech this afternoon. I'll be testing stuff soon. I need to get my truck weighed in order to have an accurate HP meas. I'll do some 0-60 runs in the morning. I also think stop watch WOT roll ups from say 30 to 60 mph in 3rd or 4th gear should be telling as well.
--Will
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Lesley
GenIII
9/29/2001
00:36:01
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Q, could you post pics on completion?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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Lesley
GenIII
9/29/2001
00:39:24
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Oops - forgot this part - I just ordered a Quick D cold air intake, polished steel & a 9" K&N filter. It attaches to the existing TB hat, but uses an S bolt that apparently doesn't block air flow like the stock one does. I'll let you know when I get it installed.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
01:15:19
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I got the Idea for the funnel during a casting workshop. I'm gonna try to get a hold of some hot pink casting material. I got some cardboard and just started trimming away until it fit.
I should get the g-tech by next week. I gave my wife the telephone number and web address, and credit card. Sheesh I shoulda just gotten it myself-my B-day was last week!
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Lesley
GenIII
9/29/2001
09:41:34
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Happy Belated B-day!
Has anyone noticed the number of K&N FIPK (usually mopar sticker) on ebay? I've read that there has been a real problem lately with them cracking where they connect to the TB, and that K&N has had to replace them. Apparently folks are selling the cracked ones on ebay from what I've read. I wanted to go K&N, but they are incredibly expensive here ($460).The QuickD is similar in style and price to the 360 AirIntakez but I liked the polished steel look of the QuickD. Q, wouldn't the mandrel bent steel be a better bet than the flexible hose, everything that I've read says that the more streamlined the intake, with less joins, the less turbulence. It's interesting that you're keeping the box... how come? Also, what is the G-tech?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
10:53:31
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Gracias Lesley,
The G-tech is this really cool (I'm slipping into geek mode) accellerometer. It measures 0-60 times, 1/4 mile time and speed, 60-0 breaking and lateral g-force. It mesures your accelleration against the constant acceleration of gravity. Anyways I hear its actually more acurate than the traps at most strips and since I don't have a strip within 300 miles, I figure for $139.95. It could just be the source for some amusement. Since, I really curious which of these here mods work and don't, and in which combination. I mean along with spinning great tales this is a performance page (Yea!)
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Will
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
14:22:02
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Run #1:
Removed rubber peice next to radiator, removed 90 degree elbow from front of air box going to wheel well, and attached funnel like object to front of box which was shielded from radiator heat. Used K&N drop in. Stock Airhat and stock tube going to airhat.
Note: my 0-60 test area has a slight uphill to it up to about 50 mph. Not good for low times, but good for the sake of comparison
0-60: 10.2, 9.6, and 9.93
#2
Replaced stock parts. K&N drop in as only intake mod.
0-60: 9.65, 10.08, 9.5
#3
Modified from box to Throttlebody. Removed stock air hat and tube leading to it. Replaced with Fernco rubber 90 degree bend to TB and PVC tube to box. Elbow in front of box left in place. Reset PCM.
0-60: 9.87, 9.72, 9.56
There doesn't appear to be any material difference, and the truck ran better stock than with the elbow on the front of the box removed. I'll probably put the funnel back on the front of the box just to cover all the bases, but these little mods don't seem to be worth the time or the hassle.
2000 SLT 4.7 CC 4x4 5 speed w/ 3.92
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Lesley
GenIII
9/30/2001
18:35:48
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Why don't you try removing the box?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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Will
Dodge Dakota
10/01/2001
16:07:37
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I thought I'd test some ideas other people here have done. I'm also worried about a cold air system sucking water easier than the stock sytem.
--Will
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Lesley
GenIII
10/01/2001
16:30:17
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Will, here is a pic of mine:
http://www.quickd.com/images/intake.jpg
If you do a search on this site under "Bakerman" you will find a post called "New Mod - tell me what you think". There is an awful lot of really good information from everyone in this thread on homemade intakes. Here is a pic of Bakerman's, it's for the 4.7.
ttp://www.alltel.net/~bdbake01/truckeng2b.jpg
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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Will
Dodge Dakota
10/01/2001
21:49:55
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Thanks for the links. I basically did the same thing except I worked around the stock 4.7 box. Several other people here have worked around the stock box. HawkEye cuts holes in his and so did another guy, but I haven't seen anyone else with numbers...It truely makes a different sound without the stock airhat, but the numbers aren't lyning. I guess I'll have to replace the box to get some decent results. Those who have removed the elbow infront of box...my 2 cents: put it back.
Oh! I weighed my SLT CC 4x4 today. Curb Weight = 4360 pounds with about 3 gallons of gas and no driver. I also have the heavy duty package, tow package, and 1800 payload kit.
Lesley: Wouldn't both the above systems run better with a partition blocking the hot air being pulled through the radiator?
--Will
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Lesley
GenIII
10/01/2001
22:53:13
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What's desireable is for cold air to be drawn through the tip of the filter, so the further away from the engine, the colder the air intake (in my understanding). A lot of them have heat shields, some are boxed in (volant), and the ones constructed from pvc (K&N, Mopar, home-made) don't conduct heat. I'm certainly no expert, there is a lot of information out there on intakes, some of it conflicting, but I agree with you on replacing the box. What I've read is that the more streamlined the intake, the less resulting turbulence. If you read the post by Bakerman, there are a lot of people on there who know a lot more about this than I do.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black
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