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Ripper3785 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 03:19:27	Subject: RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: Turbofreak: Here's my $.02.... The Toyota Supra, when modified, can be one of the fastest cars on the road.... I personally know Jarrett at Powerhouse Racing in Rusk,Texas and he has one with 1300+rwhp. Jarrett owes me an e-mail regarding some fuel injectors... if you see him or talk to him in the next couple of days, tell him to get back to the guy about the 330cc injectors. The National Supra Event was this past weekend in Houston, that must've been badass. Pretty damn weird that you mention his name when I've gotten a couple of emails from him last week. As far as your Hemi comment, since the Hemi isn't in any current production model vehicle, I don't really give a rip about the hp/liter ratio. We're talking about modern engines that meet current EPA standards, not engines that were originally designed 30 years ago, pollute the earth, and suck gas. Yes, The Hemi was all that in it's time, but this is 2002. Ripper
DakGuy Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 10:06:46	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: First if all let me say that Toyotas are among the best on the road when it come to reliability, anyone that argues that needs to do some research before they post. I have raced a supercharged Tacoma TRD Pre-Runner (looks like a 4X4 but only 2wd). Granted the S-runner should be faster because it has smaller tires and less weight, but it would have to be at lot faster because I put 5-6 links on that guy and missed 2nd gear. You guys are blowing this out of proportion just like the Lightning, make no mistake they are both fast but not udefeatable. i've also ran the new Lightning and without the Nitrous they pull a LITTLE bit, for a SUPERCHARGED Truck I'm not real impressed. P.S. I'm going to find one and smoke it to put this to rest............to be continued..........
xplikt Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 10:37:57	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: chris4x4, why did I say that? Because when someone invites you to come down for a race, when you would probably have to drive a ways -- for me, A LONG ways -- they sure as hell better be very welcoming. Why would I go somewhere to race when I'd just be racing a jerk. I'd rather find someone I could go cruzing with and would show me around their area. Ripper3785, I am actually going down to Missoula hopefully next week (spring break) to have true duals put on! There is also an RT guy on this board who lives in that area... Catherine! Haha, ummm...yeah, I know who she is, LOL -- small world eh? -- but she's in the other office and I don't see many of the people over there much. Havn't spoken to her much, real nice girl though. Autobahn, hardly, we do not have our reasonable and prudent laws anymore -- havn't for a while! I wish we still did, I was only driving for a couple months when it was abolished. But sure, since you know Catherine, it'll make it REAL easy for you to come meet me and even race. Next time you're up here, ask her where Mike's at.
xplikt Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 11:19:53	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: JBTRD00, the Toyota dealers in my area were just as much weasels as the Dodge ones were. I had fun toying with them, but in the end I went with Dave Smith Motors, the largest Dodge dealer in the US located in Kellog, ID; they do not haggle, they give you invoice and all the rebates straight out, so does another very large Dodge dealership located in Ronan, MT. There is no haggling there either, they get your vehicle, in perfect cond. For the price you want. This was a huge deciding factor for me. Those bastards were all over me when I came in with our family’s 90’ 4 Runner in almost perfect condition (nothing’s broken but the door locks, they’re POS anyways, and it needs a MAJOR tune up, but has been a real good vehicle). I used to like to drive around at dealerships and stop and have them follow me t Also, maybe you can answer this since you all are here, what the hell is up with the Tacomas in Regular Cabs not being able to get the largest engine available; the Tacoma doesn’t get the V6 and the Tundra doesn’t get the V8 – unless it was like a 4x4 I think. The people at the dealership had no idea when I asked them…
Yunaderis Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 12:13:06	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: hey xplikt you can get a v6 in the extra cabs. just not in the reg cabs anymore..they stopped doing that in 96 i think..the tundra is the same thing...you have to have the extra cab to get the v8....4x2 or 4x4 doesnt matter..jsut have to have the extra cab... this post has become a bit old...but it has been fun.,...... like i said, if there is anyone in the bay area, i am willing to run against them..i havent raced a dakota yet... thanks for the fun
MichaelJackso Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 14:32:22	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: << I even considered a Subaru WRX before I test drove one and found it cheap, noisy, and terrribly weak with two other passengers... I know a stock DaK' could whip it... >> Ok so apparently, you do not really know that much, or you cannot drive a vehicle worth a $hit, now that you brought up the WRX, I can say you honestly do not know how to drive one -- I have one and I know for damn sure that that car would stop the $hit out of a stock 4.7, or maybe even the stock R/T for that matter, That car has a hell of a lot of power for a 4-banger, My friend just got his about 2 months ago, and the only thing that he has done is a slight airbox modification, and we pulled up next to a porsche Carrera 4s, and we kept up with him all the way to 90, when the Porsche slowly pulled away, if you look at the specs, Porsche engine makes 115 HP per liter, and the WRX is 114 per liter, sorry but your dakota would not hang, like I said before, I like Dakotas, and I like Tacomas too, but when you come up talking Bull$hit like that, that is what adds fuel to a burning fire, that is just complete ignorance.
TheAverage Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 15:20:59	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: Oh f'in great.... now it's Subaru WRX war as well... >>that is just complete ignorance.<< You've got that right... Does anyone in here drive an Indy car? I bet there are some Taco, Dak, and Subaru ppl in here that would race you. The next person to post a reply on this message thread should be taken out back and shot for continuing something so f'in stupid... for that matter the person that started it should be put down as well for sparking a fire with a bunch of people who shouldn't be at "dodgedakotas.com" in the first place. Maybe to be able to talk here at DodgeDakotas.com there should be some kind of policy where to be able to post here you would have to: Fax/email: 1. Photo ID 2. Vehicle Registration papers 3. Even proof of insurance? ;) --== The End ==--
DakotaTacoma Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 16:09:56	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: This Race was supposed to happen 6 months ago, first post was 9/2/01.... So what the hell hapened, Justin? Did you win? or did the Taco? My guess is that the Taco did, which is why you NEVER bragged about winning.
xplikt Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 16:19:32	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: That's a damn good question. Actually, you all will find that many of the Dakota owners here really like the WRX. I know Hersbird and I do, we're both up here in Montana and have seen it in hard conditions.
gottemboth Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 19:54:51	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: The Dak is a great truck that combines the best of performance and big truck strength. Ideal for loading up and taking anywhere, and having fun doing it, not like driving a tractor trailer. BUT, my WRX will kill it! Every time, whether I rev at the start, miss a gear, full of gas, or driving my wife...no question about it. Unless Im carrying four adults and full of gas (in which case I would take the Dak anyways), the Dak would only be close if I was toying with it, or trying to win without looking like we're racing. If you drive a Dak, enjoy whipping $25K+ trucks, not AWD imports. They are apples and oranges, but both sweet.
Hersbird Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 20:26:15	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: hey little Toyota ricers, the supercharged S runner is not stock. It is a dealer installed part from Toyota's in house aftermarket. Can you say Mopar Performance? The stuff in the MP catalog can be installed and warrantied by the dealer as well, so I guess a 406 R/T with big valve aluminum heads, the cam, intake, headers, exhaust, high stall converter, PCM, and 1.7 rockers is "stock" too in your book. Even a real stock R/T will be the dealer modified S runner, give the Dodge dealer the same deal and the Toyota is just plain toast. I can't believe how you Tacoma guys are so sensitive about this topic you would all come over here in force to wine about it. Toyotas are mildly more reliable at best then the Dodge and that is the only thing they got going for them. But if you consider they cost twice as much to repair the added reliability is more then offset. You don't have to come all the way up here to race me, just take it to the track and post some times. Sure there are some fast modified Tacomas, but stock they are not as fast as any V-8 Dakota, and even modified they are not even close to the fastest Dakotas.
JBTRD00 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 21:34:10	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: Ok then hick... everything you just said there is Bull in my book.... tacomas are way more off-road worthy than any dakota will ever be, or ever has been.. and when you think about it, a dodge has a 4.7 V8 and it's that much slower than a 3.4 v6... dakotas are weak! even with the "super fly" 5.9 R/T you guys would barely beat a S-runner... being thay both vehicles are stock, yea.. those dodges are real power houses... haha
chris4x4 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 21:59:21	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: I have a friend that has a reg cab dakota r/t with the 5.9 and a blower and his best at the track is a 12.2 1/4 mile. Thats with slicks. I can smoke him off-road though!.....j/k.....Id like to go wheelin with some of the 4x4 guys here. Not to prove anything, but just to have some fun.....why cant we all get along???
Hersbird Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 23:29:59	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: What a great name that TRD thing is! Tha only thing that every comes to mind is TuRD, it's so fitting!
JBTRD00 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2002 23:48:59	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: yea... Tacomas are really "TuRDy" when they can kick any dodges ass... so whats that make the dakota... Diarrhea that lasts all week? yea, that sounds about right...
Duner Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/27/2002 00:17:36	Say Goodnight..... IP: Logged Message: OK Toyota guys..... Please give us the url for your normal hangout online. We all want to come over and stink up your end of the internet like you have ours. I mean, that only sounds fair to me. I understand that you came here because you thought somebody was talking trash about your ride..... but give it a rest already! For the record this is my last post in this thread. If the rest of the Dakota guys do the same - then the Toyota guys will just be talking to themselves. That won't be much fun for them and they will just go away.
Turbofreak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/27/2002 00:38:48	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: I Know a guy with a Turbo FWD DODGE Shadow that could whip the living crap out of just about any WRX it came up to.... but that is not a Dakota related statement... but neither is what follows exactly... YOu must remember... I really like the WRX also, but I am not about to take my thumb and insert it square up my butt to say that I paid $25K for a detuned version of a car that sells in Europe for $16K USD(and has been there for almost 10 years). THEY ARE COMING OUT WITH THE STI, but it will be at least another year or so and will be about $34,000. For a 276HP AWD car. VERY COOL, BUt it is too DANG expensive!!! If I am going to Pay $35K for anything, I will go to a Chevy dealer and buy a car with an LS1, install a N20 kit and about $3K worth of Bolt ons and go High 10's on the street. END OF DISCUSSION. But it wouldn't pull a trailer very safely... which is what led me to buy a DODGE Dakota. Decent price, Good Build, V8 ( I know it is not as good as it could be, but it will get there), Not too big, and not a compact truck. I ask readers of this post to take it with a grain of salt... I know what I say is harsh in some ways, but it is the real truth in this very real world of DOllar per HP. I like forced induction. I think every vehicle made should have at least one Turbo on it (hence my name)just for efficiency sake. If you can get a 4 cylinder to do the work of a V6 or L6 or even a small v8, why not. If you can get a V6 to make power like a mid-size V8, why not? If you can get a small V8 to make power like a HUGE ONE, why not? Because the world is run by people who just do enough to get by. Especially automobile companies. Every engine should have variable electronic solenoid controlled valve openings and at least 4 valves per cylinder. Every engine should come with Forged pistons, strong Forged rods and a good cast crank or a forged one. Blocks should be thick enough not to split down the middle or need aftermarket girdles for the mains (any Ford 302 guys in here--hehe). Engines should be made to run at 25-30 PSI of boost all the time. You know why they don't? Because not enough people demand it. The same reason why Computers are having such an explosive pattern of improvement and nothing else is really following. The Computer industry is completely fueled by consumers needs and wishes and competitiveness in the marketplace for a better product. Cars have basically remained the same for the past 40 or so years. The only real advancement in automobiles?....COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!! There have been 4 valve heads since way back when (in the early 20's or before--don't quote me and say I am stupid for not knowing exactly), but many racing Model T and A engines had conversions done to them to make them OHV and some DOHV. Turbos have been around pretty strong since the mid 50s, but only recently (the last 15 or so years) have auto companies outfitted any vehicles with them. The reason; no good way to control the engine until a good enough computer came along. I will have to give the Buick V6 Turbo Regals and GN's some props here. No one on the list can deny their power. But the cars themselves weren't much to talk about as far as perfect quality goes.. This is where the Japanese come in and have always been doing. For the most part, Japanese are not inovators, they improve on older ideas and perfect quality to a new level. HP per liter is impressive on my friends 2000 Honda Prelude, but it only runs mid 15's and cost $25,000. Why doesn't Honda Put a Turbo on a factory vehicle? Hell, how many people in the aftermarket does it take making turbo kits for them to wake up and smell the boost? Japanese are stubborn. Their way is best, screw everyone else, that is what they are telling me. Dodge is doing some different stuff, and I like many of their ideas (Srt-10 truck...drool), Razor and Crossfire.... Watch out Imports when the Razor hits the streets... If it gets wider tires in the back.. :) Sorry about the endless rant, but I am just going to say this.... We are all Americans (sorry to those from Canada- I consider you my brethren also)as far as I know, and we are given the right to choose between what type of vehicle we buy and use for what purpose best suits our needs. It is our right to wish things that might not necessarily be true just because we like something more than something else. Hell, how many women do you guys know (sorry if there are any women on the board offended by this, but you will probably be able to relate to someone you know) who buy a car just because of the color? Lots if you are like me. But I am about more than a color. I am about individuality that I feel a vehicle projects about it's owner. Obviously, if you are driving a Dakota, or a HotTaco, or a WRX, or a Supra, or whatever kind of special vehicle you may have, you have decided not to fall in with the sheep, but to be a wolf, the symbol of freedom and spirit. Thanks for not flaming me or being harsh and obnoxious; I appreciate everyone's views, and I hope that you respect mine also. This is all I can say about this thread... Sincerely, Ryan
TheAverage Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/27/2002 01:44:51	---=== The End ===--- IP: Logged Message: Nicely put... Everyone needs to move on now. I think this thread has worn itself out. Would everyone be kind enough to shut this thread down by no longer posting replies to it? Put it out of its misery. Thanks in advance... J'
Mazda Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/18/2002 13:55:49	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: I hate mazda's and i hate ugly girls
D Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/18/2002 18:08:52	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: damn it! going to the track tonight with my brother in law...He just called me to let me know that the TRD supercharger is on! a blown s-runner to compete with, thats all I need! D 01/4.7/mods/DJMdrop3-6
xplikt Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/18/2002 18:53:48	RE: 4.7 vs Tacoma IP: Logged Message: Heh, just put a turbo on your 4.7...now, if only it wasn't being made last cough cough wink
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