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Insane
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Im not trying to say that dakotas are pos's or anything but show the taco some respect i drive a 99 tacoma s/c'd with headers and a catback with a couple of boost mods and i have smoked more than my share of domestics and other imports not trying to flame or anything.
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Ripper3785
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>This is a DODGE DAKOTA website.
Yes, it is. So I'm not gonna talk trash about Dakotas.
>If you want to talk about tacos then you should go to a taco site.
You guys are talking about Tacos on a Dakota site. If what you guys are saying is untrue, what's the harm in us correcting you? Scared of a little bit of reality?
>Toyotas are assembled in the US to get around taxation.
>95% of the manufacturing and parts come from Japan.
What's your source on that? Pretty sure your wrong.. Step 1 - Open mouth, Step 2 - Insert Foot.
>300 hp at the crank and losing a bunch of it before it gets to the wheels?
>You must be talking about GMs marketing >strategy.
If you say so.
>Oh, and that old hp per liter thing.......... typical fuking riceburner mentality.
This comment speaks tons about YOUR mentality. Fact is, the old hp per liter thing is import engineers putting their money where their mouth is instead of putting their heads up their asses.
>I personally like Toyotas, but you Toyota lovers are total A-holes!
Uhh... Ohhhhkay. Enjoy your Dakota, I'll see you at the track.
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MichaelJackso
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>>>>Wow, if the v6 dakota came stock with a super charger and locker like the trd tacos do, then it may be some competition. Just because the taco is faster doont make it better. Hell, why not drive a pro street dragster, its fast! I drive my dodge because its fast, its strong, its got a v8 that has been around a hell of alot longer than some tin can toyota, its not a chevy, ford or some import(name), its a dodge. the end!<<<<
OK I am not going to flame any fires, But yes I am a Tacoma owner, and I also looked at the Dakota R/T when I was looking for a truck. I have had both american and Japanese vehicles, and I can say that the Japanese cars are for the most part more reliable than the American cars. Now for the assumption that the Tacoma comes stock with a Supercharger, WRONG!!!!! The TRD supercharger is a bolt on accessory, like any supercharger for Dodge engines. I hate to say I have raced a Dodge Dakota R/T and I was by far not impressed, Yes I do have a Toyota Tacoma, and yes it is supercharged, and it has headers and exhaust, yet the price tag still did not equal the R/T, The assumption that displacement = HP, is totally ridiculous. that is why I can with my 4x4 Tacoma, beat a R/T, yes I said beat it, not by much but it is a a win, no matter how you look at it, Trust me I like both trucks, they are both very good looking vehicles, but I am sold on my Taco, Now understand I am a Dodge Viper lover, and I am loyal to that, and I am seriously looking at the SRT 10 when it is released -- so to each his own.
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toyota77
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>>>>This comment speaks tons about YOUR mentality. Fact is, the old hp per liter thing is import engineers putting their money where their mouth is instead of putting their heads up their asses. <<<<
This has got to be my favorit statement!..lol.. Problem is American car makers have been saleing the same old crap with new pretty add on's.. They finally change a few things a couple years ago and still can't get it right!
This is how it is like it or hate it! American Car companys apeal to the socker moms and wusses of america Ford F250-350 is not included in this blancket statement! still a real truck! to bad it falls apart.
Dodge, chevy and ford all make things with as much fluff as they can stuff under the hood under the seats and under the roof.. There cars/trucks are for people who don't care about quality or reliablity there for the fluff fluff market with there seat warmers and leather seats..They advertise them with HP and new gadgets.
Toyota likes to keep things ruff and tuff no fluff! They build things to last not to have you back in the dealer in three years..
Where do I get my a-hole view? 7 years of car mechanic I have worked on BMW's MB, Vw, Ford Dodge, I also have a ton of friends with every make avaible.. I have met people with Chevys and fords who have had no problems after 100,000-200,000 miles and still running great I have never in 24 years herd of a dodge new or old with out having problems..
I have owned, 1 ford ranger 2 tacoma trucks 1 4runner 1 tundra, one suzuki samuri and one dodge 360 motor home.
Everyone keeps asking why were coming over here and bugging you, well we just wanted to state the facts if you can't handle the truth then you should have asked for it..
For all you from this board who have kept your statements truthfull this was not aimed at you! It was aimed at the thick skull red necks who still think it's 1960 and have rebel flags on there pickumtrucks!
Good day dodge people! See you in a couple years..lol
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QUADMAN
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Hey there headupas!! How are you? I worked for toyota for three years 96-99 so don't go spewing your crap here! Yota's are not what they used to be. I have worked for ford toyota chevy and dodge and they are all about equal in reliability problems. They all have their flaws! Hey turbo boy, hook that taco up to my quad so I can pull the beef out of it!
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Truckboy
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I love the comment about the auto having an advantage over a stick. Whens the last time you saw a true sports car or race car with an auto? The viper sure as hell doesn't have one. An atuo transmision gives you an aditional rear wheel powerloss of 8%-10% untill the tourqe converter locks up, then it's equal. Unless the person with the stick can't drive it they have the advantage.
Also, the TRD package on the tacoma does not add any additional power. It does however come with a 4.10 rear end, big advantage off the line.
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TheAverage
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Doesn't matter... most of come here because happen to own Dakota's. That's why we come here... or it's at least why I do. It's really ridiculous to come in here to see that Toyota, Ford Lightning, Ford Pinto, Honda, Porsche... or whatever else someone might have... whats to talk about that vehicle instead of a Dakota. I personally own a `99 Dak R/T CC, `55 Chevy Belair, & a `01 Ford Escort. Do I come here to tell everyone about my other vehicles? Hell no. If I owned a Toyota Tacoma I wouldn't rave about it here. My grand dad happens to have one. No it's not supercharged, and yes it is a well made pickup. He gives it hell every day. I also give my R/T pure hell everyday. Whether I'm driving to work or have a load of furniture for someone... my foot is all up in it... get there as soon as possible. That's how I drive and amazingly I don't get pulled over. Pure luck. My `55 generally does 11.8 in the 1/4. Does your Tacoma? Your Motorhome? My own Dodge dakota R/T? The answer is NO. Will my R/T or your Tacoma ever hit 11.8 in the 1/4? Maybe... anything is possible with time & money.
I come here to read what others have posted about the mods they have made to their Dakota or mods he/she plans on making. So far I have cermaic coated headers, custom y-pipe, high-flow cat, series 40 flow, Jet Stage II, 180degree thermo. and a K&N. Currently I have been coming here to read up on the experiences of those individuals that have done the M1 intake and 1.7RR's.
A Corvette ZO6, Dodge Viper, BMW //M5, Porsche 911 Twin Turbo... they are all amazing vehicles that haul ass. I'd love to own 3 of each.
Could we please drop the Tacoma's? Give me your number.... If I ever purchase one I'd like to call you up so that I could be better educated on them. Do any of you want to know the limits of their Tacoma? What it can or can't do? I can get you in touch with my grand dad... he could fill you full of stories.
It's time to leave work now... I wonder if I'll get a ticket now that said how lucky I've been. [[Knock on wood]]
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xplikt
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Yunaderis, that race would be hard to do, I am in Kalispell, MT. But please feel free to come and visit this beautiful part of the country! Unlike you, I am very hospitable to my guests. I would show you Glacier National Park or if in the winter take you skiin'/boardin'. If you are going to invite people to your area, you can at least be a good host treat them with dignity. Talk smack behind my computer, I am behind a computer more than I sleep, it's my job, but I'll be more than happy to treat my guests with respect -- if they drive a Dakota or not.
"xplikt...bring it..thats all i am saying..i am asking you to bring your dakota buddies and lets race..is that hard to do? or would you rather talk smack at your desk and not show up?
lets race...."
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xplikt
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toyota77, why do you bother to come here (I meant that in a friendly tone :). This is not a "should I buy a.." forum, but rahter, a Dodge Dakota forum. I don't know how many people's minds you hope to change, but I doubt any will. I know you may think you are on some kind of crusade, but what you are doing if just spamming this forum:
'Everyone keeps asking why were coming over here and bugging you, well we just wanted to state the facts if you can't handle the truth then you should have asked for it.. '
Why must you make your presence clear and start arguements just for the "sake of"; obviously, you think you are right, why should that redneck think he is wrong?
I do like your opinions however, howelse would this particular post be a "4.7L vs Tacoma", if there are no speakers for the Tacoma!
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chris4x4
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This is for xplikt..."Unlike you, Im very hospitable to my guests." Now what would make you give a comment like that? You dont even know the guy.(all) Anyway, Im in Phoenix and Id like to race a dodge. I have a reg. cab. 2.7 four cylinder 4x4 tacoma, and Ive beat a ext. cab Dacota 4x4 that had a 4.7 in it. Also beat him off-road too. Keep in mind that Im up for a safe race and Im pretty sure Id win....hey, If I lose, I got beat by 4 more pistons, but if I win........
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Ripper3785
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>>>>I do like your opinions however, howelse would this particular post be a "4.7L vs Tacoma", if there are no speakers for the Tacoma!<<<<
I agree with you there man. Appreciate you not getting all upset about us posting our *opinions*. Gotta have two sides to a discussion.
Kalispell is cool bro. My sis lives in Missoula and I know a girl named Catherine(Cathy) who lives up in Kalispell and happens to be sitting behind a computer all day everyday at work too. Do you happen to work for an ISP?
BTW, Yunaderis isn't mean or unhospitable. He's just sort of a no holds barred kind of a guy. He'd rather go out to the track to settle something than argue over it. Although I'm still a little miffed that he decided not to sell me his supercharger. haha... I've got one now anyway, that's all that matters.
Maybe next time I'm up in MT you can show me how fast your Dakota is on the infamous MT autobahn. LOL
Ripper
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Duner
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How fast is a Tacoma S-Runner supposed to be?
A buddy of mine just happened to send me a nice video of me racing a Supercharged Tacoma with my 4.7 Dakota at the Truckin' Nationals. The announcer was talking the guys truck up everytime he went to the line. (you can even hear some of it in the video) It took some jockeying but I got a chance to line up against him. ;>)
I have the timeslip right here in front of me from the run. I guess I must have spooked the guy a little bit.... he redlighted badly. That made the race look closer on the video than it was on the timeslip. The Toyota ran pretty good!.... a 14.64 @ 92.65 mph.
http://members.cox.net/duner/Turbo/DustingToyota1389.MOV
Be warned that this movie is 3.5 megs! You guys on a dial-up will probably be cussing before it finished downloading, but if you're on a quicker connection it's a decent video. My truck ended up running about a second quicker than this video shows by the time the weekend was over. It was the first day at the track with the new turbo system, so some dialing in was necessary. That is a good running Toyota.... but not THAT good! hahaha
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JBTRD00
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You dakota guys (some of you) are complete fools... you think a dodge is better built and engineered over a toyota?! wow, hearing that makes me roll on the floor laughing... heres a run down of it all, we as Tacoma owners (and toyota owners) are proud of our trucks and myself especially will not tolerate this ignorance you guys have spoken like our trucks our "tin cans" when they are certainly not.... you guys need to stop thinking "AMERICAN is the only way to go!" cause it's not anymore, and hasn't been since the '80s... and to whoever said the thing about HP to liter and how it is dumb.. go talk to BMW, i work at a BMW dealer and the M3 is advertised as 100 hp per liter... this is amazing in many ways... and using that kind of measurment is in no way dumb... and to whoever said toyotas are worst than they used to be, your mistaken... when i used to close my door (yes, close my door) on my '89 toy it took some might i admit, on my 2000 taco when i do the same "test" it is as solid as a BMW door, trust me.. i know... like Yundaris and other TTORA members here have said.. bring your dakota buddies over and we'll have some fun... honest to god there will be a lot of burnt dakota the day that happens, if you'd like to see some proof, take a look at this page... this proves our point of what a Tacoma is made of.. later
DL TACOMA Video here(s-runner vs. modded firebird):
http://www.customtacos.com/gallery/multimedia/
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QUADMAN
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JBTURD or whatever your name is, you must be smoking crack! i thought we were talking stock vehicles at first but then you throw the modded stuff in. You are an idiot! The only way a modded yota can beat a modded r/t is if you do a motor swap in the yota! You really must be kidding! Do you really think that if you throw the same amount of money at both the trucks that the yota will win? Hahahahahahahahaha! I bet you can't even find a yota to beat bernd's v-6!
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QUADMAN
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GO BURN RICE SOMEWHERE ELSE! THE WOK IS EMPTY HERE!
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Yaaaabuddy03
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I'm gunna shoot out an opinion here,.... I think the Tacoma's are not that bad looking,... but they are small... the doors are like 2 inches thinner than the Dakota Doors,... think about it fellas thinner is weaker,... duh!!!!!!! I have a Dakota and it suits me better than a pus little tacoma would,... if I had to choose a Toyota,... I would choose the Tundra,... #1 they're better looking by far,... #2 V8,... need I say more?,... and #3 much safer than tinomas.
Peace,
Dakota Busta
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JBTRD00
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Hey Quadman... when did i ever discuss a "R/T"? i prefer not to listen to people who talk out of their ass so i'll ignore you from now on, thank you...
and you wonder why they call them dodges.. cause if a Dodge Saleperson came up to me and started to see if i was interested in purchasing a Chrysler POS i would definetly "DODGE" him indeed...
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hold on hold on hold on...I am pure dakota fan
but check this link out, click on the image
tacoma s-runner supercharged, otherwise
stock vs. modded V8 firebird.
http://www.customtacos.com/gallery/
multimedia/
my brothers s-runner(not supercharged) runs
about even with me...my paxton fund is
growing fast though!
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JBTRD00
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thats the vid i told you guys about... go and take a look there... don't be shy
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Duner
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I tried checking out the S-runner vs firebird vid but my system said it was lacking some sort of resource. Has anybody checked out the vid I posted? Does it work for you?
http://members.cox.net/duner/Turbo/DustingToyota1389.MOV
if not, how about this one of me getting my tail whipped by a buddy of mine in his RT.
http://members.cox.net/duner/Turbo/Scott1252Duner1343.avi
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ptran4
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hey yaaabuddy3
check out how safe Dakotas are and then talk some mess
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_smpickup.htm
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QUADMAN
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Hey JBTURD they call them dodge cause thats what you have to do when you see us coming in your rear view!
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NoDak
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take-off you freaking riceboys!
It's obvious that the Dakota is gonna be the heaviest small pickup in the tests, so it will obviously do the worst against a stationery object. Now if you run a Dakota head-on into a Tacoma at any speed at all - which guy do you honestly think will be walking away?
The freaking taco would end up looking more like a messy tostada! Beans and sauce all over the place!
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QUADMAN
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Why wouldn't you be comparing to the r/t? You wanna use yotas top of the line crap but not dodge? Just like yotas camparison charts, they compare their top quad v6 against a dodge quad v6 and thats bull! Dodge's top of the line isn't a v6.
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JBTRD00
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yea QUADGAYguy.. i would get out of the way if a dodge was coming behind me, and pull over to the side of the road and start puking cause they are so f*cking ugly...
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JBTRD00
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hahaha.. rear view mirror, sounds like just the place for the dodge to be while im in my tacoma!
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Duner
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Bring it, don't sing it!
I haven't heard any comment about Smokin' the Toyota yet......
How fast is a S-Runner SUPPOSED to be?
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Turbofreak
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Here's my $.02.... The Toyota Supra, when modified, can be one of the fastest cars on the road.... I personally know Jarrett at Powerhouse Racing in Rusk,Texas and he has one with 1300+rwhp. The Tacoma trucks are OK in my eyes but nothing to brag about. If you want to brag, let Toyota build a Turbo engine for their precious Tacoma, something to talk about. Till then, Toyota has no performance legs to stand on besides the Supra. DODGE HAS THE HEMI. How do you like this figure for HP/liter... The Race Hemi is about 9 liters (500c.i.) and makes well over 1300 hp. When Toyota comes out with something that can make over 300hp n/a, let's chat, till then, remember that our Dakotas are better looking, better priced, and most importantly, have a bigger engine bay to make room for an engine that could bust ass on about anything that could come along. I am a first-time new car-buyer with my Dakota, and to tell the truth, I even considered a Subaru WRX before I test drove one and found it cheap, noisy, and terrribly weak with two other passengers... I know a stock DaK' could whip it... But mainly, it was nothing more than a $15,000 honduh civic with a turbo on it...maybe not even as good... so badly detuned, and parts are way too high...
If most people knew how Honda and Toyota still thought about Americans, you probably wouldn't spend any of your hard earned cash on them....
That might be worth $.04..... :)
P.S.- No flames or name calling here, just the honest, blunt truth, or at least, my strong opinion....
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QUADMAN
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I have a 2001 quad with the 4.7 auto, 3.55 LSD rear, flowmaster exhaust, K&N dropin, and ride on 33x12.50 mtr's. There is a guy here in town that has a yota quad with the v6 and he is also running 33's. We kicked our trucks on the highway and from a 20 roll to 100 I pulled him atleast two lengths and was still pulling away. Not a big blowout but there were 3 peeps in my truck to his 1.
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the S-Runner is fast! beleive me....and if you
run into one with the charger....watch out.
there arent too many around, only made in
2001, but damn for a stock pickup, its pretty
damn quick.
I've gotten beaten too many times by my
brothers s-runner to know!
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