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LI Blackdak
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5/12/2002
04:36:31
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"they are both good"
NOOOOO!!!!
that is where you are wrong. The magnum v6 is a very bad engine. idles rough, get horrible gas milage and puts out less power then any comparable engine out there. In fact I challange anyone to find me an engine 3.9 litres or larger in a late model car or truck that produces less hp and torque. i really don't think one exists. prove me wrong. ford has had a few but try to find one in 2000 and up models. while ur at see if anything gets worse gas milage also. i really don't think there are any engines in new cars weaker then this one that are equal in displacement or larger.
prove me wrong
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salvage bum
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2002
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a trip to the salvage yard might make you smile with old style thinking of what can i do with my $ can't you match up a couple turbos from a 2.2 and get the same performance you wish guess i'm from the old farm country and make the best of what you have my 90 3.9 is going to have twin turbos I'm 45 been a truck mechanic from back in the early 70s so watch for the burn of the tires i think this will work wil keep you posted
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superman
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2002
16:24:50
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ok first of all, the 4.7 V8 gets better mileage than the 3.9 V6.
second, all i have read on this post is V6 guys defending their engines and trying to convince themselves as to why they got one.
why not just cough up the extra 435$ for the 4.7 and get more horsepower, more tourgue, and better gas mileage.
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LOGIC71B
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2002
20:16:25
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Superman,
Thats like asking a chevy fan why all of the vehicles they buy have had the 327 engine instead of paying the $200 bucks more for the 350. Or why one person bought the blue truck instead of the red one. Most of use got it because we wanted it! It is our money and these are our toys.
Just my two cents!
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1Flamed92Dak
GenII
9/08/2002
20:47:26
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First off my 3.9l gets 17 in the city and 23 on the highway as for not having any HP i beg to differ with ya on that one. I have friends that wish they had bought a DAKOTA when the decided to buy the SHIVVY or PHORD in the last 11 years that i have owned my Dakota she has only left me stranded once and that was for a distrubtor drive gear that broke due to the distrubutor being bad replaced them and i have had no probelms since. As for the Rough idle try tuning it up mine fires right up and PURRS like a Lion waiting for the next encounter with a SHIVVY or PHORD. As for performace YES they are better running engines out their but I dont give a hoot about them the reason why the Newer Daks perform so poorly is that they choked those little trucks up so badly ever seen the difference in the EXHAUST on a GenII compared to a GenIII my Exhaust i 3" in diameter and the Exhaust manifolds a 2.5" in diameter compared to 1 7/8" . So if ya wanna compare the 3.9l performance to lets say a 4.0l FORD or a 4.3l CHEVY bring them on i take them one at a time and laugh at them as i GO by.......Just my 2cents worth  THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS NEVER WARNED YOU ABOUT SMOKING THE COMPETITION.
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2kPatriotBlue
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2002
21:03:24
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Well fellas - I had to add fuel to the 8 vs 6 thing but....
I love(d) my 3.9 until yesterday. Took the wife car shopping and test drove a Durango with a 5.2. This is the first time I've driven any Dodge other than a 3.9 and let me say.... WOW! I was very impressed. I still like my 3.9 for now - but the next one will be a 5.2 or hopefully a 5.9 RT if they are still around.
I will say that she made me test drive a Ford Escape as well with a 4.0 in it (i think). I hated the thing with the exception of power - that thing would take my 3.9 anyday - it threw me back in the seat.....
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2002
23:58:07
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ok im not one to stick up for the 3.9 but...here goes. Ive driven cars that had 3.9(my 2000 4x4 CC auto), 4.7(test drove 02 CC auto 4x4) and 5.2(my moms 94 jeep). stock my truck was really really weak, however now with exhaust and airaid compared to the 4.7, though it wouldnt stand a chance, still seems a little more low end happy and really i was not all that impressed with the 4.7. its decently quick but it didnt knock my socks off and i think i would not be happy with a 4.7 4x4 either. The 5.2 jeep with 100,000+ miles on it however...wow...that thing can really move and with its all time 4x4 it will move no matter what the situation. no way to spin the tires on dry or wet ground. I was just flooring it during a rain storm and it still took off. when u gun it at 50 it gets to 80 very quickly. but as for 3.9 vs. 4.7 the 4.7 is obviously better but i think with about $1500 in mods (intake, exhaust, tb, headers, jet chip, 1.7 rr's) a V6 would be about even with one. maybe. ill bet the 4.7 5 speed 2wd is pretty damn quick though
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IntenseDak39
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9/09/2002
09:16:35
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superman,
it wasnt a $400 option for many of us. if it is i would like to know where i can go get a 4.7 put in my truck for 4.7 because it wasnt offered in 98 ;-)
edelbrock intake, modified manifold, headers, flowmaster, 24lb injectors, mp throttle body, 1.7 rr, msd 6a, msd wires, blaster 3, b&m shifter, shift kit, coilovers, drag shocks, ladderbars, panhard bar, 150# coils, electric fan, oil cooler, 180 thermostat, autolite 3923, corbeau seats, slicks, mojo
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
10:08:53
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A. its a $690 option(more now i think)
B. Finding anything but a quad cab on a lot with a 4.7 is rare.
C. Every 4.7 ive seen was priced at or above 25,000(with a couple exceptions) my truck was 22,975(cause no one wants a V6 4x4)
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Y23Dak
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
14:57:12
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ok first of all flamed92dak, we are comparing horsepower of DODGE V8s and V6s no one cares what 4.0 ford or 4.3 chevy you beat,because your V6 still couldnt beat a DODGE V8 4.7, 5.2, 5.9 whatever dont change the subject, every dakota owner on this sight can beat 4.0 fords and 4.3 chevys no one cares.
oh sure with about $1500 worth of mods a 3.9 might be able to hang with a V8.
i dont know where everyone lives, but in florida,every dodge car lot has 4.7 on every model, and its only a $560 option.
just my 2.99
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1207
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
17:50:34
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hey we r all dodge owners so deal with it.
i got a 3.9 causse the v8 i wanted was 5000$ more.
but you know what i love my 3.9 the only one that got away from me was a chevy SS.
4 v6 v8 we are all dodge owners not enemys.
my 2 cents
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
18:43:24
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nope ill eat with an s10 owner...but not someone with a V8 dak...(unless its a hot girl(likely...lol))...probably caus e idont know anyone who drives a V8 dak lol
why do i even bother
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sicminds
GenIII
9/09/2002
19:46:06
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Yeah, I still like the 6. Just with about 800 in mods a hang and beat v8 daks
now you know thats..................
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Cris C
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
20:15:07
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ok you guys with big v8's, the 5.2L and the 4.7L are comparing to the 3.9L because they can't compare to the 5.9L. And for us with 3.9L trucks that wished we had an RT, for the extra ten grand you wound have spent for the RT you can sup up your 3.9L V6 to smoke the RT/lighting or anything at comes along. I have see 3.9L do low 11's and still be an every day driver oppose to making a RT run 11's and still be streetable. as far as the 5.2 and the 4.7L you guys are still trying to catch the stock RT not to mention a modifided one. So we should just stick to putting down the chevys and fords.
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1Flamed92Dak
GenII
9/09/2002
21:51:30
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You might be right Y23DAK but then again???????? I do have some mods on my Dakota also. The Current Mods are 1.7 Crower RR, Center Force II Clutch and PP and TK Bearing, Lightned Flywheel, V-8 TB ,March Underdrive Pulleys ,she has ran 15.92 @ 90mph at Sears Point Raceway and at Bakerfield she ran a 16.00 @ 89mph and if I remember correctly most of the Dakota R/T that ran in the SPORT TRUCK magazine article were in the Mid 16's yeah there were a few that were in the 13 and mid 14 brackets but i realize there are BIGGER DOGS in my backyard but they dont scare me one bit. If you offend you SORRY just my 2cents worth to you and only you.
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
23:01:24
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1flamed92
next mod..please please please get the mopar pcm. That was the best mod I ever did on my 93 v6 dak. With just bolt ons, no internal engine mods what so ever it went 15.20's all day long. I'll post later the pn of the pcm when i find it, the dealer wont be able to find it if ya dont have the part number.
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1Flamed92Dak
GenII
9/10/2002
01:17:38
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I do have the MOPAR SBEC Controller LOL
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MYV8UR6
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
01:24:04
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waahhh my 3.9 is better waahhh the V8 costs to much money............shut up and wuit whining, you all drive dodges.
and i dont know whos r/t you guys are ridin in, but my 4.7 5speed has beaten 2 stock r/ts and one modified one, but hey, ive lost to a few also.so enough of that, were picking on the little guy cause the bigger guys picking on us.
oh and 1Flamed92Dak, running 15s with that many modifications is nothing to brag about,just think, had you put that much into a V8, you could be running 13s.
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IntenseDak39
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9/10/2002
08:07:54
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those mods would not put a V8 truck in the 13s. a 15.9 is very good for a V6 truck to run with those very basic mods.
edelbrock intake, modified manifold, headers, flowmaster, 24lb injectors, mp throttle body, 1.7 rr, msd 6a, msd wires, blaster 3, b&m shifter, shift kit, coilovers, drag shocks, ladderbars, panhard bar, 150# coils, electric fan, oil cooler, 180 thermostat, autolite 3923, corbeau seats, slicks, mojo
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MightyDakSXT
GenIII
9/10/2002
11:21:44
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Gawd... it's kind of sad. Sounds like nothing but penis envy here. My engine is bigger than your engine. My engine is faster than your engine. Blah blah blah... Seems to all boil down to insecurity. V6 guys are insecure about the fact that most V8s can whoop them. Then you have the V8 guys being insecure about the possibility that a V6 could whoop THEM. It's pretty sad...
2002 RC SXT, 3.9 Liter V6, 5-spd, 3.55 rear, Extang Tonneau, Autolite 3923 Plugs, Borg Warner Cap & Rotor, Quick D Intake, Modified V8 TB, Gibson Exhaust, Robert Shaw 180° T-stat, Custom Grille, Custom JBA 9mm Power Cables
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IntenseDak39
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9/10/2002
12:13:16
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"the only replacement for displacement is technology"
more fuel for the fire!
edelbrock intake, modified manifold, headers, flowmaster, 24lb injectors, mp throttle body, 1.7 rr, msd 6a, msd wires, blaster 3, b&m shifter, shift kit, coilovers, drag shocks, ladderbars, panhard bar, 150# coils, electric fan, oil cooler, 180 thermostat, autolite 3923, corbeau seats, slicks, mojo
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MYV8UR6
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
12:48:41
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well intense i guess it was just my V8 that went into 13's (13.9, but its still 13 right?)
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IntenseDak39
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9/10/2002
13:31:10
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so theses are the exact mods that you have: 1.7 Crower RR, Center Force II Clutch and PP and TK Bearing, Lightned Flywheel, V-8 TB ,March Underdrive Pulleys?
so you are saying you have a stock intake and a factory muffler?... if so, GOOD JOB! (i doubt that he has one either but i stated that with only those mods (no mention of intake or exhaust) a V8 truck would be able to get into the 13s)
edelbrock intake, modified manifold, headers, flowmaster, 24lb injectors, mp throttle body, 1.7 rr, msd 6a, msd wires, blaster 3, b&m shifter, shift kit, coilovers, drag shocks, ladderbars, panhard bar, 150# coils, electric fan, oil cooler, 180 thermostat, autolite 3923, corbeau seats, slicks, mojo
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Mr.Sleepy
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
13:54:47
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I choose a V8 anyday over a V6, but not for the reasons most of you are shouting about.
Its a given rule of the thumb so to speak that V8's last longer than V6's or I-4's. I enjoy the extra power that it provides without any mods. I've had a 3.9, and a 4.7 and without a doubt the V8 earns my personal recommendation. but the main reason is longevity, a bigger motor works less hard to get you up to speed at the rate that your accustomed to traveling.
NOW in a year or two when the new 3.7 225hp V6 comes out.... this might cause me to give a Dak V6 another test drive.
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duh
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
14:11:22
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the 3.7 only has 210 horsepower and it wont be in dakotas for a while
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duh
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9/10/2002
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the 3.7 only has 210 horsepower and it wont be in dakotas for a while
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1Flamed92Dak
GenII
9/10/2002
23:15:14
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No IntenseDak39 I also have a Custom Exhaust Flowmaster 50 series Muffler and 19lbs FMS injectors. I'm sorry for not clarifiying that in my previous post. The total money i have spent is 650 dollars on mods since I used to work for a Dealership and was able to Acquire parts that people never came and picked up or decided they didn't want them. I also plan on a Vortech Supercharger and some intake mods also but for now i drive about 85 miles round trip each day so i been kind of putting off more mods until i can find a Decent paying job in my town so i dont have to drive the Beast as much and keep the Miles down a little. As for my truck I like it very much and I appreciate your guys comments and critisism i know some V-8 trucks are fast and might beat me but you may never know until you try and aleast i can say i have tried and if i lose OH WELL.At least I gave it my all and i have no shame in that at ALL.
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Bernd
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9/11/2002
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Just Supercharge that V6 (with a small squeeze-o-Nitrous) and the V8's will go whimpering home to their mommies. ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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MightyDakSXT
GenIII
9/11/2002
10:26:25
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Okay, I can't take it anymore. 1Flamed92Dak, I just have to tell you that I think you have one of the best looking trucks I've seen. Do you have a website where I can see more pictures?
2002 RC SXT, 3.9 Liter V6, 5-spd, 3.55 rear, Extang Tonneau, Autolite 3923 Plugs, Borg Warner Cap & Rotor, Quick D Intake, Modified V8 TB, Gibson Exhaust, Robert Shaw 180° T-stat, Custom Grille, Custom JBA 9mm Power Cables
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IntenseDak39
*GenIII*
9/11/2002
10:36:58
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1Flamed92Dak,
i was pretty sure you did but i said that a V8 dakota couldnt get into the 13s with those mods and intake and exhaust werent mention and that guy just didnt read well enough.
bernd,
so why dont you use a supercharger and a little juice now?????
edelbrock intake, modified manifold, headers, flowmaster, 24lb injectors, mp throttle body, 1.7 rr, msd 6a, msd wires, blaster 3, b&m shifter, shift kit, coilovers, drag shocks, ladderbars, panhard bar, 150# coils, electric fan, oil cooler, 180 thermostat, autolite 3923, corbeau seats, slicks, mojo
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