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Jdawg
Dodge Dakota
8/19/2001
20:50:21
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 Subject: 4.7-Dak vs. 5.3-Chevy
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How do they compare performance wise? I'm talking a fully loaded QC 4x4 vs. the Chevy 1500 Ext. cab 4x4. What do you guys think?
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CW
Dodge Dakota
8/19/2001
21:15:27
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Driven them both, think the Dakota would have the edge.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/19/2001
21:48:23
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The 4.7 is a better designed engine but it has an awful peaky torque curve. The 5.3 produces alot more low end torque and more hp then the 4.7 and the power band is much flatter. If you want to compare them dived hp or torque of vechile by weight and that will tell you how hp to weight ratio i.e if a vechile has 235hp and weights 3500lbs. the you have .067 hp for each pound of weight.
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Nick McCardle
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
00:54:42
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I raced my '98 Dak Sport CC w/ 3.55 rear and a 318 against a newer Silverado RC with the 327...it barely edged me out. Both were autos.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
01:31:08
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I have no clue what the hp/torque curves for the Silverado 5.3 look like. But I can tell you that the hp/torque curves that some idiot in Dodges marketing department came up with are plain wrong! Take a look at these dyno charts and you tell me where all of this peakiness is supposed to be.
http://www.speedtweaks.net/Images/4.7L%20TB/47DynoCharts.jpg
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http://members.home.net/cartel5/duner/Duner47Dyno.JPG
Speaking of idiots in marketing..... Everyone knows that GM traditionally has always overrated their hp/torque numbers. I certainly hope nobody actually believes the stuff their shoveling!
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aggie97
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
17:25:59
| RE: 4.7-Dak vs. 5.3-Chevy
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If you are going to buy a QC 4x4, don't rule out the 5.9L. It will eat the Chevy's lunch and will also, tow more and has tons more low end torque. the new vortec engines are trying to sell horsepower only. they have no torque. I think the 4.8 or the 5.3 only has 285 ft. lbs of torque peak, where the 5.9 has 335. 50 ft. lbs makes a huge difference when you are trying to move a 5k pound 4x4. My truck, full tank of gas, me at 220 and empty bed equals approx. 4900 pounds.
just food for thought but kiss gas mileage goodbye.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
17:52:19
| RE: 4.7-Dak vs. 5.3-Chevy
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When I say peaky I am refering to the lack of low end torque of the 4.7. I drive one and it is not very torqy.It realy does not come alive until you hit about 3000-3200 rpm. Idealy a truck should produce 70% of it's total torque just off idle between idle and 1500 rpm. The torque curve should graduly progress and torque and horsepower should cross at 3200-3500 at the latest. Your Torque curve should not look like the Rooky Mountains! Compare the torque curve of the 4.7 to the 5.9 and you will see what I mean. Horse power can look like the rockies because it realy is not that important in a truck and it is a by product of torque anyways. Torque is measureable Horse Power is calculated, it is a mathmatical derrivitive.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
19:29:58
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I went looking for a dyno chart for a 5.9 but only found one online..... and when they did the dyno pull, they didn't start sampling until 3000 rpm. No telling what it looked like before that, but about 3500 was the peak for torque. I would like to take a look at an actual rear-wheel dyno pull from one. There's no way you can trust the pretty charts that the marketing guys put out.
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Goodyear
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
20:24:42
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sad to say but the chevy would win w/o breaking a sweat. I lunge at every chance i have to drive my fathers. Thankfully my Dak looks sooooooo much better.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
21:22:39
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The review in edmunds has the GMC 1500 4x4 ext cab running a 16.5 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 8.4. The 4.7 Dakota QC 4x4 automatic they tested got a 16.8 1/4 and a 0-60 in 8.8. I bet the Dakota with the 5.9 or the 4.7 with a 5-speed would be about a dead heat with the GMC. Or take the $4000 difference in the price as tested and get a bunch of mods.
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Brad
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
21:26:58
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Trucktrends did rearwheel dynos on a 5.9 ram, 5.3 chevy, 5.4 ford and 4.7 toyota. The 5.3 had the best numbers but curiously the 5.9 and 5.4 were almost identical! Ford claims to have 15 more hp and torque. The 5.3 was first putting 266 lbs-ft and 221 hp at the wheels. 5.9 was next with 260 lbs-ft and 192 hp. Ford was 255 lbs-ft and 190 hp and the toyota with 252 lbs-ft and 189 hp. I agree with Duner that rearwheel dynos are the best way of seeing what an engine puts out. Chevy looks way under rated by these numbers at least on the torque.
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Tommy
Dodge Dakota
8/21/2001
00:13:18
| RE: 4.7-Dak vs. 5.3-Chevy
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I can tell you this much. I have a reg. cab 4.7L, 5 speed, w/355 diff. and no stock chevy silverado can run with it.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
8/21/2001
09:23:02
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The dakota quad cab with the 5.9 will go 0 - 60 in 7.8 with the K & N system. Also with the K & N system you get way better fuel economy. The 5.9 is not that far from the 4.7 once you put the K&N on it. It will kill the chevy i do it all the time. I can kill them even when pulling a trailer.
I have been in a quad cab with the 4.7 auto and its ok but its far from being a fast truck it feels heavy and slow to react. The 5.9 will pin you to your seat.
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Troy Lilly
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
19:44:28
| RE: 4.7-Dak vs. 5.3-Chevy
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I have a 2000 Dakota QC 4x4 with every options, therefore adding overall weight. It has an automatic with 3.92 LS and 32" tires. I have several mods including 180 stat, headers, cat-back, air intake, plugs, wires, brass cap, etc. With these mods this truck will run with new-style Mustang GT's up to 120 mph. I have raced two of them, and we were door to door to 120 in one race, and the other race ended at about 90 (he had to get off an exit ramp). This truck will definitely pin you to the seat when you mash the gas. I have also beaten stock R/T Dakota's, as well. I have only raced two 5.3 Chevy's, and it wasn't much of a race. With these mods, I killed them. One truck had a K&N and duals, the other was stock. I also raced a new Silverado HD with the 8.1L V8, and it was a dead heat to about 60, when the race ended. The 8.1L Chevy screams for a big truck. I was really impressed when I got to drive it. I test drove a 2001 RC Dakota 4x4 with the 4.7, 5-speed, and 3.92 LS last week. This truck is dead until about 3,200 rpm, then it really comes alive. I really liked the power after 3,200 rpm, but getting there was terrible. It has sorry low end torque compared to the 5.9. No replacement for displacement still rings true!!!!!
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Tommo
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
20:23:39
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I got the 2002 silverado 5.3 reg cab swb. Supposedly it has 285 hp, 325 torque, if i drive right i can get 19 mpg, which is way better than my moms 2000 5.9 dodge, im glad i chose chevy over dodge, more hp and better gas mileage.
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ZenDak
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
23:10:40
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I own a '01 CC 4.7 3.55auto. I had mine dynoed here in Austin TX., at Colvin Automotive. At the wheels I'm getting 200hp, and 260 torque. Only mod is a 2chamber Flowmaster Catback. Intake is on the way. I can spank any 5.3 Ext Cab stock. I owned a '99 Ext Cab, and it's no where as punchy as my 4.7.
It's not a 4X4, but I hope this helps...
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
11/04/2001
10:45:29
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I had my 2001 R/T 5.9L dynoed a few months ago.
4400miles on the motor and stock.
210hp 304tq
Now I have a few mods, haven't dynoed it since.
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Z28
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
20:17:00
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Troy, if by "new style" Mustangs you mean the '99-up cars, I think you are wrong. If you mean the '96-'98 car, I suppose that's possible, but still not likely. Pickups are much heavier than coupes, even Fords. My guess is that this was probably a calculated effort on the Ford driver's part... don't waste any more clutch/gas than necessary to dust off some weirdo in a fricking Dodge pickup. By the way, the newest GTs are about 3200lbs pre-driver with about 270HP flywheel.
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slo-mo
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2002
20:38:50
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I own a 4.7 quad cab I changed gears to the 3:92 from the r/t a JET chips chip, throttle body spacer, custom cold air intake, relocated IAT sensor, hollowed cats, and flowmaster exh. Also unplugging the antilock brake sensor will take off the top speed limiter, and not count mileage. I raced this punk ass bitch with a 5.3 chevy and only took it up to 70, and he pulled away from me hard. So don't waste money with the 4.7 buy an R/T and a supercharger.
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Steve
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2002
23:17:19
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I have a 2001 QC 4.7 2wd with the 3:55. All I've done is add an airaid intake and exhaust. My buddy has the same mods on a 2001 5.3 2wd and I pull him by 1/2 a car, at least, every time. I've ran him numerous times and the only time I've lost was when I spun too much off the start
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01Dakotaman
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2002
00:43:37
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I have a 2001 dakota reg cab 2wd with the 4.7L; auto; 3.55; and ive beatend every chevy truck ive raced with. My latest was against a reg cab 2wd. i assume 5.3L. it was one of those UGLY new packages chevy offers. i dont know the name of the package but its a rusty color with some stripes/designs on the side. i know this was not custom because ive seen several around, mostly extended cab though.
MODS:true dual exhaust, k&n drop in
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Eric Flores
Dodge Dakota
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8/14/2002
18:29:11
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so, where does the 5.2 lie in all this???
is the 4.7 really that powerful?
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Millhouse
GenIII
8/15/2002
06:19:59
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5.3 would prob. eat it up
Miller
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Audie
Dodge Dakota
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8/15/2002
16:27:54
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I have a 2002 CC, 4X4 with the 4.7, auto and 3.55 gears. It is absolutely gutless when towing and takes forever to get to 60 MPH. I don't care what the HP/torque ratings show in the marketing stuff but the 4.7 under load has only about 75% of the hauling power of my previous '94 dak with a 318.
Towing 3000# trailer and pedal to boards I hit 120 KPH, and with a 4000# load it's 100 KPH.
I test drove a 5.3 Silverado at the same time but it was 5K more in $$.
So far I'm not too impressed not to mention $600 in transmission parts replaced at 2500 miles.
Later ..... Audie from Ontario
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JAMR/T
Dodge Dakota
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8/15/2002
17:23:03
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If u want power and a fast truck why would u buy a 4.7 dak when you could buy a R/T for not much more. When it comes to mods put them on a 5.9 and fell real power. I raced my R/T when it was stock and took my buddy's 5.3 chevy easy. Now that I have mods I can hang with mustangs and f-bodys all day and blow the doors of a stock one.
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moparjoe20
Dodge Dakota
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8/15/2002
17:34:58
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I raced my buddys 5.3 Silverado last week at the track (1/8 mile) and beat him 3 out of 3 .
My truck is a '99 Dakota Club Cab with a 318/A500/3.55 open diff , it has an M1 and a Dynomax Race Magnum , otherwise it's stock and weighs 4,300# with a 'glass lid and 1/4 tank of gas.
His truck is an '02 Silverado Reg cab with a 5.3/auto/ and 3.73 posi and just has a Flowmaster Cat back and K&N FIPK.
My runs ranged from 9.91-9.82@72 mph and his ranged from 10.37-10.28@67mph , we were both cutting 60' times in the 2.30 range and I would pull him by about 1 1/2 cars through the 1/8 mile. Temps were 92 when we made our first run and had dropped to 87 on the last run , humidity was 85%+ all night.
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99 SC R/T
Dodge Dakota
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8/15/2002
19:09:17
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When my R/T was stock I beat a few 5.3 Chevys pretty bad. With some work I am sure they will run but stock they don't seem too fast.
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DGERAM
Dodge Dakota
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8/16/2002
17:46:39
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I have a heavy 01 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 Off-Road with the 5.9L and a few mods (intake & exhaust) and I smoke new 5.3's all the time. Granted I have had a few close calls but I beat them pretty regularly. They don't impress me one bit.
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Demon Dakota
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8/17/2002
12:38:20
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Troy Lilly,
I hate to break it to you, but the 00-03 GT's will stomp your ass in the dirt. There's no way you're truck runs 13.95's or better in the 1/4 mile like the GT's I race. I've run a '00 and an '02 to sub 14 1/4's, and they are totally stock! I've got slips to prove it as well. Don't bring BS in here unless you can back it up.
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Jesse
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2003
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I have a 2000 5.3 GMC, it's got flowtech headders,K&N Gen.2, dual flowmaster without cats in front of tire, corvette servos in tranny, shift kit, royal purple oil(on me it gave me like 5 or 10hp),without programmer or nos and made a 14 flat sec 1/4 mile..... I know a little dakota can't do better than that unless it has a supercharger or turbos or nos.... dodge just doesn't have it...and YES i have beat a new mustang Gt ...his headlight was near my door ... to me thats a win...and they dont run 13.95 unless modified...they hit around 14.5 to 15s 1/4 mile.I know cause i use to have one but insurance was too high so i bot this truck witch is faster but cheaper in insurance... twice less....
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notchlx
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2003
08:37:57
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Demon,
Let's not forget, that drivers have a lot to do with the times... A legit driver in a 99+ GT could wheel it down the 1/4 in 14.0's or less(with a good 60ft.) Not all will run that though. I have several buddies in my Mustang Club who have turned their cars over as test mules on the 1/4. These cars range in 1/4 bests of 14.2-14.40's they are 5-spds, and will not get below these numbers regardless of driver. However, there are some like yours that run 13.90's. I do see what you're saying though. It would impossible to believe a 16 second truck out-running or hanging with a 14/13 second car.(in equal conditions) Also assuming the guy in the Mustang was racing, and not just jaunting up to 120mph to play with a truck.
Last week at the track, I took a 2001GT. He got the jump out of the hole, but I came back around him. My time 14.15 His time 14.28. He also had a Flowmaster cat-back, and Steeda timing adjuster. Track was extremely slick that night as well.
5.3 Silverados.. I've raced a guy in a 00 regular cab. I don't know his exact combo, but he was running 15.0's. My dad has an extended cab 99 with the 327 as well. I feel like power distribution between the 4.7 and 5.3 are comparible. Both make good power after 2,500rpm. The 5.3's do respond to mods better than the 4.7's.
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