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stinger
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6/23/2005
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im new to the internet and was wondering if anybody has any thoughts on amsoil. i was told that it wasn't a true snthetic like castrol syntec or valvoline synpower, and i don't know what a true synthetic is anyway!
thanks for the info,
stinger
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MattNC
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6/23/2005
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AMSOIL IS A TRUE SYNTHETIC. Valvoline is not. I'm sure that many people will tell you that and explain fully what they both are. I have been using AMSOIL for the past year and a half with no problems. Many people use the 10w-30 that lasts for 25,000 miles or 1 year. If you look at that alone, it's a GREAT value besides protecting better than a crude oil. You might try a search on this site, and will find MANY different posting about it. I would personally run AMSOIL before Valvoline anyday. (I have used both oils)
Matt
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DSW
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6/23/2005
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GO for the Amsoil and don't have any regrets! About the only other 100% true synthetic oils you will find are Mobil 1, Royal Purple annnnnd,,,, can't remember, but it's not Castrol, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quacker State, etc.
I ran Amsoil Universal ATF in my 00's 45RFE auto tranny and it went for 60K without problems,,, I totalled the truck ;-(
In my 03 QC I am running Amsoil Universal ATF in the 545RFE auto tranny and power steering system, Amsoil 5W-40 european engine oil and one of the Amsoil gear lubes in the rear end. I went with the 5W-40 since I live in the desert and the Dak manual recommends 10-40 oil for hot climates, putting in 5-40 I won't have to dik with the different oils for summer and winter. Some people might be able to get away with 5-30 in the summer, but I wouldn't want to have x-30 weight in the engine while towing in 110+ temps or just plain driving in temps at 125+.
If they made brake fluid and washer fluid I'd probably be using that also... LOL
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stinger
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6/23/2005
23:08:34
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thanks guys, im still trying to figure out how to "search" the site. i cant seem to find amsoil anywhere near my house, so i'll probably just go with any off the "full" synthetics that i see at target and walmart and be as well protected as amsoil. i guess i'll just look for the word "full" or "true" on the front of the bottle.
Thank you guys,
stinger
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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6/24/2005
03:14:52
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Mobil 1 engine oil is 100% synthetic and realy cheap at Wal-Mart $20/5 quarts. I used it in my 00 CC's 4.7 with great results. Mobil 1 is nice since you can get it easily, Amsoil can be difficult to find, that's why I used to run it in my 00 CC.
I would say the one down side to using Amsoil is finding the stuff. Amsoil has one of thier regional distribution centers in Las Vegas where I live, so it's not a big deal for me anymore. If I couldn't buy it locally I don't know if I would be using it.
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MattNC
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6/24/2005
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If you buy 5 quarts of the 25,000 mile oil and 2 oil filters from AMSOIL, you will pay less in a year that buying any other oil. The AMSOIL that I am talking about is $6.15 a quart for $30.75 and filters at $12.60 for $25.20. You would spend a total of $55.95 for a whole year or 25,000. But lets guess that you drive 15,000 miles a year. If you use Mobil Clean 7,500 at $2.98 a quart (couldn't find a price for Clean 15,000, you would buy 10 quarts for a total of $30.00 in a year and 2 oil filters at $7.00 a piece for $14.00 a year. A total of t $44.00 a year. Yes It's cheaper, but you must take the time to chage the oil, although it's not hard. Those AMSOIL prices are high without being a prefered customer, which will cut your price to about $47.00, VERY close to the $44.00 price of Mobil. They are both VERY good oils, but wanted to present you with some hard facts. Everyone loves these 2 oils, so you make the decision.
Matt
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99DAK
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6/24/2005
14:29:29
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stinger-
Full synthetic and true synthetic are not interchangeable. Full synthetics can be Group III base, or "hydrocracked" (chemically altered petroleum oil). True synthetics are Group IV/V base (polyalphaolefin) only. Amsoil, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, and Redline are PAO-based synthetics, the others mentioned are not.
That said, I've not seen any credible hard data to show that you're any worse off with Group III synthetics.
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Shank
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6/24/2005
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go to www.amsoil.com
Enter "amsoil dealer" with your city & State in your search engine and you should be able to find the closest dealer.
I haven't regretted it! My 1st 25K mile oil change is now due.
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DSW
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6/25/2005
15:50:56
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The problem with these wanna be Group III hydrocracked dino "synthetics" (Castrol, valvoline, Quacker State, etc) is you are paying the price for a full synthetic and getting a hydrocracked dino oil, just a highly refined bottle of dead dinosaurs. They are ripping you off! I am not saying these oils are bad, infact they are much better than normal Dino oil, they are just not a synthetic oil and should be priced much lower than a genuine 100% true synthetic oil.
Kind of like ordering a $25 T-bone at the steak house and the waiter flopping a hamburger down...
If I buy a T-bone I want a T-bone, if I buy a synthetic oil I want a 100% true synthetic oil.
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Spali
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6/26/2005
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DSW, you stated "Some people might be able to get away with 5-30 in the summer, but I wouldn't want to have x-30 weight in the engine while towing in 110+ temps or just plain driving in temps at 125+. tates "
The lower number is for winter startup, the 30 weight is what you want when your towing in 110+ temps. You stated that backwards. I use the 0-30W oil which is superior for winter startup and then it turns into an actual 30 weight oil once it's warm and running.
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Spali
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6/26/2005
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Stinger, I sell Amsoil products on the side. It usually takes 1-2 days shipped to your doorstep. I've used Amsoil products in all my vehicles. My truck currently has 65,000 miles on it and has had roughly 5 oil changes since new. I use the 0-30W Synthetic oil with is good for 35,000 miles. I average about 17,000 miles a year and do 1 oil change a year on my vehicles. My wife's car has 112,000 miles on hers. I switched to Amsoil at 75,000 miles and only done 2 oil changes in the last 2 years. She gets 27-28mpg in her 2000 Chrysler 300M(V-6 252HP)Amsoil's 10-30W and their superior 0-30W is engineered to have the oil filter changed at 12,500 or 6 months and full oil changed at 25,000/35,000 miles. Contact me if your interested or just check out my webpage sometime.......www.spalisautodetailing.com
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DSW
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6/26/2005
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Spali, reread my post...
"I went with the 5W-40 since I live in the desert "
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Spali
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6/26/2005
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DSW, I can see you went with the new 5-40W European oil. But you seem to imply that any X-30W is bad for temperatures 110 and up when it's perfectly fine.
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99DAK
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6/26/2005
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DSW-
I've been buying generic/house brand Group III "full" (as opposed to "blend") synthetics for between $2.00 and $2.50 a quart - not $4-$6/qt, and I change oil and filter every 5K. As long as they have comparable characteristics (pour point, flash point, etc.) I'd really like to see some real world performance data that shows PAO based syns to be significantly better to justify the extra cost.
Not arguing with you, just asking if you know of any such data.
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spali
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6/26/2005
15:56:54
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On the back of every Amsoil quart of oil is test data done to show how Amsoil compares to others. Amsoil's been around for 30 years, they have quite the reputation of a good, quality, top grade oil that no other oil can beat as of yet.
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DSW
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6/26/2005
16:34:28
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I guess it's up to the individual what they want to run for oil: dino, group III synthetic or a true synthetic. I drive 30-40K every year and want my vehicle to make 200-300K without major repairs, the extra expense of running a true synthetic is minimal. Running a Group III synthetic isn't bad, but it's bad for oil companies to sell a group III oil at true synthetic prices. If your getting the group III oil for $2-2.50/qt that's cool, but when it costs $4-5/qt (the price of a true synthetic) the public is getting ripped off.
0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30 oils will run fine in 110-125 degree temps, but 40 weight oil offers more protection than a 30 wieght at high temperature. Why do you think Dodge recommends running a 10w-40 oil for high temperatures? I run 5W-20 oil in my wifes car during the summer and don't worry about it, but she's not towing a 3500# boat throught the mountains in 110 degree temperatures either.
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MattNC
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6/26/2005
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99DAK,
Like was stated, running a group III is not bad, but not as good at a group IV & V. If you pay about 2.00 a quart of oil and need 15 quarts and 3 filters for a year it's about $45 and for AMSOIL you would spend about $50 for the same distance. AMSOIL IS a better oil. Whenever there is an oil that can run 25,000 - 35,000 miles rather than 5,000, what do you think is a better, MUCH BETTER oil? If other companies oil's were as as AMSOIL why wouldn't they run them for 25,000? Money is one thing, but their oil is not as good. AMSOIL has the tests, and users will tell you. I have used Valvoline SynPower and now AMSOIL, and AMSOIL is a better oil, with distance and MPG and AMSOIL is better there also. These oils are good, but not the best.
Matt
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spali
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6/26/2005
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It all boils down to how much your willing to spend for your automobile. Think of oil like gasoline for example. There's 3 different kinds of gasoline. Low, Mid, and Premium. They all will run in pretty much any automobile from the factory. But a car that has higher compression needs the premium or using the low grade will cause poor performance. Amsoil's up on top of every oil test put out to this day. If you want to spend $2 a quart for your oil, go ahead. Your the one who has to spend more money changing your oil more often and costs your more money. Your just missing out on Amsoil's $6 a quart that will give you maximum protection and longevity of your engine, transmission, and gear oil. I'll take a oil that is engineered to last 25,000/35,000 miles any day knowing that the company has 30 years behind it and it's been tested and trued by it's customers. It all boils down to what budget you have. If you do the math, Amsoil saves you time and money. Money that stays in your pocket and a vehicle running at it's best.
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ricardcapecod
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6/27/2005
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yes, and i just got the new released Synchromesh 5w 30 for use on the NV3500 (5 manual).
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Stinger
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6/27/2005
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but i have to wonder what is beter for my dak, amsoil changed every 25,000 miles, or a group 3 oil changed every 5,000 miles?
it seems to me that the 25,000 change would have the oil on the "razors edge" for the last 10,000 miles or so, and probably wouldn't protect like a group 3 oil changed at 5,000 miles which would keep the oil in it's "sweet spot" for the whole oil change period.
if most "dino" oils can go 5,000 miles, than i'm starting to feel real good about my "fake" Valvoline Synpower 10W-30 oil going 5,000 miles with ease.
Thanks to all that helped,
stinger
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99DAK
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6/27/2005
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spali-
Amsoil may be good for 25K, but you still need a filter change every 5K or so. Same amount of effort to drain and refill either way.
I'll gladly spend more for Amsoil if someone can show me credible independent data that says it will make any measureable difference.
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