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TexasTodd
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1/07/2005
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I wanted an objective test, so I finally dynoed. NOw, I wish I would have dynoed with my truck bone stock, before the ho stuff, etc.
My scanner hasn't worked in years, sorry.
Here's the deal-I wanted an objective test, hence, a dyno. So I took the program out last night, and drove around 75 miles before dynoing.
I've got 3.55 gears. In my third gear, the tach and speedo are 1:1, well, They used 4th gear on my manual and went thru the gears, then from about 2100 in 4th, they floored it. The first run hit the speed limiter at about 114mph, and never got to the rev limiter.
From 2100rpm thru 2,750 rpm, the slope was flat at 265ft/lbs torque. Then the torque rose steadily and peaked @288.26ft/lbs @ 3500-3600rpm, then fell off steadily until the my 4th gear hit the speed limiter @47,500rpms.
The HP Rose steadily from 2100 @105HP, and peaked at 4400rpms @ 218.99 RWHP- This was the way I drive my truck daily.
Same serpentine belt-(no short belt bypassing pumps), and the air cleaner the way I drive it also, with the element in place.
Without the Superchips at all I made
Max power-218.99 (RWHP), and 288.26 ft lbs of torque.
Then I did a run, and flipped on my old SpeedTweeks IAT adjuster!-Guess What? EXACTLY the SAME GRAPH! So I turned it back off-like usual.
Then, I programmed in my Superchips tuner, at the 87 Octane rating, and raised the speed limiter.
This Time, the curves were about exact up until 3000 rpms. From there, the curves stayed parallel, but went until ~6000rpm, hitting the rev limiter, not the speed limiter.
With the 87 octane rating, I maxed at 222.72RWHP, and 292.29Ft/lgs torque.
THAT'S A WHOPPING 4=/- HP/TORQUE MAX!! ;-(
ON a lighter note,
No tuner at all, my daily driver on 87 octane, put down 219 RWHP(ok 218.99), and 288.26 ft lbs of torque, at the rear wheels!!!
Thats about 267HP, and 356ft/lbs torque at the crank!! 267 x .82=218.94 ; 356.5 x .82= 292.33
18% drive train loss, I've got a manual, and a 2 piece drive shaft, LSD rear, etc. That's being generous. Do the math you engineer types.
Again, I wished I would have dynoed bone stock, cause my: 01, 4.7, manual, lsd,
is rated on paper at 230hp/and 295ftlbs at the crank.
So by adding:
HO cams and HO intake
Ported 68mm TB
true CAI home brew with k&N filter
No third cat
NO belt driven fan or fan/clutch
3923 plugs
Mobil 1 10W30 oil
It gained 37HP and 61+ft/lbs torque at the crank!
WITHOUT THE SUPER CHIPS, add a touch more with it on the 87 octane rating!
Interestingly enough, the stock numbers, at the crank say 230@4800 and 295@3200 peak.
My lightly modded, with or without SC tuner, at the RW peaked at 4350rpm hp, and stayed at 10hp less thru 4900, then gradually sloped off.
The tq peaked @3600.
So the HP curve peaked sooner, while the Tq peaked later-go figure!
I'm going to run this tank of 87 out, put in 93, load the Perf setting, and redyno with the 93 on that setting.
I know what I'll be mailing back if it doesn't make at least 20 more hp/tq!
I'm also going to quit taking my truck to six grand, since thecurve has fallen well off by then!
Graphite Dak- I hope you read that last statement!
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TexasTodd
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1/07/2005
16:52:47
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Condensed version,
My version of stock:
218.99RWHP, 288.26RWTq
Superchips 87 Octane program:
222.72RWHP, 292.29RWTq
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AndrewM
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
17:19:22
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Todd, was your truck cool before you ran the first dyno? How long did you wait between the first and second run?
If your truck was cool for the first run, then you made a second run within a few minutes, you're going to get less power.
You might be getting a bigger gain with the Superchips than you know.
When I dynoed my truck, I lost 4 HP between the first and second run. I was at a "dyno day" and waited several hours for my first run, so the truck was cool to start.
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
17:39:29
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Andrew,
It was at least 10 minutes, and of course the fan was at the front-I think that's pretty standard.
It was off between runs. I don't think it was heat related.
I'll get this 87 tank out soon, Use 93, and the perf setting and the towing setting in about a week. I'll try to keep the ambient about the same also.
Hey everybody, I saw a post, before I got mine, on another site, that said when they tried it on a truck that similiar mods as mine, like HO cams and intake, etc., that they saw very little gains.
If you are pretty much stock, and have the 'death flash', then I'm sure you'll see a bigger difference than the stock #'s.
I had to do a tru comparison, and started with just my mods, and no SC tuner.
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akajoker
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
18:17:00
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Todd, I just got to ask, why do you keep throwing up the 20 hp number?.. I've read all the posts here as well as all the posts over on DT... and never ever has anyone aquainted w/or that donated their truck claimed "everyone" would see a 20 hp gain... Each truck is going to react differently according to the amount of modification it's already had done. Anyhow, I thought I read over on DT that there were a couple ppl saying the same thing, that the 87 setting showed improvement but not much but the 91 setting showed alot more.. Just think you are overly optimistic to see 20 hp from a programmer, you have to remember that SC has left some performance on the table because they are trying to paint with a broad brush and get every state covered, California does not offer 93 oct, 91 max.. so they had to leave some timing out of it..... just my .02
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TexasTodd
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anonymous, aka joker,
duely noted were your thoughts.
I got the 20hp, right from the box. 10%.
A stock 4.7, (w/o mods that I have), puts down about 200, RWHP. 10% of 200, is 20hp. I'll settle for that, and probably SLIGHTLY less.
I'm still not convinced that I should be dyoing in 4th gear.(manual tranny). The 1:1, engine to wheel is 3rd with my 3.55 rear end. That would show even mote HP. But the difference between stock and tuner would be the same.
I agree that with a timing advance, my light mods now, It just might really wake it up. It's already prety nice w/o the death flash, etc. stock. I know that you weren't worrying whether I'd post the next set of results or not.
Thanks for your input.
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akajoker
Dodge Dakota
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21:37:24
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Anonymous? what do you mean? Oh that I havent payed to join this site?.. Can't.. just don't see throwing down $30 for a yr membership, when I only paid $10 for a lifetime membership to the S-10 V-8 community I belong to.
Ahh.. here's the difference, and I will apologize, I read but didnt compprehend(sp) that you are driving a manual, and they put down a little more hp over the auto's. I didn't realize that SC actually put 10% on their packaging, that's misleading from their point.
I do however, agree with you, I think you would be seeing a better looking dyno sheet if you were pulling in 3rd, did they give any reason as to why it was tested in 4th?
And actually I would like to see your final results with the performance program. My warranty is gone, no need to change my manifold as mines an 03 and am heavily considering the KRC 206 cams, but they are pricey, but word is Dan the "fastman" will have his version soooon and will be considerably less. So please do post your final results, there's alot of us depending on guys like you who hit the dyno to make up our minds on what parts we buy and don't.
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01Motorsport
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
23:42:15
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I appreciate your info, TexasTodd, primarily because of how your truck is similar to mine: '01/4.7/5-spd/HO cams/"true" 68mm TB/Mobil 1/and homebrew w/K&N. The main differences are RC/3 cats w/Flowmaster 70 & 2 1/2" duals/3:92 LSD/Bosch 4418 Platinums. From my feeble hot rodding experience, Todd, the excellent air/fuel induction gains from the TB/cams/air intake are being restricted on the outlet side with only a third cat removal. I would recommend that you seriously consider further exhaust improvements to balance out the performance, SC tuner or not. Just my $.02. Thanks again...
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TexasTodd
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1/08/2005
01:22:18
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MOtorsport,
I agree and still plan on a true dual after my precats.
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confused
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1/08/2005
07:19:07
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akajoker - why is 10 % misleading ? Wouldn't it only be misleading if it isn't true ? Will be interesting to see those dyno results.
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akajoker
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2005
08:25:20
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Not sure if any of you guys are reading other forums or not, but like Todd, there are others that have received, installed and already dynoed their trucks, and honestly I can't recall any of them getting 20hp at the wheels, crank yep... ... I've been out of the programming days since I traded my 96 chevy in for my dakota I have now(but I have been following the SC thing for quite some time)... Back then I had a Hypertech and I dont think it did anything but let me adjust for my 235/40/17's I seen, like Todd, 4 hp max, and I was running premium gas....
My initial thought was Todd was disappointed with only a 4 hp gain and he was using only the 87 program and from my point of view, I felt like he expected to see more hp than that on the 87 setting, I think tho when he programs the 91 performance progam and goes back to the dyno, I think he will see more than 4hp net. I would suspect that after the 91 performance program and going back to the dyno, he'll be are 235 at the wheels.
Guys I wasn't trying to start anything, so don't take my comments like that, I came off the wrong way in my initial post. Just knowing how long that SC has worked on a programmer for the 4.7, I was thinking that there wouldn't be too many people that would be disappointed with them, after all, wasnt all that long ago, they were sending 4.7 owners e-mails stating that at the time there just wasn't enough of a demand for a programmer for the 4.7 to devote time to it. And knowing that SC has the 87 program for those who want a small improvement over stock but not go to the 91 fuel.
Heck if anything, I appreciate it, although it may not seem like it, that Todd, you, posted your dyno results, it would have been alot easier to say, yep 87 setting showed me xx hp, or not even say at all..... it's informative to see the aftermarket parts you have done and see that you're at 218 w/o the program. I will be following your post 91 performance program to see what your final results are and hope they are much more to your liking!
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Kowalski
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1/08/2005
09:10:14
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I've seen claims that B&G flash raises advance to 28 degrees, and Leach flash raises it to 29 degrees. Anyone have #s for the superchips tuner 91 performance program to compare ?
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2005
09:22:35
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Sorry I can't show the graph, but I described the curve EXACTLY as I could. And the numbers are here on paper. Still on that 87 tank. It'll be w/in a week or so when I get over there again.
G-Force motorsports, Pearland TX. $50 for 3 pulls
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akajoker
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1/08/2005
09:46:56
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Not sure Kowalski, but I would amagine, that it wouldn't be as much as a custom flash as SC is trying to cover all 50 states and the more advance you would have the higher octane fuel you would need to keep it from detonating, so they had to leave some advance on the table since I know that at least California 93 oct isnt available. Here is Georgia, tho, that isnt a problem, there's a chevron on my way to work that sells the good stuff.. tho it's $4.99 a gallon, it is 100 oct at the pump, fill my V-8 s-10 up with it every 4 tanks... can't afford every tank.
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sport
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1/08/2005
10:00:27
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Todd thank you for the post. I have similar truck and mods, looking forward to 91 program results.BTW 4th gear is 1:1, this is in your tranny, makes no difference what your rear gear is.Dyno in 4th gear is correct.
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Rogerz
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2005
11:51:27
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So, what everyone is saying here is that purchasing a programer for $400.00 or more is really not worth is. You can get way more out of doing other mods...?
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Rogerz
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1/08/2005
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Oops, I forgot to add that I have a Dakota RT 5.9 2001 Superchips says that they can give me a 46.9 HP gain with 91 octane...
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Kowalski
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1/08/2005
14:05:48
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Rogerz - you might want to wait to see if anyone comes up with a # to compare before jumping to that conclusion - the flash left something on the table too. While premium may be recomended for the flash I have, I've found I only actually need it for towing. Otherwise I'm seeing a good increase in performance just running regular.
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Android287
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1/08/2005
20:01:04
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Thanks for all the info TexasTodd! Glad some one was willing to spend the time and money to get some results. Even if i only get 5 hp and 5 lb or torque it will be worth it to get ride of some of this torque management. I should of special ordered the manual tranny.
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