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waltherone,
I didn't say it takes 1000hp to run 11's or 10's. I'm at about 300hp and knocking on 11's. I simply mentioned the vehicles running 9's and below are the ones making that kind of power. Running 9's and running 11's is two toally different worlds.
that video link I posted above was a street driven honda from you guessed it, texas.
430whp about 2,100lbs and 11's.
Your rite, 1000hp is going to move you faster then 9's last I checked they were knocking the 7 second door. I know for a fact that they are running 8's and pretty sure they have broken the 7 second barrier.
Dr X, grow up a little.
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stroker
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11/02/2004
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hybrid: I know the cars you are talking about. The pro stock imports? They have been in the 8's many times. Even some N/A honda civics. Now your car with about 300 hp is probably a different style, more streetable yet very close to low numbers. What kind of car is it?
If you all believe me or not, whatever, I'm just glad to see some constructive information going around this board for once. This is what a performance message board is suppose to consist of.
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waltherone
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Yeah the video you posted is not only texas, but Houston. That's Cary, nice guy. He was one of the ones I was referring to in my previous post :P
I was just sayin, it sounded like you were saying the 9 second imports are little 1600lb, 1000HP cars. And that wasn't quite right, it doesn't take that little weight or that much power to get the 9.
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hybrid
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11/02/2004
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Stroker,
Yeah my car is a civic coupe, full interior, and I race on drag radials, not true slicks. Next season should hold more excitement as I'm working on changing to a civic h/b chassis and running true M&H slicks.
waltherone,
Glad we cleared that up, I didn't want it to sound as though I was misleading anyone.
Does he still have that civic? last I heard he was selling the engine set-up.
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waltherone
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He was selling it to go bigger and better IIRC. My friend Duc here in houston was planning to buy it, but the car he was going to put it in fell through, he got frustrated, and instead just bought some guy's lil turbo integra. Not sure whatever became of Cary's engine, I know it was for sale, never saw anyone actually buy it though.
It was so perdy!
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wally parks
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have i said bullsh!t recently?
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stroker
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uhhhh ya you have said it lately. Here let me help you, when you click my post in the performance section you will be brought to the last page. Now what you want to do is click the link "original post" bottom right and scroll through from the begining. You will find that you have said it alot recently. Anything else I can help you with? Maybe my timeslips? Because I am scanning them in as soon as I find someone with a scanner or if I get the chance to use mine at work. Then we'll see who is the smart a$$. Notice how I haven't let jsut left this post?
personally I'm sick of your contentless posts and if you dont stop flapping your gums your gunna get a sway bar up your a$$!
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hybrid
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waltherone,
yeah it was a nice set-up. I have yet to build my engine, i keep changing my mind on what I want. I went as far as purchasing the rods, and was looking for the pistons when I decided to sell the rods.I've kinda decided to go on my quest of running 11's with a stock block, possible? yeah, been done? absoluty, crazy? definatly. It's not my only vehicle so i'm not worried about having to rebuild it.
I just cant give up racing, it's to much fun.
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ed
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Hondas don't have a frame! They are unibody or subrframe, not like the typical truck style frame. Just wanted to clear that up.
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hybrid
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ED,
Sorry for trying to get the point across in a few of words as possible, you know what I meant and i'm sure he does too. For those that don't understand here is what I was saying in as few words as possible.
I am removing my current engine,turbo and all parts that go along with it. Buying another civic but this time it's going to be a civic hatchback. I will then remove the engine from the civic hatchback and put it in my civic (current vehicle) coupe. I will then sell my civic coupe as it is. (rims,suspension,etc). Then i will get to work on the civic hatchback, by removing parts that are not required, such as interior,a/c,power windows,wiring (stereo,etc)...blah blah. Then prep the car for fresh paint, decide on my new suspension set-up, drop my engine/turbo into the civic hatchback and start looking for required safety gear (cage,etc)....That is what I meant by swapping chassis...Didn't mean it literally....
****BTW Not all information has been included in the above text to perform such task, this is just an outline of the tasks required to get a faster car cheaply as possible.***** Please do not attempt to perform such task by utilizing the above information. Some words have been changed or excluded to shorten the length of this reply.
happy now ed, Oh and thanks for clearing that up for the people who couldn't figure that out. Have a wonderful day.
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HYBRID: LOL!!!! THATS WHAT IM SAYING! EVERYONE HAS TO BE MR. SMARTY PANTS AND GET YOU FOR SOMETHING. YOU FIGURE YOUR ON A PERFORMANCE MESSAGE BOARD AND WOULDNT HAVE TO STATE THE OBVIOUS. I HATE RICERS BUT I LIKE IMPORTS, SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A NICE RIDE.
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stroker,
Thanks, i'm in the same boat as you. I hate ricers, this world is full of them. might I add that they don't only drive imports, they also come in the form of mustangs with mugen, yes mugen (mugen is to honda what mopar is to dodge) stickers, neuspeed, powered by,etc...euroclear (apc) tail lights, loud (excessivly) fart pipes, duel 3" exhaust doesn't belong on a v6 unless there are two large turbo's under that hood. I don't like body kits, cant stand wings, and exhaust systems that sound like a pack of angry bee's at 10,000 rpm.
I've also seen camoro's, ford ranger p/u's dodge trucks,cars basically anything from an acura to vdub riced out. The ratio of poorly done imports to nicely done imports is way off kilter 95%-5%. I'm done ranting about ricers....
Thanks, I tend to keep things simple, the exterior looks stock, with the addition of a set of wheels, a lowered stance, and a shinny chrome intercooler (kind of hard to hide, it fills my whole front grill)...interior is stock (3 gauges on the a-pilliar, NO monster tach) and the engine looks stock (not the factory motor) with the addition of the snail and a few feet of piping, no dress-up kit or fancy wiring (although it's hidden as best as possible)...just motor and turbo.....sorry i'm done now...get me started on my car i can go on all day....I love cars new or old.
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11/02/2004
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Is it a turbo kit or did you fabricate it yourself? I'm in the
middle of doing a new turbo kit for my mustang. Have
you seen Duners truck? He did a nice build but im
surprised there arent more turbocharged dakotas.
Building a homemade turbo is just as easy on a dakota
as it is on a mustang or any other car. Right now Im
trying to decide wether I want the wastegate to be
routed back into the down pipe or if I should just let it
out into the air. After this I want to try and turbo my other
dak. Its a 97 5.2.
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hybrid
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Fabricated my own kit using new parts.
Tried the whole used/junkyard turbo parts a few years ago on my stock engine, ran into to many problems so i swapped motors and built a new turbo kit using new parts. I had the old set-up running good for about one year before I decided I needed more power...
Currently my wg is venting out into the atmosphere, the dump tube is routed from the wg and exits just below the oil pan. Works for me, keeps the engine bay clean and makes people wonder why a honda makes a sound like that as it fly's down the track.
there is a place that makes turbo kits for all sorts of vehicles including dakotas, they are about an hour away from me, but i'll pass on the $6k price tag. I have about $4k into the turbo on my car, that includes fuel management (programable) along with tuning...I need to work a little more on the tune, getting 756cc injectors to run smoothly takes a bit of time. Once I get that taken care of I should see about another 20-25whp gain.
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stroker
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11/03/2004
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What do you think is the reason for the JY turbo not working as well as you wanted? Also, where did you buy the new parts from? Im looking for a good place to find some madrel bent tubing for the hot side. How much boost are you running with your setup? I'm still on the fence trying to decide wether I should go single or twin. The twin will be easier to setup but I will need 2 of everything. The single will be less expensive and less work but I'm not too excited about making the crossover tube from the other manifold. HOw fast does your turbo spool? I bet its a fun car to drive. I cant wait.
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hybrid
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11/03/2004
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I'm at work so yhis will be breif.
The j/y turbo was bad,went through several trying to find one that wasn't bad. Finally got one that worked but smoked like crazy, spent $300 rebuilding it and then it was great. I wanted more power so swapped engines, the turbo was then to small for the new motor so I called up www.cheapturbo.com and ordered a new garrett t3t4 hybrid, one size larger then they recomended (they recomended a .50 trim but went with a .57 trim)...what a difference it made over the old turbo (t3 .42/.48) way more peak power, at 6psi the new turbo pulled harder then the old turbo did at 10psi (same engine).I'm now wanting to swap my turbo out for either a T3 60-1, or a precision sc-61...both of which are a little larger then my current turbo.
I'm running 13psi on my engine now. it spools by about 2,250 rpm and full boost by about 4,800 rpm, just before the cams switch lobes. (from low cam lobes to high (vtec) )...it's fun to drive because once boost comes on, it pulls steady and fast to redline.traction is limited in the lower gears...
I would do the single turbo if your looking for more peak power and a strip car, twin turbo would provide less peak power but moreuseable power (broader power curve more suited for street driven)...
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Greg
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11/04/2004
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Since everyone here has gone to the turbo issue, I was just wondering if anyone here has seen the last or rather the November 2004 VOL 6 No 11 issue of STREET TRUCKS???
They have a very interresting turbo setup listed in the magazine... It's an inline with the regular exhaust type of setup... From the best I can tell the turbo is located underneath the truck bed where the muffler regularly goes... It says that this way has shown to be much better than traditional turbos, because there is no need for intercoolers, the pressure stays at is high peak where as an intercooler setup looses pressure as it goes through the intercooler... It comes with the wastegate and the whole kit to install it the best I can tell, but they only show it on the Chevy's, so I don't know about the Dodge's...
The website which I'm fixing to visit myself is ---
http://www.ststurbo.com
Well just thought it might be something worth considering building yourself... It would be much easier than fabricating Y-pipes and headers I assume...
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hybrid
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Greg,
I haven't seen that issue, but sounds interesting. It also sounds like they didn't do enough research for the article. Intercoolers are used to cool the charge temp, turbo location has nothing to do with charge temp. The heat from the turbo and the compression of the air is what causes the excess heat. The pressure drop caused by an intercooler is minimal (1psi) unless you have a poor flowing intercooler. The pressure drop can easily be combated by hooking the wastegate vacuum/boost source post intercooler (between the intercooler and intake manifold) the wastegate would see the same pressure the engine sees, instead of seeing whats leaving the turbo. So in essence the turbo will produce more boost but the engine will get the same amount. So say your running 10psi, add a big ass poorly flowing intercooler and now your engine is seeing 7psi, but the turbo is pushing 10psi (with the wastegate hooked to the compressor housing), now move the wastegate source from the compressor to the charge pipe, the turbo will push 13psi and the engine will see 10psi again.
I've never had an issue with pressure loss due to the intercooler.
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Lew360
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11/05/2004
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DFI - fuel map (8 stock injectors)
CARTECH FMU - Extra Injector in the airhat.
Just out of curiocity what are you using to drive that injector in the airhat? Is it just one injector or Two injectorS? Why don't you just step up to a set of 58lb injectors or larger if the truck really needs it? The DFI can control a 58lb. injector and still be driven on the street. It's all in the Fuel Map. It would be much safer and if you already spent all this money what is a set of injectors?
I'm still leaning toward not believing but I could be wrong. I know how light a RC Gen.II is and it is a whole lot lighter than a Gen.III RC. Would you be interested in e-mailing me your full mod list?
RC R/T, PPH headers, Flowmaster 50, No Cat, MSD 6a, BTM, IAT adjuster, Powerdyne Supercharger, M-1 4/2, Mopar PCM
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stroker
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11/05/2004
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winter is coming here and im getting ready to put the truck away so I havent had time to mess with the fuel map, and change the injectors...that will be next spring. I will right up a full mod list.
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