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Lew360
Thank you, i was just about to say that. The dfi system is a stand-alone fuel mangagement system kind of like the system I run (hondata).
not to be a dick but stroker if you really had a 9 second vehicle you would know more then you do, it takes a lot of knowledge to get a vehicle into the 9's. a fmu is a BASE for of fuel management, it's a crude way of tuning (if you want to call it that) and if you really cared about your motor you wouldn't use one. You lost my vote when you said you run 15psi and 100 shot of n20 to get you into the 9's, bs all the way, you'd be lucky if you run 12's with that set-up. fmu = crap for tuning. Sorry but have a nice day.
post up a dyno sheet, because you should have one. unless you tune off of a wide band o2 and the street, in that case your dumb if your running 9's on that crappy of a tune, and daily driven.
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stroker
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10/31/2004
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lol!
DFI - fuel map (8 stock injectors)
CARTECH FMU - Extra Injector in the airhat.
The tuning is sloppy but close. It was done by myself
and a guy thats been tuning carb hotrods and some
carb to EFI conversions. It is possible to tune without a
dyno. They never had dyno's back in the old days. yes
EFI is different than the old days but I'm sure if we had
the stuff we have to day for carb back then we would
have used it, but we just didnt have it, so we all found
another way around it (which is what I did). The trucks
manners on the street are fine due to the control over
the whole system. i didn't realize how in depth I was
going to have to explain this setup, I would have from
the start if I knew I was going to have to provide my
underwear size.
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yeeaahhright
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10/31/2004
11:41:48
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Stroker
Let me ask you this- where did you make this sub-10 sec. run?? Im sure you can provide this proof as well as how you weigh in at 3175lbs or whatever. How did you accomplish that drastic weight reduction?? New chassis/all fiberglass??
You must have had someone do most if not all the work because you don't have many answers to any of the questions being asked so far....
What rearend do you use?? Gear ratio?? What c/r with the blower/n2o?? You must reveal your secrets since you've come here to announce your incredible feats!!!!HAAHAHAHAHAHA....what a phucking imbecile.....
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Waltherone
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10/31/2004
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He's in a Gen 2 regular cab bud. My Gen 3 club cab weighed in at 3790 with me inside (buncha weight reduction). 3175 is TOTALLY doable, and believable, in a gen 2 RC truck.
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stoker
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10/31/2004
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yeeaahhright, why are you laughing so much? Are you alright
man? just like Waltherone said it is already a very light truck. It
has the summit racing plastic seats in it with the black covers,
all unneeded metal has been cut out of the engine bay,
especially in the passenger side fender flare where I have my
6x9 filter (big filter). You want more tiny details about my truck
to prove that its real? I have moroso sleevs over my ignition
wires, the shock bolts in the front keep snapping (what a bitch),
theres a cigarette burn in my new carpet, theres a small power
steering fluid leak, my backright taillight goes out every once
and a while, oh and my left rear tire needs air. Im not going to
go into every little detail for
someone like you because you dont deserve it, if someone was
looking fo info on my setup fine but your just looking for more
things to pick me apart no matter what I say.
It is an 8 3/4 rear with 4 10 gears and a mopar converter
(second one now) @ 2400 + transgo shift kit. The tires stand
about 28
inches tall (rear). Im digging up the slips tonight, I think they are
in my glovebox and I will scan them at work if I get the time.
"what a phucking imbecile....." < lol
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ed
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10/31/2004
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You only have a 2400 stall converter? And you are running 9's, now I don't believe it. That would mean you have a little above stock camshaft. No way. Honestly, are you running the 1/8th in that time? Behind my 350 right now I have a 3000 stall, with a camshaft with .494 lift and 236 degrees duration at .050". My truck is running like crap and I think I need alot more compression, but I am running 14.31 at 98.8 on street tires without getting into the throttle enough to spin the tires. There would have to be something special to run a 9 with that small of a cam and converter.
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Waltherone
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Well, it could be that he ran a 13.8 @ 99.8mph instead of 9.98 @ 138mph... I dunno what to believe, I'm just trying to be funny :P
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Greg
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OK, I really hate to butt in like this, but some on here need to get a few facts straight... I'm not going to take either side, but to start with there are a lot of turboed HONDA cars out there that are producing 5 - 6 hundred hp and are pulling off 9 second runs left and right, now they are extremely light and I understand that, but I was simply trying to point out that it is possible...
Another thing ED, you should really really get your facts straightened out... I know your just jumping on the band wagon "so to speak", but you must keep in mind that this is a Magnum engine... Just so everyone on here knows they run fairly high cams to begin with and coming straight out of the hughes engines cam listings he could be running anywhere from a cam listed as .520 on intake and .544 on exhaust "which is 2000 to 5800 rpm rated" to .544 on both intake and exhaust "which is 2300 to 6100 rpm rated" very very easily with the 2400 stall converter, heck he could even be running more than that slightly or the same cam profiles with different durrations...
I personally have a V6 "slightly moddified" and am running a cam profile with .512" lift on intake and .520" lift on the exhaust, "which is rated for the 1800 - 5500 rpm range", but that doesn't mean that I can't rev it up to 1000 rpm's and drop the clutch and still roast them off and I even have the stock high geared 5 speed with 3:21 rear gears... Of course the power doesn't really kick in until 3000 - 3500 rpm's...
So from the book I'm currently looking at you should be running " with 228 degrees duration at .050" on intake and 236 degree duration on exhaust " = .544" lift on intake and .568" lift on exhaust with the 3000 rpm stall converter... Or you could tighten up your durration a little and run a little lower lift... Of course you would need major head, valve train, and piston dome work, but that does make more since for your 3000 rpm stall converter...
Also all of the numbers stated above are from cams being used with 1.6 rockers...
Well I just thought I would throw that in :))
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ed
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So from the book I'm currently looking at you should be running " with 228 degrees duration at .050" on intake and 236 degree duration on exhaust " = .544" lift on intake and .568" lift on exhaust with the 3000 rpm stall converter... Or you could tighten up your durration a little and run a little lower lift... Of course you would need major head, valve train, and piston dome work, but that does make more since for your 3000 rpm stall converter...
Greg
Who are you aiming your banter at? And what are you trying to get across with this knowledge you are getting from a magazine? Are you talking about the 3000 stall converter in my truck or what? My cam with 1.6 rockers has .527 lift and 236 duration at .050". If you want the make, it is an Engel. You could have a cam with .700" and small duration of 220 or so and run a 2400 converter. but lift does not tell you what converter to go with, duration tells you what converter to go with. And why are you talking about piston dome? That affects compression, which you need for certain cam profiles. FYI I have KB flat tops.Just thought I would throw that in!
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stroker
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11/01/2004
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ED, if you didnt notice, I already listed my cam, krc 220.
KRC 220
220/230-507/507 114 Very strong strip/blower*** cam
for stock Magnum heads or R/T head combo's.
Requires M-1 intake, valvesprings, modified PCM,
ignition, gears*** and stall*****. Very powerful 318
camshaft******. Has run 13.6's on the motor in 97 body
318 regular cab's (remember mines a 94 reg cab). Will
produce 330 rear wheel on 360's with intake, heads
and exhaust mod's. Supercharged motors produce
450-500 rear wheel. Rough idle.
that is .050 duration with 1.6 rockers.
look here: http://www.gsmotorsports.com/
brian_officer.htm
he ran a 12.99 in MUCH heavier truck and OH MY
GOD! Woiuld you believe that! he has a 2400 stall???
Or here:
http://www.gsmotorsports.com/scott_quaranta.htm
he ran 11.27 at 122 with (about) the same power as I
have in a MUCH heavier truck!
Or you could do what one of your friends said to me
and go to the delphi board, start telling them their times
arent possible.
Your chevy engine's setup has nothing to do with my
setup, a 350 is the easy way out to making a
performance engine. Everything is cheap and easy to
find, I know because I have a white 66 chevellle sitting
in my yard ready for restoration (Im a chevy guy also).
because of that you wouldnt know about trying odd
things in a new setup because there is no setup thats
diferent for the 350. There is one other guy on this site
with a carbed 390 stoker and he is a very nice guy, I
have read alot of his posts. Find one person that has
my setup and I will be surprised, then begin comparing
that engine to mine. Would you even take your
camshaft and your stall out and just throw it in my truvk
right now? i dont think so! So dont talk like were talking
about apples and apples.
ED wasn't going anywhere with that info. if you decided
to read first you would have read which cam I have and
you would have read that he was just throwing the info
out there.
as far as pistons, they are ross light weights that I
bought from some guy who was building a 390 stoker. I
put the stroker kit togther myself with a hughes engines
crank. I'll check the compression again tonight, before I
put the blower on it was a little too high but that just
made it crazier! just a little less reliable.
Keep em coming...
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Wothless
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Die troll....
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Greg
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ED, I pointed out the cam lift and lobe duration of these cams because it is the rpm range that they are suppost to be used in, so it would only make since to use the stall converter that best goes with your cam specs to acheive the correct rpm range ussage would it not???
I pointed out the piston dome or piston top because after you increase your cam or lift to a certain point your piston domes or tops must have releifs cut out in them to keep the correct piston to valve clearance... I wasn't trying to make a compression issue out of it, just the valve to piston clearance...
Another thing in your original or last post before this last one you pointed out that you were running a cam with .494" lift and 236 degrees duration at .050" with the 3000 rpm stall converter and now your saying that your running a cam with .527" or possibly you were just pointing out that with the 1.6 rockers that's what you would have??? Your saying one thing then something completely different here unless you were pointing out that that's what it would be with the 1.6's... Oh and it's not a magazine, it's a parts catalog from hughes that I got the cam specs "that they have listed" for the magnums...
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stoker
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I noticed the same thing greg.
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ed
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I was just pointing out that my cam with 1.6 rockers would have .527" lift.I run 1.5 rockers. It is better to get a cam with more lift rather than going with a different ratio rocker. It is easier on the valve train.
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hybrid
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greg, those honda's are considerably lighter then 3,200 lbs. Depending on what class they race in, their minimum weight is 1,600lbs and most all of them are within a few lbs of that.
The pro racers that run consistant 9's and even 8's have far more then 500-600hp, they push upwards of 1000hp.
The masses that you see that run low 10's (there are a ton of then like you stated) and even high 9's are pushing more like 700whp. Pretty much the only sub-600hp honda's that run 10 or below are the all-motor guys.
As the power adders add up so does the weigh limits, for the most part the weight limits range from 1,600 1,800lbs (minimum).
As far as this topic (original post) goes i'm done with it.
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Capt. Picard
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11/01/2004
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With the assistance of my chief engineer Jordy Laforge, we put a galaxy class Warp drive under the hood of my Dak, I am now able to go from 0 to 250,000 miles per second in about 50 milliseconds, pretty cool, EH?
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stroker
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18:53:20
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Capt. picard:
Im sorry that you are to much of a dumba$$ to understand an engine and give any constructive feedback.
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Waltherone
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hybrid,
There are turbo hondas here in houston that have run 11's and 10's on FAR less than 1000hp. And these are street cars (that is, full factory frame cars). Gutted interiors perhaps, but full body and full frame cars none the less. By ABSOLUTELY NO means are they 1600lb cars.
1000HP (even crank HP) in a 1600lb car is gonna move you a hell of a lot faster than 9 seconds, unless you're racing up hill and towing a trailer or something..
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Dr X
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11/01/2004
20:23:40
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who the fuk cares a$$hat... we arent having an import discussion. Go back under your rock
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wally parks
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lol @ the a$$hat reference.
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