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wally parks
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10/29/2004
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BULLSH!T...ya, i know i keep saying that. show me a video of you or Ron Merricks truck making a 1/4 mile pass (with the et posted on the board) and i'll shut the phuck up. other than that, it's all.....well you know the rest
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hybrid
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Eventhough he's spinning his tires for 75 yards that doesn't mean he's not accelerating fast. Hell my tires spin most all of the first 2 gears and I still manage some decent times considering the amount of power i'm putting down. My trap speeds show it too.
I'm not saying that I believe him and i'm not calling him a liar because I've never raced my truck so I cant begin to assume what it takes to get it to run 9.98 @138mph. What I do know is that for my car to run 9's it would take about 600whp, in a car that weighs 2,000 lbs ( mind you it's a fwd and has 1/3rd the displacement) I also know that 15psi of boost isn't a lot of pressure (I believe most street kits run 6-8psi and add about 100hp). I'm just having a hard time believing that his set-up makes anough power to get down the 1320 that fast, esp considering his weight.Once again I'm not calling him a liar, I just need proof to believe it completely. BTW Yeah I know fwd and rwd is two totally different worlds, but we all race on the same turf,and traction is all the same, i've seen some honda's pull low 60' times (1.4) and we all know anything below 1.6 is damn good fwd or rwd.
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ed
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10/29/2004
21:24:22
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Speaking of imports, I know a guy who is in his 40's believe it or not driving a 1990 civic hatch that has dynoed 578 crankshaft horsepower, I believe it is turboed, he runs 12.2 at 118 mph. So a 9 second 2000 lb car will need more than 600whp to run a 9. Because assuming a 15% hp loss on a manual transmission, 578 crank hp is 491hp at the wheels and is 3 seconds from a 9.2. thats alot to make up.
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10/29/2004
21:42:44
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Just a question about eds statement. Why would you lose 15HP because of a manual transmission.
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Old Fool
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10/30/2004
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In order to run the time specified by Stroker he would need to develop 641 RWHP Minimum at his specified weight to achieve that, with perfect traction and launch. 641 RWHP adding back say 15% for a stick means it needs at least 737 Crank Horsepower to run the 9.98 @ 138 mph. Now if he is spinning as far as he seems to think he is then add another 100 crank HP to catch up and run that time means 837 CRANK HP. Do you see where I'm going with this. Now at 15 PSI of boost (not happening without ringing the heads on a Magnum engine Minimum because of the 4 bolt head pattern), and the engine is built fairly bullit proof to get say 375 HP running NA with the 8.0 to 1 pistons and chambers because it is boosted then with 80% volumetric efficientcy the best he will get over NA is 675 Crank. Which still leaves a discrepincy power to weight ratio for ET Indicated.
I'm not saying he is lying, I just need some videos and dyno sheets for me to believe it. And yes I have seen every video of Big Bird, AKA Ron Merc. I know what his truck will run and it Aint no 9s. And he is running a R-3 340 block last I heard. I could be wrong on that, you know how hear say is.
I need some of those drugs he's getting. I need some visions and color patterns also.
Later,
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what the
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10/30/2004
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What is that smell ?
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wally parks
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10/30/2004
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lol
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ed
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10/30/2004
11:24:02
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15% drivetrain loss.auto is 20%
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stroker
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10/30/2004
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The block has been re-ringed blueprinted etc. and I do
get that extra 100 HP from the nitrous. I also own a 88
mustang GT with a 347 stroker in it and a custom turbo
made up a two blowers off of an 86 T-Bird. My car ways
3,000 pounds with me in it and has about 500 HP
because I drive it on the street and want to keep it
under control. The car runs consistant 10's with a
forged main support, complete re-ringed, level 30 cnc
machined block from dss engines. You cant start
comparing cars times because EVERY car is
different!!! You cant just talk about weight and
horsepower. next time you want to compare a car or
even another truck to my truck make sure you list tire
sizes, suspension, rear end (posi? LS? open? locker?)
rwd? fwd? autmoatic? manual? do they know how to
drive? ride heght for aerodynamics? There are guys
with stock 5.0 mustangs running 12's just from
suspension mods and tweaking the settings. Its not all
about huge power its about the whole setup.
Wally, search for the fastest street driven r/t and you will
find a very long post all about the day that ron made
that run. What do you drive? To me it sounds like you
dont drive at all! You just sit at your computer eating
cheetos waiting for "stroker" to add another post that
you can rip apart and feel like a big hero.
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hybrid
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10/30/2004
12:41:36
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ED, your 40 year old friend he needs to learn to drive.
My car dyno'd at 248whp and 175 ft lbs of tq. That was with 9psi of boost. I raised the boost to 13psi but havn't made it back to the dyno to check my hp numbers. I estimate my hp to be around 300whp, my tuning is all up to par so it's not important to me to get the exact numbers. With that minimal amount of hp I run consistant 12.5's @ 116 - 118mph, with my best et being 12.4 @ 118mph.
I am a set of slicks and about 100 lbs away from 11's, it's going to happen next spring so I will keep you updated because I have a project in the works (transfering my engine set-up to a lighter chassis with a cage)...Oh did I mention that my car does NOT weigh 2000 lbs, it weighs in at about 2,350 with me in it ( I weigh 175lbs)...
Where did his 578 hp number come from? engine dyno? most people use a chassis dyno so they get whp number then calculate crank hp. Whats his set-up if you don't mind me asking.
Here is a video of a 430whp honda civic racing another vehicle, thats what 430whp is capable of in a 2000 lb car,
http://www.cheesefrog.com/frog/cheezevsal.mpg
that's a modefied viper that he's racing, look closely and you'll see that the civic's parking brake was on the entire race (by accident) the rear disk starts to glow red once they get going. Now tell me that 578whp and 12.2 makes sense, did he have a 3.5 60' time or something? I have more video's if you like,
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10/30/2004
12:55:12
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Just copy and paste that link.
It takes about 300whp (with forced induction) run run low 12's high 11's depending on the weight of the chassis ( on average about 2,300lbs) with over 500hp he should be deep into the 10's easily, with a set of 26" slicks and the rite suspension set-up he could possibly even dip into the low 10's. i've been a part of import racing for about 6 years, back when a 12 second honda was big news and everybody said that a fwd would never run 11's, well they did. They now run (last I checked) low 8's ( I havent opened up a mag or watched it on tv in a long time, been to busy with my own stuff).
Sorry stroker not tying to steal your post.
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jjj
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10/30/2004
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He needs about 650 HP which is possible, but his suspension is working much better than he thinks OR it is laying down on top.
If spinning badly the trap speed should be much higher. Don't believe me, what are the trap speeds of the ones who race in the 9.8 sec. class?
To get that HP reliably though I would venture either there are other mods he hasn't mentioned or he has a very meticulous engine builder!
Good job if you aren't blowing smoke!
Who did your fuel and ignition system or are you running a stand alone system?
Jeff
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stroker
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10/30/2004
14:52:18
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I use 30 lb injectors with high pressure fuel lines and
stock fuel system exccept for an electric in-line and and
a 255 in tank pump. 30 might not seem like enough but
I think the fmu has been doing a good job at making
sure there is anough fuel. I was only running in the 10's.
I added a fiberglass hood, put some timing back in,
used race gas and ended up with the 9.8, Yes the
engine was a very detailed build. I think the engine has
been doing really good and beause it has been doing
really good, i beleive thats why it responded so well to
the race fuel and the timing setting.
I just whish I could get it to hook right off the line. Ive
tried alot of different setups but cant get it just right for
street and track.
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stroker
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10/30/2004
14:56:51
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I also added a return line to the fuel system because of
that (smoke). It was running at little too rich at idle. I
added the return line and now there is just enough in
the rail at all times. I also have an aeromotive fuel
pressure reg. The ignition is your just your standard
MSD 6a with the boost timing module (pulling 2).
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hybrid
Dodge Dakota
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10/30/2004
16:35:57
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Very detailed build-up of the motor and your running a fmu?
Either you like to live life on the edge, or don't mind risking your motor. What ratio?
Fmu's = a very crude way of tuning, sorry but I don't believe this now.
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wally parks
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10/30/2004
17:12:58
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stroker, as i said earlier, possible? yes. likely? no. so, in your defense i dug around a bit and found this from dragtruk.com:
http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/DDB0BHKMFV3B.html
this is for real. and yes, i know it's not a dakota. a street truck nonetheless.
i still think your story is bullsh!t because youre spinning the tires a third of the way and you still claim that you ran that et/speed. get some slicks and a video camera and convince me and everyone else on this board. may i suggest that you take your story and try to sell it to the delphi r/t board. they will chew you up and spit you out. heres the url: http://forums.delphiforums.com/dakotart/start
just bring it!
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I was just using this guys car as an example of how having all that power is not really doing anything because 12.2 with 578 crank hp is terrible. I will try and find out more about the car. I know he blew the stock diff and axles. So now there is an aftermarket one in there. I wish I had kept the auto section paper that his car was in, telling what it had and how much power it made. I know that 600 crank hp in my little s10 is supposed to be good for consistent 10 second passes. And that is in a 3000 lb truck with me in it.
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21:16:57
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Ed,
You are correct about that, having all the power in the world does you no good if you cant make use of it.
Breaking the stock cv joints is common when you run slicks, they make aftermarket ones but at $1,000 for a set (only rated to 400hp, and about $2,000 for some that are rated for 600+ hp for the warantee that is).
Havent heard about the differential breaking before, maybe he had a "phantom grip" lsd that broke? They are common problems.
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stroker
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10/31/2004
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I already have the link to the delphi board. I got alot of
information on my setup from reading the posts there. I
have the FMU because of the boost! You cant have fuel
for 15psi running at idle. That would be way too much. I
tune it with the accel dfi system. Whatever guys, im sick
of posting this crap. if it will make you feel better, great
you won, you proved me wrong, you want a cookie? In
the mean time I will be working on my truck.
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Lew360
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10/31/2004
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"I have the FMU because of the boost! You cant have fuel for 15psi running at idle. That would be way too much. I tune it with the accel dfi system."
I was actually believing the whole thing till I saw you post that. "IF" you really have Accel DFI you wouldn't need a FMU you could tune it with the DFI. If you don't know that then you don't have a 9 Second truck PERIOD END OF STORY.
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