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Alec
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10/03/2004
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I always wondered if an electric supercharger would be a nice idea to actually create. Well, i finally saw a real one put onto the market, and I was wondering about getting it. Im guessing it probably creates around 3lbs of pressure, and thats the best upgrade you could get for any car for under $200!!! Maybe this product is a joke, but just think how efficient an electric supercharger would be. It will cost much less than a belt driven one, and produce around a third as much power. Im sure that anyone would pay $200 to add on 30 extra horses.
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gen1dak
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10/03/2004
09:48:40
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Subtract from the alleged power increase, the horsepower drain the alternator will apply constantly to supply enough power to run such a device, and you wind up spittin' in the wind.
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silver5.9 qc
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10/03/2004
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AMEN!!!!!
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.boB
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10/03/2004
11:26:08
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These "electric turbochargers" show up on the market pretty often, usually on e-bay. I guess because there's a sucker born every minute, and they will buy them.
The product is really nothing more than a marine bilge vent fan. I think West Marine sells them for about $25. They are great for powered foot vents, that's about it.
Do the math, and think about how much air your engine moves at 3,000 rpm's. Then figure out how much air you'de have to move to actually create pressure. That's a big fan that draws a lot of power. You'de need a huge alternator, probably two, to make that kind of power.
An exhaust driven turbo turns at over 10K rpm.
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N56629
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10/03/2004
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I was going to install my Black&Decker leaf blower in place of the CAI, but I couldn't find a long enough extension cord.
Should I opt for the gas driven version?
ROTFLMAO
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prple-gaseatr
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10/03/2004
16:36:36
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good one!
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Greg
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10/03/2004
23:08:35
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I've heard a few different stories on these and just like anything else they do make bigger and smaller units, so I found the biggest one that was advertised on EBAY and started asking the guy a lot of different questions about the product... Even with this being the biggest that I could find, he said that it would only produce around 1 psi...
So I asked him about the air question as in it may provide a little boost to begine with, but what happens after a few rpms, lets say 2000 and up and he said that I wouldn't have to worry about that because it would be able to handle it and that his brother or something like that had gotten 30 extra hp at the rear wheels and that was what the dyno had told him...
Then I went on about thinking on how in the world he could have gotten 30 hp out of this due to the fact that it only produces "and I'm betting it's not even that much" 1 psi, not to mention regular turbos and superchargers alike, producing 6 - 8 psi are only getting maybe 50 - 85 hp and most of those are with intercoolers on the smaller motors and then a lot more on the bigger motors, so how is 1 psi making 30 hp??? I could see this giving you better off line response since it is maxed out in it's boost while the motor is at idle, but that's only over a naturally aspirated engine only... Maybe 5 extra hp would be produced by this off of the line, but I bet that's even pushing it... Then I'm sure after you had a few rpm's starting to build up it would rob power due to the fact that the engine is now having to pull air through the now slower moving incoming air that's having to come through the electric supercharger... So until I see some actual dyno test done with this being the only mod, I seriously doubt I'm going to be buying one in the near future...
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.boB
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10/05/2004
00:21:39
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Good for you! Use your head before opening your wallet.
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GraphiteDak
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10/05/2004
02:35:21
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A turbo turns a sh*t load more than 10K RPM's. More like 50K+ I believe.
And paxton and the similar centrifugal types must turn a crap load too.
First you have like a 8" or so main pulley. Turning a 3 inch or smaller pulley on the S.C. and inside those types of S.C. they go throu gears to multiply the rotor speed a few mor times. So at 6K RPM's the S.C. drive pulley is probably doing near 20K (like an altenator would be) and multiplied thro the S.C. internal gears it would be 50k+ I would bet since it's using a rotor similar to a turbo driven rotor.
Most electric motor don't even touch 1500 RPM's (1.5 K) to compare. The fan would have to be HUGE to privide any boost.
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10/05/2004
08:42:06
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24K rpm's
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N56629
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10/05/2004
10:47:09
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I have just 24 lots left for sale in Florida, each with beutiful views of the mountains. They are yours for just $19.95 + shipping and handling.
Hmm, maybe I can make everyone a deal if there is a group buy.
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AtlDak
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10/05/2004
11:13:07
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Holy Sh*t! Now I truly believe the end of the world is near!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL! People will sell anything!
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Izzy
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10/05/2004
11:43:23
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and I have 3 lots left here in Florida...in a hurricane free zone at that.
I thought about plumbing in some tubing into my intake and injecting high pressure CO2 while laying into the pedal, that should create some serious power....J/K lol
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GraphiteDak
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10/05/2004
20:24:06
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24K RPM motor??? My A$$!!!!
That would be some feat. Just think most A/C motors run around 1075 RPM , depending on how many poles they have.
DC brush style will go as fast as they can until they run out of torque to increase speed, but nothing near a fraction of those kind of RPM's. Not even unloaded. You would need a motor close to the size of your starter then have to use some sort of gear multiplication to turn a rotor that fast. And if possible 30HP would have to draw from somewhere, and that would be more than the altenator could handle not too mention at 12VDC you would need large gauge wiring, etc.
I call B.S. big time!
You know. After typing this I just realized Mr. ? may have been messing with us using good immagination. There wasn;t even a url link in that post to go look ourselves.
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Greg
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10/06/2004
13:26:55
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Yall should check this out if it hasn't allready ended by the time you check on it...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33741&item=7926139318&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Now you can't tell me that this guy isn't lying through his teeth...
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TexasTodd
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10/06/2004
14:51:51
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A few years ago, when 'Bernd Raatch' was still around, this was dynied by him I think. He put two of them in series, and got about 10hp, I think,
I'm too busy now, but a search of the archives will find a thread on this type of blower.
I even made a post about adding a 2 cycle grass blower, to my CAI. Which I didn't do by the way.
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slopehead
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10/06/2004
17:30:19
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graphit you are way out in left field on that one, there are A.C. frequency drives that run over 20,000 rpm used by machine tool manufacturers in milling machines. I have 2 Haas (the same machine tool builder that sponsors a NASCAR car) VF2 machines with 14,000 rpm direct drive A.C. frequency drive motors in them out on my shop floor right now machining hi-density plastic at speeds you would not believe. The motors are rated at 20 hp. each with full torque available from 45 rpm. all the way to full tilt. You really should research a bit more before you post and end up with foot in mouth. see the machines at www.haascnc.com
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Alec
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10/06/2004
22:19:14
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okay, first of all....
All the negative responses were so cute. It was so sweet to read them.
Alrright, next i said the idea of an elctric supercharger would be an awesome idea, but there's always the people who just like to put other people down. I love those people, ya know. They dont really ever do stuff themselves, so they put others down for it.
An efficient (alrady said this) elctric supercharger could work. It just depends on how well it is made. Yes, there are jokes out there. ( I already said this, because i was wondering if anyone has bought one, or made one, but guess NOT!)
last of all.....
I like Kool-Aid
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Buck Harley
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10/08/2004
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3 PSI boost.. Hummm were is the part were you add more fuel to the Eng. more air means more fuel. at least with my SC I have 2 extra 36lb injectors in the system and computer to control it all
Buck
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jasonsdakota
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10/09/2004
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kool-aid is stupid.
i added some to my gas tank once at a ratio of 1/10 and it did nothing to help my performance. alec, you need to do more research before posting these crazy forum ideas, mmm k
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Jimmy Jones
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10/09/2004
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I like kool aid too !
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