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Hurl
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8/18/2004
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I can't claim much with respect to maintenance since my truck only had 2000 miles on it when I left for the road trip.
I did have a 2003 CC, 4x4 (no AWD), 3.92's and it got only 17mpg hwy.
There is such a marked difference in our findings that I'm stumped.
Incidently, my road trip was to pick up a used tonneau cover (gull wing fiberglass). I got better milage on the way there (before cover) than the way back with the cover. That could be due to head winds.
For the record, my trip was from Seattle to Spokane and back (using I-90)
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dptdak
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8/18/2004
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my best mpg was from hershey pa to gettysberg pa with the a/c on and my wife in the passenger seat. 18mpg it was prob 90% highway though the previous bet was 15mpg city and highway mixed.
99 cc 5.2 4x4 w/tonneau cover.drop in k+n relocated ait fresh plugs trans tune-up 355 lsd
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Mikes99Dakota
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8/19/2004
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In my RC 318 dakota I have averaged a 60%
Highway and about 40% city.....driving it right
and romping on it twice i think and I got like 15
mpg...which was sotra surprised but still
nothing like my 3.9....on avreage it got like
17-18 but i will never miss the power....it didnt
have like my small block!!!
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Steves 4D Toy
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8/19/2004
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I've got a 2001 QuadCab 4.7/ 5speed. I'd swear last year I was getting 23+ mpg. Now I'm lucky to get 17avg mpg. It seems to stay between (15-17)avg mpg. I've only been able to find 1 vacuum leak, after it was fixxed still no improvement. I'll admit My driving habits have changed, with the truck getting older and all. Any ideas, please let me know!! If you know of any DIY Air/Fuel Tuning or performance mods, I'd like that info; if you are willing to share.
Thanks!!
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ricardcapecod
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8/19/2004
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Hi Hurl. I don`t expect most of you to believe me. I know it is very very difficult to reach these numbers,( for those that don`t exercise training). You stated that the only difference in our trucks was the model year or whatever, but, i`ll have to desagree on that. I can garantee that the majority of our differences reside on the management of the right foot. One other thing is that my after market parts give me an extra 3 MPG at any circunstance compared to the original setup. Also, set your head computer on the instantaneous consumption mode, and start to get familiar with the relation of these instant numbers, (consumption on that exact moment), and the moviment of your foot. Note how incredible sensitive our trucks are. If driving for economy, forget the cruise control. It will hurt your average as it will inject a lots of extra fuel when you`re going up hill, trying to keep up on the set speed. You better loose a few MPH on up hill (5 to 10 depending on the steepness). If you want 70 MPH average, instead of cruise control, go up to 75 on down hill and 60 or 65 at the top of the hill. I live on cape cod and i don`t care about gas cost. What i really like is to be able to have a incredible efficient personal way of driving, and yet, being able to go from point A to B,faster then most and consuming less gas then any V6 or V8 truck that i know. My ego loves when they don`t believe me. Peace to all.
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bad MPG
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8/20/2004
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8.5 city (ride to work is only 2 miles )13.5 - 14 hwy ! getting worse as time goes on .. 99 4x4 slt w/5.2 - 27k - red line synt. in trans -both pumpkins and transfer case- mobil 1 in engine - k&n fipk ll - flowmaster - 31x10.50 bfg at's --any ideas on how to improve it ???
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9/23/2004
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It is a PROVEN FACT that switching to synthetic lubricants vs. conventional crude oil increases your miles per gallon.
I have an onboard indash computer in my Lexus that monitors my Total Miles, My Current MPG, My Average MPG, my average MPH, my MPG since the last fill-up, etc.
I purposefully ran the odometer to 9,000 miles using Castrol GTX from the Quickie-Lube (changing the oil every 3,000 miles) ... before I switched to Amsoil 100% True Synthetic SAE 5w-30 which is the oil recommended for most Dakotas..
I do this with every new vehicle ... to test the oils by performing Used Oil Analysis, to monitor how much quieter it is using Amsoil, to monitor the fact that the engine runs cooler using Amsoil, and to monitor any positive changes in MPG using Amsoil.
I must see positive results with my own eyes to be able to truthfully talk about Amsoil.
The truth ...
After switching from Castrol GTX (at 9,000 miles) to Amsoil ... my average MPG (per tank) driving a combination of city and highway (living in Manhattan, NYC and commuting to my office across the GW Bridge in New Jersey) went from an average of 16.2 MPH over the test run of 9,000 miles using Castrol, to 18.1 MPG for the next 15,000 miles using Amsoil, averaging approximately 26+/- MPH.
18.1 MPG using Amsoil ... vs. 16.2 using Castrol ... a 13% increase
My vehicle currently has 24,000 miles on the odometer, the engine runs cooler, the engine runs quieter, and I am getting better gas mileage.
FYI ... The last long distance all highway miles trip I drove was to Lake George, New York and back, 200 miles each way, and I actually averaged 24 miles to the gallon on that trip ... using Amsoil SAE 5w-30 100% True Synthetic Oil ... and I believe I beat the window sticker ... and that was driving 75 mph +/-.
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I have experienced the same (or similar) results in my last 3 "new" vehicles (all three had in-dash on-board computers), except for a "used" Jeep Wrangler that was purchased with 21,000 miles on the odometer, testing between 21k and 30k using dino, and then testing from 30k forward using Amsoil. The Jeep tests were less scientific and factual. The Jeep did not have the computer system.
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Industry tests have shown improved fuel economy of 2 - 5% in vehicles using synthetic lubricants vs conventional "dino" lubricants.
However, it has been my experience that most people that switch see between 4% - 10% increase in mpg.
My results were excellent ... a 13% Increase!
Your results may be different. It may depend on the vehicle.
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Bob Lincoln
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9/23/2004
18:19:08
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"It is a PROVEN FACT that switching to synthetic lubricants vs. conventional crude oil increases your miles per gallon."
"Your results may be different. It may depend on the vehicle."
Inconsistent statements that ruin your credibility for this argument.
We have 3 vehicles in the family, and I also take care of my dad's two cars. All 5 have been monitored for gas mileage each tankful since acquired. Running synthetic made them idle smoother and start faster when cold, but NONE OF THE FIVE CARS EXHIBITS ANY improvement in gas mileage at all from synthetic oil. This is based on tens of thousands of miles EACH.
Synthetic has longevity benefits, but measurably better gas mileage is not one of them.
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jeremiah2360
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9/23/2004
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03 qc 4x4 auto 3.55 open 40k s&b drop-in,plat-+4`s 4418`s,180 t-stat,Amsoil in the engine,trans,and diffs,using a fuel additive-cleaner-combustion enhancer called Fuel Power.
Lately high 14`s mixed. I don`t baby it either. I drove from Dedham to Cape Cod,60 miles,no traffic,cruise set at 65 and got 20.88! I was shocked. Stop and go and around town really kills my mileage.
Also noticed it pinged at wot in summer using 87 with AC on going from like 40 to 70 mph. Tried the new V-Power,no more pinging but with a six point increase it shouldn`t. Using 89 now which is more economical and no pinging.
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9/24/2004
06:27:45
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Bob Lincoln,
Call my statements "wrong" if you wish,
but my on-board computer does not lie.
Actually my statement WAS wrong ... I have experienced the same (or similar) results in my last FOUR "new" vehicles --- two Lexus SUV's and a BMW --- (these three had in-dash on-board computers) and one that I forgot to mention which was my wife's Honda.
My statements were correct!
"Your results may be different. It may depend on the vehicle."
The two Lexus SUV's experienced a greater increase (stated as a percentage) in MPG switching to synthetic than did my BMW or my Honda. Probably because they started at a lower MPG to begin with than the Honda ... and my BMW was a 5-speed with a "hot racing chip" and I drove it VERY hard.
"It is a PROVEN FACT that switching to synthetic lubricants vs. conventional crude oil increases your miles per gallon" --- per many lab tests, real world testing, ... and from my own personal experiences!
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Bob Lincoln
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9/24/2004
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I never said your statements were incorrect. I said they are inconsistent. They contradict each other. First you insist that it is a proven fact that synthetics increase gas mileage (which would mean ALL cars). Then you say that results may vary (which can mean NO improvement).
The gasoline receipts and odometers speak for themselves. Five different vehicles, all in top condition, no improvement at all. None.
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TERRY
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9/25/2004
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I agree I have synthetic in engine, trans, and rear end with no noticable difference in mileage.
I do still run it though, for the lubrication properties it has.
And it sure as hell isn't amsoil spammer oil, the way I see it is if you can't afford T.V. marketing, you must not be that good.
These phony gains they post don't help either, any moron can tell it's fake.
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9/25/2004
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Terry, you stated ...
" ...if you can't afford T.V. marketing, you must not be that good."
Do you REALLY believe the advertisements on television? Read the FINE PRINT disclaimer after the Castrol television commercial ...
"This Castrol HYDROCRACKED FAKE PRETEND SYNTHETIC OIL was not tested against true synthetics ... but is was tested against an average conventional dino oil."
I suppose you believe Dan Rather and CBS News also. Ha Ha!
Give me a break please!
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FUEL ECONOMY
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. If you fill up at a warmer part of the day one week compared to the previous week you can sometimes see a huge fluctuation in MPG just based on that. Also, the pump may have stopped pumping sooner this week compared to last, making it "seem" like you used less (or more) gallons of fuel.
It has been proven by Amsoil (and other leading oil manufacturers and suppliers) through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations (and as witnessed by most of our customers), that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg) ... and my on-board computers do not lie.
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9/25/2004
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Depending upon your driving habits, conditions, and climate ... switching viscosities can improve fuel economy also. I've observed a MPG increase when switching grades (5w-30 vs. 10w-40).
Tighter government regulations and increases in engine manufacturers’ demands are calling for more fuel efficient lubricants. Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils reduce friction and drag better than petroleum oils, resulting in significant fuel economy increases.
In a 1.2 million mile demonstration, AMSOIL Lubricants showed a 4.5% increase in gas mileage. Other tests have shown increases of as much as 15% under certain weather and driving conditions.
Yet, because every vehicle is different, as are driving habits and conditions, it is difficult to accurately project an exact increase.
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Dr. D
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9/26/2004
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AMSOIL sure made one heck of a difference in my vehicles.
1995 SC w/V-6 - 2 mpg increase with oil alone (10w-30)
1998 Cummins Ram - almost 3 mpg with AMSOIL bumper to
bumper including AMSOIL FlowzAir 2-stage filter.
Come ride with me and I can prove to you that a good synthetic
oil DOES improve fuel economy.
Dr. D
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Bob Lincoln
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9/26/2004
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There's nothing you can do to prove that to me. I switched my 92 Daytona over to synthetic at 130, 390 miles. I had previously been using Castrol conventional oil. I ran Mobil One for 22 oil changes, that's 109,000 miles. No difference in gas mileage. I drive 40 miles each way to work on the highway, and it's very consistent and very repeatible. There is less than 1 mpg difference in 35 mpg; and you can't get any better resolution than that in deciding what influenced it.
Been running Valvoline 10W-30 last 3 oil changes (9,000 miles), and guess what? NO drop in gas mileage.
Synthetic is great for longevity and reduced wear, but no noticeable improvement in gas mileage for 5 different vehicles in my family. That's enough to tell it has no effect.
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Dr. D
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9/26/2004
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Well I guess that everyone who claims better fuel economy is
achieved by using synthetics is incorrect.
Am I correct or incorrect Mr. Lincoln ?
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Wadak
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9/26/2004
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I know for a fact that switching from conventional oil in my 97 Dak v6 has increased my gas mileage by 2mpg. I check my gas mileage every tankful using the trip odometer and the same gas pump every time if possible. My wife gives me a bad time about being such a stickler for checking mileage on all 3 of our vehicles. Iwant to know if my maintenance and modifications pay off in mileage increases.
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Mark
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9/26/2004
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Ive been using synthetic for the past 100,000 miles and expected my engine to be tired... instead it dynoed like this at the rear wheels with 130,000 miles:
-Mark Hryckiewicz
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Mark.DodgeDakotas.com
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9/27/2004
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THANK YOU Dr. D., Wadak, and Mark,
Using the Lexus OEM factory computer ...
my results were excellent ... a 13% Increase!
My on-board computer does not lie.
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