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David
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
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My apologies for yet another question, but I will be doing my first oil change over the weekend and would like to know what all of you recommend as the best oil and filter around...
Thanks once more for your help,
David
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kennungesser
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6/15/2001
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I use Moble 1. There is more personal prefrence on this subject than almost anything else. I don't think there is that much difference between synth. oil overall.
Befor you change to synth. , how many miles do you have on the truck? If you have over 45k or so , I would not go to synth. , as there is a chance it may leak out. I had this happen on my 2.2 shadow.
And welcome to the best place for info on the web for Daks, the people here are grade A in my opinion, they have really healped me out.
Kenneth l Nungesser
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
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Mobil 1 10w30. Since about 30k.. used schaefers race blend before that.. it was a part synthetic.
Going to run Mobil 1 in the Stang as soon as I can get some 5w20
www.krawdaddy.net
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
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I am currently useing Penzoil Synthetic but I normaly use Mobile 1 10w30. I have been reading alot of info from Amsoil and I am considering the use of their products. I think that from what I have read the two best in the industry are Amsoil and Redline. It is looking like Redline is best for race use and that Amsoil is best for extended drain intervails in daily drivers. This is just what I have gathered from reading information at various sites. I am going to test this penzoil at 5000 miles and then I will test the Mobile 1.......If someone else has already done this then please post your results.
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kj
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
19:27:21
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Hey Kraw, I think Amsoil has 5W-20 out now if I'm not mistaken and you are interested. David, I've always kind of liked Mobil 1 synthetic oil and filters. I've used them ever since my Dak was new and I'm happy with how the package performs. Engines just seem to run a little smoother on true synthetics to me. There is one popular synthetic oil on the market now that is nothing more than high grade mineral oil. I'm not going to mention names but there was a high profile court case some time ago concerning it. I've used it and it pours, looks, and performs like regular oil. If you want to run regular oil it's more important to keep after your oil change schedule than individual brand names. If the local Big K or Auto Zone doesn't have my Mobil 1 filter I generally go for a Wix or one of their clones such as Napa Gold or CarQuest. AC Delco has worked well for me as have Purolator filters also.
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Ryan Kane
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
21:23:37
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I am an Amsoil dealer, but I do not promote or advertise their items via message boards as I think that is a waste.
I will say, however, that I have used K&N oil filters in the past, while using Valvoline and Castrol synth oils and have experience very good results. I even went as far as 8,000 miles between changes using this setup without any regrest - the filter did a great job keeping everything clean. Oils today really dont break down in my opinion unless you are racing, or hauling big heavy items, stuff like that. Even offroading and stop and go traffic doesnt pose much threat to breaking down your oil if using a good synth oil and filter.
If you want to take it a step further, consider using a bypass filter alongside the oil filter, and use a remote filtration system to relocate these filters to a more convenient area inside the engine compartment for changes. I have seen people go 300,000+ miles without needing an oil change, but did change the filter about every 15,000 miles. There's a good chance the oils dont get dirty or break down if using the right setup. You can contact them for information.
I am not familiar with Redline Oils. Before you decide, I would check them out too. Consult Bernd on that one. Make sure you do not have any oil leaks before taking these routes, or it will be a waste of money.
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David
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
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Went with Mobil 1 10w30 Trisynthetic and filter. I don't think I've ever spent more for a oil change :-) Should I still follow the same oil change schedule with a synthetic?
I was able to get at the filter, but not without a stream of dirty oil running down my hand and arm. Sometimes I think these car manufacturers assume we all have lifts. On a lift, getting at this filter would be no problem. Still, the truck is so high off the ground, I don't need to jack it up to get underneath, so for me that's a good payoff...
Thanks for all your comments,
David
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
10:04:25
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I have read a published test. What they did was get engines that were exactily the same and in each one put the oil companies best synthetic oil. They also had a few engines with regular oil. Then they started it up and ran them exactly the same for a long time at all diffrent revs. ALL engine were reving the same. Then they took apart the motors and measured the scratches. All then engine oil did there job and the scratches left were well with in the expected range but these are the oils that won the smallest and least scratches.
1. Amzoil
2. Castrol Syntec
3. Redline.
4. Quakerstate
5. Penzoil
6. Mobil 1
End of synthetics
6. Castrol GTX
7. Quakerstate Synthetic blend
So i would go with Castrol becasue they are cheaper then Amzoil and you can buy it any where. Plus the scoring was so close you could almost give castrol and amzoil a tie.
But one more time let me say that all of these oils are great and the results were close and i didnt post the scores because i lost the paper and dont remember them. If i find it i will post them.
Also they warned to stay away from Fram and Quakerstate filters and go with AC Delco, Bosch, Mopar, Wix, K&N
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
10:05:28
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:) I did the same exact thing with my first oil change. I think next time ill loosen the oil filer enough to start it dripping and let it sit. Talk about oil everywhere. I too liked the fact that I did not have to jack the truck up to change it.
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David
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
10:56:32
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Well, after a few seconds of hot oil on my hands, I got out of the way and let it drain :-) But I have changed worse before. I owned a Chevy Cavalier which you first had to take a plastic shroud off before you could get to the filter, and a Talon whose filter was jammed high up in a very difficult area to reach.
And thanks to Mar for the recommendations. I've read in other posts here that Castrol Syntec is a favorite, so I will check that out when I change the oil next.
David
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
15:10:31
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I good suggestion when changing your oil, grab a bag of laytex gloves, keeps hot oil off your skin and doesnt burn as much. It makes cleaning your hands easy, but they do get real slick so watch out for your drain plug...
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Hot R/T
Dodge Dakota
6/20/2001
23:44:19
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I have run Valvoline 10W-30 for 20 years and have never had an oil related failure. It is cheap (compared to synthetics)and gives equal protection. The only time you need a synthetic is in extreme temperatures, and then mostly when its very, very cold synthetics flow better. For my money, change your oil regularly and use regular petroleum based oil. Illinois State Police were using semi-synthetic for a while and had failures. They went back to regular oil, no synthetics and have had far fewer engine failures.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/21/2001
13:51:58
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synthetics are better for a engine thats a fact. It makes less ware and resists buring.
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David
Dodge Dakota
6/21/2001
14:54:52
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This may sound wierd, but I had the biggest smile on my face when I picked up the Mobil synthetic oil and filter. It's been quite a while since I could go out and buy something a little special for a automobile I loved (I hate the Taurus we have. I had to trade in an Eagle Talon AWD TSi for it. That was the one and only new car I ever bought and I enjoyed babying it)...
I just wish I had more money to do the things I now would like to do with this Dakota. I definitely want to add the cold air intake, TB and a better exhaust, but add that all up (plus, since I don't trust myself to put in the TB or exhaust, the cost of having the mods installed) could run close to $1000). I suppose a little at a time will have to do.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
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Bernd posted something awhile back about synthetic motor oils that stated Castrol Syntec was not a true synthetic, unlike Mobile 1, Valvoline Synpower, Redline, etc.
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kj
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
13:09:24
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From what I understand Castrol switched their "Syntec" base oil to a petroleum product to cut costs but they feel they still have the right to call it a synthetic. I won't use it for any reason. I'm not paying $5.00 a quart when other mineral based oils are only a dollar to a buck and a half. I'll stick to Mobil 1 but I would like to try Amsoil sometime.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
13:35:13
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As i stated before. Castrol is better then mobil 1 and redline it only falls to amzoil but it was so close it was almost a tie. Castrol from what i understand has the most r&d. They pioneered the synthetic oil and it is still a synthetic oil. They have just added some parts from the petroleum oil to it because there research has told them it will perform better that way. I have used Castrol in my camaro at the drag strip and the one time i changed to amzoil after the race i pulled the dip stick and had a burning smell. I am going to stick with castrol. I dont care what they put in it. Its cheaper then amzoil, It performs almost as good (I think its harder to breakdown), And it is better then all the other oils out there.
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David
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
16:49:02
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I have to say, I find this website to be so incredibly informative because you guys really know your stuff. I'm learning a great deal by visiting here numerous times a day and reading all of your posts.
David
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Superfly
Dodge Dakota
6/25/2001
12:49:01
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Me too!!! I would be totaly lost if it were not for everyones help in here....... I LOVE YOU GUYS!!
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Chad
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
00:10:49
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I have ran Castrol Syntec in all my vehicles including my Dak and i have had only success with it. I will never switch to anything else.
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bjlindsey
Gen III
6/26/2001
03:34:37
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Are there any gotchas to switching to Castrol and can anyone verify Havoline's claims to better gas mileage? THX Guys
'01 QC 4x4 5.9L 3.92 LSD
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
12:41:14
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Havoline claims this and it is true compaired to a regular oil but compaired to the other synthetics it is the same. Havoline is a good oil but go with castrol i have put over 200000 on a 5.9 durango and it runs like new. Never had a problem.
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kj
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
22:48:59
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I think the fine print on the screen says that the new Havoline provides better mileage compared to the previous Havoline formulation.
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CrazyCanadian
Dodge Dakota
6/27/2001
15:28:32
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Don't know about the Havoline formulation, but when I switched my '01 3.9L (@15000 Km) from semi-synthetic to full synthetic (Mobil 1) I started getting about 50 extra kilometers per tank.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/24/2001
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Castrol invented synthetics? HA, think again..Mobil One did this, read your history.
Porsche, Corvette, and Ferrari ALL come with and recommend Mobil One...who recommends Castrol? NO ONE..according to Consumer Reports, (July 1988), their quality is dependent on which refinery it comes from...no thanks. Of the conventional oils, CR rated Pennzoil the best.
Me?
Mobil One and K&N filters,
(Mobil One filters are made by Champion..).
just my 2 cents
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
7/24/2001
17:09:56
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Have anyone heard of Royal Purple engine oil. I been running it for awhile, well as far as oils are it does the work, plus it is a purple color.
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bluangeldak
Dodge Dakota
7/24/2001
17:14:19
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Hey guys, i used to use mobile one 5w-30
trisynthetic in my 2000 4.7L extended cab dak,
with a purolator filter.For highway mileage at 75
mph i got only the max of 16.7 mpg. A recent trip
to tennessee, right before i switch to havoline
5w-30 with a purolator plus filter and the mileage
peaked at 18.4 mpg at the same speeds!!!! Almost 2
mpg difference??? i don't know if that is just a
weird coincidence or what but it actually makes
the truck seem to respond better. Oh the havoline
was the syntheic type too....so if that helps any
i am not sure. But if it changes i'll post more.
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Travis B.
Dodge Dakota
7/24/2001
17:29:58
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My 2 cents...
After 420,000 mi on my father's 360 powered '71 D100 we decided to retire it and salvage the "J" heads for another motor build. To my surprise the motor looked better than most 350 chebbies that I had been into at 90-150k. The lifters were shot, but the cross hatch was still very prevalent in the cylinders and the cam and all bearings looked great.
2-3000 mi. changes on Pennzoil 10w-40 conventional and FRAM or WIX (NAPA) filters for 25+ yrs. Not a paid endorsement, just some info.
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guest
Dodge Dakota
7/26/2001
20:52:53
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My baby is a '92 with a 318, (with 166,000 miles). I use Castrol GTX and a Purolator One oil filter. I tried Quaker State once and ONLY once. It was crap. I put a quart and a half back in it before I changed the oil again. Quaker State seemed like it was too thin for my engine's liking. Seemed like it didn't run as strong with the State. Castrol seems to be a thicker oil and my truck acts like it likes it, so I'll keep using it. Just my two cents!
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/26/2001
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If you want the best its simple...
Mobil One and a K & N filter...everything is just stuff..
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/26/2001
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oh yeah, don't forget...
Porsche, Ferrari, and Corvette come with and recommend Mobil One for their engines...
No who recommends any of the other oils?
NO ONE..
case closed, slam dunk..oh yeah
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Boomer
Dodge Dakota
7/27/2001
19:02:01
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Rascal,
Don't forget that AMG, the performance side of Mercedes-Benz (DC), uses nothing but Mobil 1.
I started with Valvoline Dura-Blend, switched to Pennzoil Synthetic, and now I'm on Mobil 1.
I do use Dura Lube additive in mine. It's no mind over matter thing with this either. I used it first in the 96 Sebring V-6. First trip to Fl was 26-27mpg on Dura Blend, then Dura Blend with Z-max was 27-28mpg (same with Slick 50), but with Dura Blend I was getting 30-32 at faster speeds also.
I didn't switch to Pennzoil or Mobile 1 until the Dak, and I like them much better than the blended stuff (Was with Valvoline for 6 yrs.)
Boomer
97 5.2
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ChemEngr
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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Mar, you really need to do more research and reading. Your so called "review", was published by Amsoil. (in my opinion, used to discredit Mobil 1, since Mobil 1 is their biggest threat, so I don't believe everything I read from it)
Castrol Syntec, in an attempt to raise bottom line, replaced a commonly used expensive base stock with a wax/petro blend base stock from Shell. They were sued, and only won because of no one ever standardized what "Synthetic" means or contains. Castrol argued wax blended petro, is not truely petro, therefore, it's synthetic. So, the wording won them the case. But for most car nuts, we know that is not true "synthetic" as we know it.
I used to do in house fluid testing for an automaker. Just like Consumer Reports said, most oil perform well, conventional or synthetic... But if you are one of the people who is reading this message board, you probably want the best for your car. And synthetic oils do rank much higher than conventional oils in almost all areas.
Mobil 1 is by far one of the best selling oil, because it is a very very good oil. Which is why alot of expensive cars come with it factory filled. Amsoil, is also a good oil. Pennzoil Synthetic (Penzene??) is also very good (probably surprising to most people). Unfortunately, Castrol Syntec rates very poorly in my book (and I trust my own data).
If cost is your concern, try Wal-Mart, they do a full service oil change with any synthetic brand they carry for 27.88... Bring your own oil filter of choice, and get a 1.88 or so credit. (sorry folks, walmart sells mostly FRAM filters, definitely NO NO, so it is best if you bring your own) You can't even get a decent regular oil change at a dealership with that price.
I rarely trust "studies" or "reviews" published by an oil maker. They almost always play it to their favorite by manipulate the test in some way. Remember a few years ago, Pennzoil did an nationwide ad, showing drain pan from engines filled with some top conventional motor oils sold in this country? And, Castrol came out the worst, dark and dirty as hell? And of course, Pennzoi''s pan was so clean.. Well, Castrol sued, and proved the test weren't standardized... and tests wasn't fair!
So folks, be careful what you read. I've noticed a great deal of AMSoil sales pitch on the Internet. Most of the data are several years old, and Mobil 1 has been reformulated twice since...
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David
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
08:32:17
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You know, I've heard a lot of folks here put down the Fram filter, which makes me wonder about the experience I had with my Eagle Talon TSI AWD when it had only 30,000 miles on it. I had changed the oil practically every 2000 miles and I used Kendell motor oil and a Fram filter at each change. I developed an oil leak at the mileage I indicated above and as I was driving the car to have the shop look at it, the engine blew! The cause: a leak at the oil pump ring (I think) that caused oil to leak into the timing chain housing (and my driveway as well) and caused the timing belt to slip off.
Is it possible that all those oil hcanges with Kendell and Fram may have contributed to the development of this leak?
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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My brother used DuraLube in his Olds 3.8..he took meticulous care of this car...immediately after adding DuraLube with his second oil change, the crank bearings failed and he had to rebuild the engine..that crap does not work..
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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Ok just of the top Ferraris and Porsche dont last 300000 from what i have seen there always in the shop. And i dont care what factories put in there cars NGK sparkplugs in my opinion are crap and there the most used stock. Second like i said before at the dragstrip mobil 1 burns in to a black goo but castrol syntec and amzoil dont. Why because there better. I have also seen engines with castrol last to 1 million miles so even if there is somthing better why bother spending the money. Next of mobile 1 may say were in vipers vettes and what ever but castrol is the number 1 oil in F1 racing, NASCAR, CASCAR, TOPFUEL and if you hear diffrent your wrong because i worked on at least 4 diffrent pit crews for cascar and people know people and word gets around. Next the amzoil test was a test done using measurements not consumers reports. The same consumer reports that said the dakota was a peice of junk compaired to everything japanise and gm. They can take there reports and shove it up you know were. ANd when you brand new viper comes in for its 1st oil change it gets mopar syntentic which is probably castrol or pensoil. So rascal Go put what you want in your car and moble one isnt a bad oil but its not better.
Oh ya and why put an oil made for a ferrari (as you say) in a dakota. A dakota is not a high reving sewing machine that falls apart after 50000. I wouldnt take the spark plugs from a ferrari and put them in my dakota.
And castrol invented syntetic oils when trying to break the land speed record back between 1900 and 1960 when they worked side by side the racers to make an oil that would hold up. Now castrol is the only oil to pass evey goverment and private test invented.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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Mar,
Your public school education if failing you..we can tell how stupid you are by your poor spelling and lack of knowledge...use that cheap castrol, and that bs about Mobil One turning to goo, that is a lie too, but use that Castrol. It was not Castrol trying to break the landspeed record you dummy, it was Shell...good grief...what a moron you are.
NGK plugs? Where did that come from? LOL...you dunce, get an education THEN get a life.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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So i guess shell is responsible for all the land speed records between 1900 and 1960 and i guess the big CASTROL sticker on the side of the car that broke mach 1 was just there to cover a scratch.
And i dont come on this forme to practice spelling and if i did i would have spelled landspeed LAND SPEED because its two words. And im glad i didnt come from where ever you came from because you turned out like a loser. I didnt come here to get personnel but Obviously you are in love with mobile one and I sorry i missed the wedding but its just an oil and it is a good oil thats all i ever said but i have had nothing but success with castrol and all i did was publish the report from amzoil.
Oh and you must be a pretty simple person to LOL about NGK plugs because the last time i looked they were not funny. You told me to get a life well if you find one that live and gets mad of, of oil give me a call.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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Call you? Nah, I never call losers like you..by the way, what is "cascar"?
The number one oil used by Nascar, F1, and Top Fuel is Mobil One...check the website..it says it there...read it and weep..
I feel sorry for the idiots that had you on their pit crews..get a life, LIAR, and get Mobil One!
Bye nitwit! (That's one word).
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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Sure it says mobil one but the teams are putting castrol and amzoil. Why would they set themself up for failure.
I didnt expect you to call me until you learned how to use a phone. Its still beyond me that you can manage your computer. CASCAR is a racing league that is like nascar but has 450 hp and shorter races. They also use castrol axle fluid and i know that Top fuel is AMSOIL and CASTOL (John force) so stop calling people liars and go put castrol in your truck (the only oil that can keep up with you crap driving and bull####.)
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
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So now, all the teams just SAY they are using Mobil One, but really using Castrol or Amsoil? So, YOU are saying THEY are lying...sure...bs dude, and I will be happy to call you a**hole, give my your phone number you d**k. Now, f**k off. I wouldn't run castrol in my lawnmower...but then, that is what you drive...burnout
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